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Ryan Davies (Onemundanesoul)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2004 - 4:30 pm: |       |
Was this person an appointed leader?
Elected?
Born into the job?
Was the plane was carrying something this person needed?
Was it weapons of some kind?
Something used to help? Or hurt?
Anyone of relevance aboard the plane?
Was this leader/elder responsible for dividing up the water? For some how helping the plane arrive safely?
Did this person die before the rest of the people? At the same time? After?
Could the village effectively govern itself without this person? |
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2004 - 5:20 pm: | |
Was this person an appointed leader?
Elected?
Born into the job? He wouldn't be considered a 'leader', but he would be deemed important
Was the plane was carrying something this person needed? YES
Was it weapons of some kind? No
Something used to help? In a way, yes
Or hurt? No
Anyone of relevance aboard the plane? No - the assumption is the only person on the plane was the pilot
Was this leader/elder responsible for dividing up the water? YES
For some how helping the plane arrive safely? No
Did this person die before the rest of the people? Yes
At the same time? No
After? No - in fact, if he hadn't died we can all assume that most or all of the villagers would have survived
Could the village effectively govern itself without this person? Yes |
Ryan Davies (Onemundanesoul)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2004 - 5:38 pm: | |
Aha, so, this person was responsible for dividing the water up effectively amongst the people, and with him alive, the water would have been divided up more efficiently, and most or all people would have lived. Correct?
So if the plane wasn't carrying medicine or food...let's see...what was the plane bringing him...
Was it some kind of first aid?
Some sort of clothing or blankets?
Any kind of paperwork?
Maps or blueprints?
Some sort of equipment?
If so, was this equipment life-sustaining?
Or used for calculation or measurement of some kind?
Was it insulin?
Was the man a magician or shaman of some sort? |
Amber Davis (Amberdavis522)
| | Posted on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 2:48 pm: | |
Was there a fire involved? |
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
| | Posted on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 3:17 pm: | |
Aha, so, this person was responsible for dividing the water up effectively amongst the people, and with him alive, the water would have been divided up more efficiently, and most or all people would have lived. Correct? YES
So if the plane wasn't carrying medicine or food...let's see...what was the plane bringing him...
Was it some kind of first aid?
Some sort of clothing or blankets?
Any kind of paperwork?
Maps or blueprints?
Some sort of equipment? See below
If so, was this equipment life-sustaining?
Or used for calculation or measurement of some kind?
Was it insulin? The plane could have been carrying any of these items, but the relevant item could be classified loosely as 'equipment'
Was the man a magician or shaman of some sort?
No, actually he would be considered almost an opposite of this kind of person
Was there a fire involved? Not relevant |
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
| | Posted on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 3:20 pm: | |
NOTE: The plane was probably carrying several medical/clothing/other supplies, but the relevant piece of 'equipment' was all that would have made a difference with the water supply |
Ryan Davies (Onemundanesoul)
| | Posted on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 3:46 pm: | |
Was he a priest or religious leader of some kind?
Was this 'equipment' bigger than a bread basket?
Was it used directly to treat the water in any way? Was it used to produce water in any way? |
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
| | Posted on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 3:52 pm: | |
Was he a priest or religious leader of some kind? YES - specifically a missionary
Was this 'equipment' bigger than a bread basket? No, much smaller
Was it used directly to treat the water in any way? No
Was it used to produce water in any way? No |
Ryan Davies (Onemundanesoul)
| | Posted on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 4:00 pm: | |
Was the equipment in any way related to his religion? A Bible? Or cross?
Did he use the equipment to decide who would receive water?
Would believers have received preferential treatment? |
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
| | Posted on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 4:23 pm: | |
Was the equipment in any way related to his religion? A Bible? Or cross? Not related at all to religion
Did he use the equipment to decide who would receive water? No
Would believers have received preferential treatment? No |
Ryan Davies (Onemundanesoul)
| | Posted on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 4:35 pm: | |
I'm stumped for now. Give me a bit to think. |
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
| | Posted on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 5:13 pm: | |
You're on a roll, so here's another recap:
The missionary at the remote village died, and a plane bringing something important (and very small) to him crashed and never made it to the village. The relevant item has nothing to do with water purification or distribution.
Key things discovered: Time era is relevant, sometime between 1900-2000 |
Ryan Davies (Onemundanesoul)
| | Posted on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 5:48 pm: | |
Would finding out a more specific time frame be of relevance? Or simply 20th century?
Was the equipment a watch? Anything electronic? Mechanical? A compass?
