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miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 12:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Julius a magician? And Anthony his helper? Was any of them a magician? No to all. Good try.
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 12:45 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does anyone's 'profession' involve cheating people? If so, who?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 12:45 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were there any identical twins involved here?

Was there supposed to be some sort of body switch?

Was the crime:
Murder?
Fraud?
Something else?
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 2:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does anyone's 'profession' involve cheating people? If so, who? Anthony and Brutus-- No. Julius and Cassius-- possibly, it could have.

Were there any identical twins involved here? No, and no triplets, quadruplets, etc.

Was there supposed to be some sort of body switch? No

Was the crime:
Murder? No
Fraud? No
Something else? Yes
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 2:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BLOOPER
According to dictionary.com, fraud is "A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain."
Depending on how you define "gain", this could be considered fraud, I suppose.
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 2:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the gain
- monetary?
- mental satisfaction?
- physical well-being?
- a tangible object?
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 3:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the gain
- monetary?
- mental satisfaction?
- physical well-being?
- a tangible object? No, to all. Of these, mental satisfaction would be the closest.
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 1:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were Julius and Cassius criminals? Soldiers? Were they imprisoned before this puzzle takes place?
Jailbreak relevant? Escaping or hiding from anyone relevant?
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 4:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were Julius and Cassius criminals? YES! Soldiers? No Were they imprisoned before this puzzle takes place? YES!
Jailbreak relevant? YES! Escaping or hiding from anyone relevant? No, just from the prison.

Very good questions.
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 11:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

We're really very close. Just need to tie all these loose pieces together, and add a couple of details.
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Monday, February 14, 2005 - 10:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So was Julius removed from prison in a coffin with a feigned death?

Was Anthony his stooge on the outside who was supposed to release Julius from the coffin?
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Monday, February 14, 2005 - 10:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So was Julius removed from prison in a coffin with a feigned death? Very, very close, but no cigar yet.

Was Anthony his stooge on the outside who was supposed to release Julius from the coffin? partial FA, but Yes, Anthony was supposed to release Julius from the coffin.

HINT: Anthony wasn't "on the outside". His profession is relevant.
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 7:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Anthony a doctor? Or a prison warden? Who had been tipped to help Julius escape from the prison?
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 9:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Anthony a doctor? No Or a prison warden? No Who had been tipped to help Julius escape from the prison? Nope.

I've got another hint ready, if we get stuck. I think this is the final linchpin. We're so close.
Oneida (Theoneida)
Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 7:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cassius died while in prison?
Julius decided to escape from prison by hiding in the coffin with Cassius?
Then Anthony died?
And Anthony, not Cassius, is in the coffin in which Julius hides?
But Julius thinks he's in the coffin with Cassius?

Does Julius see Anthony by using a flashlight (since they're in a coffin)?
Was Anthony also a prisoner?
Did Anthony work at the prison?

Was the noise that prevented Brutus from hearing Julius' screams caused by the dirt being shoveled into the grave?

Was Anthony a mortician?
If so, did Julius arrange for Anthony to free him after the coffin was delivered to the mortuary?
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 9:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cassius died while in prison? Yes
Julius decided to escape from prison by hiding in the coffin with Cassius? Yes
Then Anthony died? Yes
And Anthony, not Cassius, is in the coffin in which Julius hides? Yes
But Julius thinks he's in the coffin with Cassius? Yes

Does Julius see Anthony by using a flashlight (since they're in a coffin)? No, but close (it was a match).
Was Anthony also a prisoner? No
Did Anthony work at the prison? Yes

Was the noise that prevented Brutus from hearing Julius' screams caused by the dirt being shoveled into the grave? Yes

Was Anthony a mortician? YES!! Very good question.
If so, did Julius arrange for Anthony to free him after the coffin was delivered to the mortuary? No, not then-- later.

I think we've got enough details for a...
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 9:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

**********SPOILER**********

He came. He saw. He freaked out. He died.

Julius is an inmate in a prison. He would like to escape. He has found a way to break out of his cell, but he is unable to escape the prison grounds on his own.

Anthony is a mortician for the prison. The prison has a graveyard nearby, outside the prison grounds. When an inmate dies, it is Anthony's responsibility to bury him. The body is brought to his work room in the prison, and he takes the coffin out to bury it the next day. He has an assistant, Brutus, who helps him in this task often.

Julius manages to convince Anthony to help him escape. The plan is for Julius to sneak into the casket of a dead inmate the night before he is to be buried. Then, when Anthony takes the casket outside the prison grounds the next day, he will open the casket and let Julius go free before he buries it.

They discuss the probability of Brutus being there to help, and Anthony assures Julius that he will find some reason to send Brutus back into the prison, if only for a few minutes, so that he will have no knowledge of Julius's escape.

So, when one of the other inmates (Cassius) dies, Julius talks to Anthony, and they plan the escape the next day. Julius returns to his cell.

That night, Julius quietly escapes from his cell, sneaks into Anthony's work room by cover of darkness, and gets into a casket. He sees the body in the casket, but it's too dark to see anything else.

The next morning, the casket is taken out to the graveyard. As the casket is lowered into the ground, Julius wonders what is going on. Unable to see anything, he reasons that Anthony is going through the motions, still needing to get Brutus to leave.

As he hears dirt being poured over the coffin, Julius is suddenly very panicked and scared. He screams, but can't be heard through the noise and volume of dirt being poured over him, and the fact that his screams are muffled by the coffin.

He suddenly remembers that he has a matchbook in his pocket (for his cigarettes), and in the tight confines of the coffin, he manages to light one. He is shocked and horrified to see, not Cassius, but Anthony!

(Anthony died the previous day of a massive heart attack, some time after talking to Julius.)

Brutus assumed all of Anthony's responsibilities-- his first being to bury Anthony, (and Cassius as well). Brutus took both coffins outside the prison grounds together, unaware that Julius was in one of them.

By now, it's too late-- Julius is buried alive. He eventually dies of suffocation.
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 9:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good job Alizon, Arjun, Simon, and Oneida for the final piece of the puzzle.

I heard this as a LP originally, which I've remembered for a long time, which was why I thought it might be a classic. It's probably one of my all time favorites. (I wish I could remember when and where I heard it). When I heard it, the opening was something like "He struck a match, and what he saw literally scared him to death." I took a few details out of that opening, and reworded it to make it more interesting.
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 7:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Very nice story Miroac. Thanks for the puzzle!
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 3:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks. Glad you liked it.
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 8:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A very good macabre start to your puzzle making career! :-)
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 4:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Simon. But it is one I myself heard somewhere, so it's not original. I'm sure I embellished it a bit, though.

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