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Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2005 - 9:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, good, there go the very last of my hunches. :)
Does...it...involve...seeing an image? a building? A religious symbol/item?
Do the people belong to two different groups?
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2005 - 9:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, good, there go the very last of my hunches. Don't despair, just pry on
Does...it...involve...seeing yes an image? no a building? no A religious symbol/item? no/no
Do the people belong to two different groups? in a very broad and general sense of this word, you may say so;

HINT: If I were you, I would not concentrate so much on the religion: there is only one important aspect of it which is relevant
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2005 - 11:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the prying simply to see if something exists? To find out information about it? Does it involve seeing a particular item? A person? A place?
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2005 - 11:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the prying simply to see if something exists? no To find out information about it? YES! Does it involve seeing a particular item? A person? this one A place?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2005 - 11:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, good. A definite yes. Are all the other people involved in finding out the thing about the person?
Is the person famous? Someone they all know? Does the person not want to share the information?
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2005 - 11:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, good. A definite yes. Are all the other people involved in finding out the thing about the person? which one? and FA
Is the person famous? which one do you mean? Someone they all know? Does the person not want to share the information? and FA again
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2005 - 11:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am a bit lost here. Is the notion that there is some piece of information to be unearthed? and that in order to do this, one might pry, or one might pray? and that whereas prayer might in theory work, because some religious aspect is involved, prying would certainly work? and that some famous person who lived in the early 1700s is involved?
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 12:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am a bit lost here. OK, I'll do my best to help you out

Is the notion that there is some piece of information to be unearthed? yes, and you've hit the nail almost exactly on the head; and that in order to do this, one might pry, yes, it is even a must or one might pray this would be useless in itself but can be useful in another way which is yet to be found and that whereas prayer might in theory work no, because some religious aspect is involved no, prying would certainly work ? yes and that some famous person who lived in the early 1700s is involved I don't think any of the persons involved are very famous today, but in their time they were not completely unknown. It would be no point trying to find their exact identity of any of the persons, concentrate rather on more general info.
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 9:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Perhaps it is time for a

RECAP

The puzzle is set in the beginning of the 18th century (1714, to be more precise), but the general period is relevant more than the exact date, About 22 persons are somehow involved, who can be, in a very broad sense, categorised into two different groups. They were probably Catholics, which is slightly relevant.

One or more of the above persons was/were prying, in the sense of investigating, something to find some kind of information about something. This investigation involved seeing a person/s (sorry Elliot, I perhaps should have indicated a slight FA when you asked whether it involved seeing a particular person) out of the 22, with yesishly invading their privacy. It might possibly, but not necessarily, have involved opening something.

The investigation led to much better results than if the person/s had prayed instead; praying, however, also played its role in quite a specific way.

None of the persons are famous today but in their time, they were not completely unknown. Their exact identity is not so important.
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 9:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did this happen in England? Or Scotland?
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 9:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did this happen in England? Or Scotland? neither
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 10:18 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does it matter where it happened? If so, in which country did it take place?
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 10:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does it matter where it happened? If so, in which country did it take place? It happened in France, but it does not matter so much. France was perhaps the most suitable country for this to happen, but it might well have happened anywhere in the Western or Central Europe
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 10:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are these different groups of people two different political camps? two different nationalities? two different races? two different creeds? divided according to their opinion on a particular matter?

This "prying": is "espionage" an alternative term?
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 11:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are these different groups of people two different political camps? two different nationalities? two different races? two different creeds? no or irrelevant to these divided according to their opinion on a particular matter ?very difficult question! If you refer to the very fact which divides them in two different groups, the answer would be "no", although different opinions certainly had an important role in the whole issue. - I know how ambiguous this may seem but it definitely deserves deeper exploration.

This "prying": is "espionage" an alternative term? no, just "trying to find a certain information"
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 11:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they involved in some scientific investigation? some philosophical investigation?
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 11:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they involved in some scientific investigation? some philosophical investigation? neither, and FA
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 1:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was some crime being investigated?
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 2:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was some crime being investigated? no
Rose (Tackybritish)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 9:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the persons who are prying are they trying to figure out what the one is praying about?
Does it have anything to do with heresy?
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 10:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the persons who are prying are they trying to figure out what the one is praying about? no, and two FAs
Does it have anything to do with heresy? nothing at all
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 10:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are persons prying?