Was the equipment used to hold the water in some way? Like a canteen? Cups? Buckets?
Was the water from a well? Did the people have no way to retrieve it? |
Ryan Davies (Onemundanesoul)
| | Posted on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 5:51 pm: | |
Was the equipment small enough to hold in one's hand? Small enough to hold between thumb and forefinger? Was the equipment a pair of eyeglasses or vision-related in any way? Somehow related to hearing? Smell? Taste? |
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
| | Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 5:01 pm: | |
Would finding out a more specific time frame be of relevance? Yes
Or simply 20th century? More specific
Was the equipment a watch? NO, BUT...(you're close and on the right track)
Anything electronic? Hmmm...possibly classified this way. It can be purchased in an electronics store, if that helps
Mechanical? A compass? No to both
Was the equipment used to hold the water in some way? No
Like a canteen? Cups? Buckets? Nothing like this
Was the water from a well? Irrelevant
Did the people have no way to retrieve it? The people were dependant on clean water from an outside source
Was the equipment small enough to hold in one's hand? YES
Small enough to hold between thumb and forefinger? YES
Was the equipment a pair of eyeglasses or vision-related in any way? No
Somehow related to hearing? Smell? Taste? None of these |
(Stuccosalt)
| | Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 5:31 pm: | |
battery? |
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
| | Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 9:45 pm: | |
battery? YES |
Jens Weber (Sundowner)
| | Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 11:30 pm: | |
Was the battery intended to be used in a mobile or satellite phone? in a radio? a calculator? any medical device?
Did the missionary die because he did not get the battery?
Were the people in the village unable to access the water without the missionary? able to access it but unable to distribute it in a fair way? if so: because lack of knowledge? was the distribution method a secret of the missionary?
did the distribution method involve calculations? random events (like casting dice)? |
Jens Weber (Sundowner)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 12:16 am: | |
Exodus 17:2-7 relevant? |
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:10 pm: | |
Was the battery intended to be used in a mobile or satellite phone? No, but good question - keep in mind that the time era is relevant, and this is taking place in the 20th century - see note below)
in a radio? a calculator? No
any medical device? No
Did the missionary die because he did not get the battery? No - good q. The missionary's cause of death is not relevant
Were the people in the village unable to access the water without the missionary? No
able to access it but unable to distribute it in a fair way? YES
if so: because lack of knowledge? YES
was the distribution method a secret of the missionary? Not really a 'secret', but he was the only one who could do it for a time...good question and key to the solution
did the distribution method involve calculations? YES, of a sort
random events (like casting dice)? No
Exodus 17:2-7 relevant? To the puzzle? No. To life? Absolutely.
NOTE: The object for which the battery was needed has been mentioned in Onemundanesoul's post on Dec. 10th at 5:48 |
Ryan Davies (Onemundanesoul)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 5:25 pm: | |
Was it a watch battery?
If so, was the function that the missionary needed actually related to knowing what time it was? Or was it another function of the watch? Such as a stopwatch function? |
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 7:59 pm: | |
Was it a watch battery? YES
If so, was the function that the missionary needed actually related to knowing what time it was? No
Or was it another function of the watch? Yes-ish,keep reading...
Such as a stopwatch function? Not this exactly - keep in mind that time era is relevant - this is the right kind of idea, though, just explore a bit more and you'll have it! |
Jens Weber (Sundowner)
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 4:44 pm: | |
Did he use the watch as a compass? |
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 5:19 pm: | |
Did he use the watch as a compass? No - the suggestion of 'stopwatch' is almost correct, in fact it could be considered accurate considering the time in which the events are occuring |
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 3:01 pm: | |
Since this one is growing stale and we're almost at the solution, I'm posting the spoiler below.
Good work!
SPOILER
The key was that the era was relevant. The puzzle is set in the 1960's, and the missionary was waiting on a watch battery for his analog watch. He had been rationing water to the villagers based on time - since he was serving water out to everyone in their own containers, he knew how long the current supply would last if he served out equal portions. Rather than measure by quantity, he would put water into containers for a fixed time, say a few seconds. He was the only one who understood this for a time, then he fell ill and begun trying to teach others. He saw that the watch was slowing and had requested a battery to be delivered with the next plane, which crashed. The missionary died, and the existing water supply ran out because the watch slowed and finally stopped before another plane could arrived, and no villager fully understood the rationing plan. Since this was before GPS, cell phones, etc., the fact that all this happened in a remote village added to the tragedy. |
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