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Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 5:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

To clarify, then, there are two specific Gilbert and Sullivan operettas that are relevant to this puzzle. If you don't know anything about Gilbert and Sullivan, I assure you that Googling is both allowed and encouraged, so please do continue to participate. :)
Mezzoforte (Mezzoforte)
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 3:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had you pursued some action related to the words of one of the pieces? The first piece?
Mezzoforte (Mezzoforte)
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 3:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was one of them (if so, please say which):
"Eye and No Eyes", "The Ne'er Do Weel"/"The Vagabond", "H.M.S. Pinafore", "Quite an Adventure", "A Runaway Girl", or "The Zoo"?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 3:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Crumbs. I haven't heard of most of those :) But I will try: The Mikado, Ruddigore, The Yeomen of the Guard, The Gondoliers, Iolanthe, Utopia (Limited), The Grand Duke, Thespis, Trial by Jury, The Sorcerer, The Pirates of Penzance, Patience, and Princess Ida.
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 4:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Mezzoforte (Mezzoforte) on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 03:26 pm:

Had you pursued some action related to the words of one of the pieces? no The first piece?

By Mezzoforte (Mezzoforte) on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 03:33 pm:

Was one of them (if so, please say which):
"Eye and No Eyes", "The Ne'er Do Weel"/"The Vagabond", "H.M.S. Pinafore" this was the second, "Quite an Adventure", "A Runaway Girl", or "The Zoo"?

By David Burn (Woubit) on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 03:46 pm:

Crumbs. I haven't heard of most of those But I will try: The Mikado, Ruddigore, The Yeomen of the Guard, The Gondoliers, Iolanthe, Utopia (Limited), The Grand Duke, Thespis, Trial by Jury, The Sorcerer, The Pirates of Penzance and this was the first, Patience, and Princess Ida.
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 4:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do we now need to identify the particular songs from those operettas that are relevant?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 4:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do we now need to identify the particular songs from those operettas that are relevant? yes, and FA
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 4:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is more than one song from each piece relevant? At any rate, to make a start: was any relevant song from The Pirates of Penzance sung by: Major-General Stanley? The Pirate King? Samuel? Frederic? The Sergeant of Police? Mabel? Edith? Kate? Ruth? The Chorus of Pirates? The Chorus of Policemen? The Chorus of Major-General Stanley's daughters?

Was any relevant song from MHS Pinafore sung by: The Right Honourable Sir Joseph Porter KCB? Captain Corcoran? Ralph Rackstraw? Dick Deadeye? Bill Bobstay? Bob Becket? Tom Tucker? The Sergeant of Marines? Josephine? Cousin Hebe? Little Buttercup? The Chorus of Sailors, Marines etc? The Chorus of the First Lord's sisters and his cousins (whom he reckons up by dozens) and his aunts?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 5:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is more than one song from each piece relevant? no At any rate, to make a start: was any relevant song from The Pirates of Penzance sung by: Major-General Stanley? this, primarily The Pirate King? Samuel? Frederic? The Sergeant of Police? Mabel? Edith? Kate? Ruth? The Chorus of Pirates? The Chorus of Policemen? The Chorus of Major-General Stanley's daughters?

Was any relevant song from HMS Pinafore sung by: The Right Honourable Sir Joseph Porter KCB? Captain Corcoran? Ralph Rackstraw? Dick Deadeye? Bill Bobstay? Bob Becket? Tom Tucker? The Sergeant of Marines? Josephine? Cousin Hebe? Little Buttercup? The Chorus of Sailors, Marines etc? The Chorus of the First Lord's sisters and his cousins (whom he reckons up by dozens) and his aunts? none of these. Or, perhaps, all of them, depending on your point of view
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 5:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the overture to either of these operettas relevant? Is the reference to being able to whistle all the airs from that infernal nonsense "Pinafore" important? (is it relevant that Pinafore had to be composed before Pirates?)
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 5:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the overture to either of these operettas relevant? no Is the reference to being able to whistle all the airs from that infernal nonsense "Pinafore" important? yes indeed (is it relevant that Pinafore had to be composed before Pirates?) not especially
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 5:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do we now know all we need to know about the Gilbert and Sullivan side of things?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 5:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do we now know all we need to know about the Gilbert and Sullivan side of things? well, you do, but not all of the relevant Gilbert-and-Sullivan-related information has been established for the record.
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 5:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it necessary to establish any more about Major-General Stanley's song? About any of the airs from HMS Pinafore?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 5:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it necessary to establish any more about Major-General Stanley's song? no About any of the airs from HMS Pinafore? no

******** RECAP ********

On a rather long drive recently, my brother and I were listening to music. First, we listened to "The Pirates of Penzance", one of the songs of which contains the line "and whistle all the airs from that infernal nonsense Pinafore." This was a reference to "HMS Pinafore", another operetta by Gilbert and Sullivan, which we listened to later. Because we listened to these operettas in this order, something Puzzling happened.
L. Jacobs (Tweek)
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 6:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Your decision to listen to "HMS Pinafore" was a direct result of the reference? Could it be assumed that, had the operettas been listened to in the opposite order, ... the same operettas would have been listened to?

Are there references to "Pirates of Penzance" in "HMS Pinafore"?

Were other actions taken as a result of listening to the operettas, beyond the discussion of them? Actions that would have been different for the opposite order?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 6:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Your decision to listen to "HMS Pinafore" was a direct result of the reference? no Could it be assumed that, had the operettas been listened to in the opposite order, ... the same operettas would have been listened to? er...if we had listened to "Pinafore" and then "Penzance", we certainly would have listened to the same operettas as if we had listened to "Penzance" and then "Pinafore". Not sure what you're getting at here.

Are there references to "Pirates of Penzance" in "HMS Pinafore"? no

Were other actions taken as a result of listening to the operettas, beyond the discussion of them? no Actions that would have been different for the opposite order? n/a
Mezzoforte (Mezzoforte)
Posted on Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 1:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you guys whistle?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 2:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you guys whistle? no - we know better :)
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 12:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When you say "something Puzzling happened", do you mean that some thought occurred to you? to your brother? that either of you made some comment? asked some question? or was there some extraneous event that was Puzzling?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 3:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When you say "something Puzzling happened", do you mean that some thought occurred to you? this, surprisingly enough, was involved to your brother? as was this that either of you made some comment? and this asked some question? and this or was there some extraneous event that was Puzzling? but not this
Mezzoforte (Mezzoforte)
Posted on Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 2:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Some inconsistency between the two songs' lyrics?