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buzz visconti (Visconti)
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 7:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

hot shot is an indirect clue for footware, which may have been rude to someone. Hmm. was he a soccer player? sports relevant here?

was he a crossdresser?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 2:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He was wearing...Sneakers? Yes
Hightops? Could have been, but not relevant
Is it a safety thing? No
He was fired on the same day that the wore the "footwear"? No - good question
The only relevant motive for him being fired was this "footwear", correct? No, there is a different motive
hot shot is an indirect clue for footware, which may have been rude to someone. Hmm. was he a soccer player? sports relevant here? No, not on the right track
was he a crossdresser? No
buzz visconti (Visconti)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 3:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did he step in something?
did he kick something?

color of his sneakers relevant?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 3:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did he step in something? Yes, so to speak
did he kick something? No
color of his sneakers relevant? Yes but explore
buzz visconti (Visconti)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 6:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did he step into something tangible? mud? poop? onto something? a cat? someone else?

are the sneakers a solid color? red? orange? yellow? green? blue? purple?

pattern? striped?

was he smoking and stepped on a cigarette?
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 6:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so the chronology is:
(1) He was hired. He was there a few weeks...
(2) He came in on a Saturday...
(3) Some time later, he wore sneakers.
(4) Some time later, he was fired.

From (2) to (3) was a day? a few days?
From (3) to (4) was a day? a few days?
It was against company policy to wear sneakers at work?
Did he only wear them to work once? more than once? Did he only get caught once?
Did someone hold his rudeness against him and use the sneaker incident as an excuse to get him fired?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 7:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did he step into something tangible? mud? poop? onto something? a cat? someone else? Read on...
are the sneakers a solid color? red? orange? yellow? green? blue? purple? The overall color of the sneakers is not relevant
pattern? striped? Again, not relevant
was he smoking and stepped on a cigarette? YES

so the chronology is:
(1) He was hired. He was there a few weeks...Yes
(2) He came in on a Saturday...Yes
(3) Some time later No, he wore sneakers. Yes
(4) Some time later, he was fired. Yes

From (2) to (3) was a day? a few days? 2 and 3 happened on the same day
From (3) to (4) was a day? a few days? A few days
It was against company policy to wear sneakers at work? No, this wasn't a problem
Did he only wear them to work once? Yes, safe assumption
more than once? Doesn't matter, but probably not
Did he only get caught once? YES - good q
Did someone hold his rudeness FAagainst him and use the sneaker incident as an excuse to get him fired? No

Good q's here, close to the solution
buzz visconti (Visconti)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 7:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the place he work have a smoking lounge? Is smoking reason enough to be fired?

Was it a regular cigarette? brand relevant? was he smoking marijuna?

could his have likely happened on Saturday, February 6th, 2005 or Saturday, January 16th, 2005?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 9:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the place he work have a smoking lounge? No, definitely not
Is smoking reason enough to be fired? YES
Was it a regular cigarette? Yesbrand relevant? No
was he smoking marijuna? No

could his have likely happened on Saturday, February 6th, 2005 or Saturday, January 16th, 2005? It could have happened any time, date is totally irrelevant
buzz visconti (Visconti)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 9:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

tsk tsk tsk, smoking where they shouldnt be.

was he smoking outside? inside?

i'm guessing he was smoking outside, put the cigarette out with his shoe, it followed him inside. so far correct? feel free to drop a "no" in there.

he works at:
medical firm?
healthcare firm?
anti-smoking firm?
hospital?
on the right track?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 9:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

With different footwear, would he not have been fired? Were his sneakers no good in putting out the cigarette? Did they even catch fire?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 10:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was he smoking outside? Yes
inside? Possibly this too

i'm guessing he was smoking outside, put the cigarette out with his shoe This is all correct
it followed him inside. Hmm...no to this
so far correct? All but that last part

he works at:
medical firm?
healthcare firm?
anti-smoking firm?
hospital?
on the right track? The type of company is not relevant

With different footwear, would he not have been fired? Most likely not
Were his sneakers no good in putting out the cigarette? No, they worked adequately
Did they even catch fire? No
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 10:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Quick recap:

Jeff works at a place where smoking is not allowed, and employees can be fired if they do not comply with this rule.

Jeff came into work on a Saturday wearing sneakers, which he had used at one time to snuff out cigarettes.

Jeff was not fired that day, he was fired a few days later.

So what were the grounds for firing him?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 10:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

*****BLOOPER*****
was he smoking outside? Yes
inside? Possibly this too

The answer to the second question, 'inside', should be a "YES, definitely."

Sorry about that!
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 10:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did his sneakers give away he was smoking? Did the ash stuck to the sneakers do something bad?
buzz visconti (Visconti)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 10:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

slightly confused... we are to figure out the "grounds for firing him", and you answered "Is smoking reason enough to be fired? YES ", and then you answered that he was "yes, definetly" smoking inside.

isn't this solved?
are we to determine how the bosses found out he was smoking? do we need to figure out where he worked?
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 12:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was anyone else besides Jeff at the company/office that Saturday? Did someone see him smoking? Was he caught on surveillance cameras smoking?
If he had been wearing another type of shoe, would he still have put out the cigarette(s) with his shoes?
Did he snuff out any cigarettes inside the building?
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 3:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Jeff seen by someone that Saturday who couldn't tell it was him, but could see his shoes? And a few days later, they saw him in those shoes, and reported him?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 3:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did his sneakers give away he was smoking? Yes
Did the ash stuck to the sneakers do something bad? No, except give away the fact that Jeff had smoked
slightly confused... we are to figure out the "grounds for firing him", and you answered "Is smoking reason enough to be fired? YES ", and then you answered that he was "yes, definetly" smoking inside.

isn't this solved? Almost
are we to determine how the bosses found out he was smoking? Yes, this is the 'missing link'
do we need to figure out where he worked? No

Was anyone else besides Jeff at the company/office that Saturday? The only other relevant person that was there was Jeff's boss
Did someone see him smoking? Yes - at some point (part of the missing link)
Was he caught on surveillance cameras smoking? No, but you're on the right track, it was more direct than this
If he had been wearing another type of shoe, would he still have put out the cigarette(s) with his shoes? Yes
Did he snuff out any cigarettes inside the building? No

Was Jeff seen by someone that Saturday Yes...
who couldn't tell it was him No, they knew very well it was him
but could see his shoes? YES
And a few days later, they saw him Yes
in those shoes No, not in those shoes
and reported him? No, the person who saw him wouldn't have had any need to report him, because...
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 3:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think all we need is for someone to add one final detail and put everything in chronological order...any takers?
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 4:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Footprints? Ciggie butt stuck in his treads? Was the cigaret squished out by someone wearing shoes just like his? Was he the only one with shoes just like his? Or with those shoes who was at work at the time of the Smoking Incident?
Jens Weber (Sundowner)
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 4:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So his boss saw him smoking that Saturday? Is there a reason why he did not immediately fire him? Did he first want him to finish the deal with the new customer? so he pretended not to have seen him? and, therefore, could not fire him later on grounds of "caught in the act"? so the boss set up some evidence involving sneakers? perhaps a cigarette butt with sneaker footprints on it?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 4:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Footprints? No
Ciggie butt stuck in his treads? No, but close
Was the cigaret squished out by someone wearing shoes just like his? No
Was he the only one with shoes just like his? Irrelevant
Or with those shoes who was at work Yes
at the time of the Smoking Incident? No, he didn't have the shoes on at the time of the smoking incident, but the shoes tipped the boss off about something (keep reading)

So his boss saw him smoking YES
that Saturday? No, the boss did not actually see Jeff smoking that Saturday
Is there a reason why he did not immediately fire him? Yes, see the last answer
Did he first want him to finish the deal with the new customer? No, N/A
so he pretended not to have seen him? N/A
and, therefore, could not fire him later on grounds of "caught in the act"? Not the case, but "caught in the act" is exactly what happened to Jeff
so the boss set up some evidence involving sneakers? No
perhaps a cigarette butt with sneaker footprints on it? No
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 6:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did his boss see Jeff smoking somewhere other than at work? such as during lunch at a restaurant? or gym? or something?
Did anyone know that Jeff was a smoker before that Saturday? Did someone other than the boss see Jeff smoking that Saturday?

This is kind of a summary and a stab at the complete story, assuming I got some of the above correct...

Jeff smoked both inside and outside the building Saturday. Jeff's boss saw him there that day, but didn't see him smoking that day, though. The boss remembered the sneakers Jeff wore that day.
A few days later, Jeff's boss noticed the office started to smell like smoke. That day, he saw Jim outside the office (at lunch, or at a gym, or something) smoking.
The boss went to Jeff's office, and noticed that there was ash on the carpet that Jeff had tracked in on Saturday from his sneakers.
That was the grounds for firing him.

How's that? 90%? 99%? 100%?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 7:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did his boss see Jeff smoking somewhere other than at work? No
such as during lunch at a restaurant? or gym? or something? N/A
Did anyone know that Jeff was a smoker before that Saturday? NO, and it really only mattered what one certain person knew about Jeff anyway
Did someone other than the boss see Jeff smoking that Saturday? No

This is kind of a summary and a stab at the complete story, assuming I got some of the above correct...

Jeff smoked both inside and outside the building Correct
Saturday. No, he didn't smoke Saturday, but his boss got tipped off that Jeff did smoke
Jeff's boss saw him there that day, but didn't see him smoking that day, though. Right
The boss remembered the sneakers Jeff wore that day. Yes
A few days later, Jeff's boss noticed the office started to smell like smoke. He had already noticed this
That day, he saw Jim Yes
outside the office NO
(at lunch, or at a gym, or something)
smoking. Yes
The boss went to Jeff's office, and noticed that there was ash on the carpet that Jeff had tracked in on Saturday from his sneakers. No
That was the grounds for firing him. Not quite, but very close

How's that? 90%? 99%? 100%? I'd say about 95% - the only thing really left to put together is the connection between Jeff working on Saturday in sneakers and getting fired a few days later. Consider the following discoveries:

1. Prior to Saturday, no one at work knew Jeff smoked
2. Smoking at work was grounds for getting fired
3. Someone very relevant saw Jeff smoking in the building, although not on Saturday
4. On Saturday, Jeff's boss saw something about Jeff's shoes that tipped him off that Jeff smoked
5. Jeff hadn't tracked anything onto the floor in the building

We are so close I'll spoil soon unless the final tidbit is revealed
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 8:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were employees allowed to wear sneakers only on Saturday? Did Jeff's boss see cigarette ash on his sneakers on Saturday? While Jeff took care to clean his other pair of shoes everyday, he forgot about the sneakers?
And this gave the boss a hint that Jeff might be smoking; so he tracked Jeff and caught him red handed?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 8:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were employees allowed to wear sneakers only on Saturday? Doesn't matter
Did Jeff's boss see cigarette ash on his sneakers on Saturday? YES
While Jeff took care to clean his other pair of shoes everyday, he forgot about the sneakers? Possibly, but doesn't matter

******SPOILER******
And this gave the boss a hint that Jeff might be smoking; so he tracked Jeff and caught him red handed? EXACTLY!

The very small clue given in the puzzle was, in fact, the reference to Jeff as a "hot-shot". While at work Saturday, Jeff was kicked back at his desk with his feet propped up. Jeff's boss happened to stop by and wanted to speak to Jeff. He could plainly see the bottoms of Jeff's sneakers, which had burn marks on them from stepping on cigarettes which he had discarded. The boss knew that someone in his company had been breaking the No Smoking policy, but he didn't even know Jeff was a smoker. The boss decided to keep track of Jeff and work, and only a few days later caught him sneaking a few puffs in the restroom. That evidence led to Jeff's dismissal despite excellent sales performance.

Good work!
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 8:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Incidentally, I developed the idea for this puzzle after reading an interesting piece of trivia - in the movie "The Secret of My Success" with Michael J. Fox, there are scenes where the bottoms of his sneakers are shown, and they exhibit burn marks from snuffing out cigarettes. Mr. Fox was, at the time, a heavy smoker.
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 9:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok. I think I got it now. Good story.
I have asthma, and I once had a doctor who told me (jokingly) that he'd kill me if I ever smoked. I can't say it's ever had much of an appeal to me.
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 4:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There is also a joke I saw in Mad magazine where a man is buying a cigarette from a talking vending machine. The machine says, "Why are you committing suicide the slow and painful way? Why not just jump in front of a bus and get it over with!"

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