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Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 7:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Delilah involved in training the lion, or Quiana, or both? Quiana was, YES
Is the method Quiana used to kill Delilah relevant? no strangulation? stabbing? but it was this was this method intended to look like teeth marks? yes claw marks?
Did the lion somehow know or distinguish between people based on the size of their feet? no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 8:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So Quiana wanted people to think she (Quiana) was dead?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 8:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

no
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 10:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were there any relevant footprints which were intended to appear as Delilah's?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 10:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, the Lion had not touched Delilah at all?
But Quiana tried to make it look like the Lion had killed her?

The fact that Delilah had small feet gave away the fact that the Lion did not kill her?

Was the Lion a fussy eater in that he he had a voracious appetite for people with size 10's and above but felt a little anorexic at the thought of size 5's and below?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 11:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were there any relevant footprints which were intended to appear as Delilah's? no

By Simon Downham (Beroean) on Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 10:44 pm:

So, the Lion had not touched Delilah at all? correct
But Quiana tried to make it look like the Lion had killed her? ditto

The fact that Delilah had small feet gave away the fact that the Lion did not kill her? no

Was the Lion a fussy eater in that he he had a voracious appetite for people with size 10's and above but felt a little anorexic at the thought of size 5's and below? no
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 11:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are there any Oriental people involved in this story?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 11:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The fact that Delilah had small feet gave away the fact that she had been murdered?

Are footprints relevant?

Is there anything else about the cage that's relevant?
Anything else about Delilah relevant?
Anything else about the Lion?
Anything else about the environment relevant?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 11:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The fact that Delilah had small feet gave away the fact that she had been murdered? no, but that fact coupled with another told the detective that Q was the murderer

Are footprints relevant? not at all

Is there anything else about the cage that's relevant? no
Anything else about Delilah relevant? nope
Anything else about the Lion? nope
Anything else about the environment relevant? no

By David Burn (Woubit) on Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 11:07 pm:

Are there any Oriental people involved in this story? no, nice try
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 12:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Anything else about Q relevant?
Anything else about the Lion relevant?
Anything else about anything relevant?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 12:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Anything else about Q relevant? yes
Anything else about the Lion relevant? no
Anything else about anything relevant? Hey, that's cheating! But I will tell you this, there is something about the detective in regards to Q that is relevant
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 1:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lion-tamers are always SO jealous of people who teach chickens to skateboard--they're just strange that way.

Were there none of Delilah's footprints in the area, indicating that she'd been carried to the cage?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 5:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lion-tamers are always SO jealous of people who teach chickens to skateboard--they're just strange that way. Just can't get that out of your head, eh? ;)

Were there none of Delilah's footprints in the area, indicating that she'd been carried to the cage? nope
Oneida (Theoneida)
Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 8:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Quiana put her own shoes on Delilah's feet?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 7:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

no, but...
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 11:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Delilah, er.. entire? I mean, could she be recognized by some other physical trait than her feet, or was she somehow mutilated? perhaps not to be recognized?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 12:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Quiana put her own feet in Delilah's shoes?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 4:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Delilah, er.. entire? yes I mean, could she be recognized by some other physical trait than her feet, or was she somehow mutilated? former, but that would not have solved the mystery perhaps not to be recognized? no

By David Burn (Woubit) on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 12:30 am:

Did Quiana put her own feet in Delilah's shoes? no, but
Amol D. (Amol)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 3:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is any particular trick the lion has been taught relevant ?

Is Quiana alive ? Is she injured by the lion ? Is she found out because the lion did something only she could have told him to do ?
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 5:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You said footwear isn't relevant. So, for the 2 "no, but"s...
Did Delilah put her feet in something other than footwear? Did Quiana put Delilah's feet in something other than footwear? Did Quiana put her own feet in something other than footwear?
If so, is the other "something" the lion's mouth?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 10:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is any particular trick the lion has been taught relevant ? no

Is Quiana alive ? yes Is she injured by the lion ? NO Is she found out because the lion did something only she could have told him to do ? noish, explore

By miroac (Miroac) on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 05:13 pm:

You said footwear isn't relevant. So, for the 2 "no, but"s...
Did Delilah put her feet in something other than footwear? Did Quiana put Delilah's feet in something other than footwear? Did Quiana put her own feet in something other than footwear?
If so, is the other "something" the lion's mouth? no, she put herself in Delilah's shoes...figuratively...
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 2:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Quiana try to impersonate Delilah? after killing her? before?
Quiana and the detective were: related? acquiantences? friends? lovers?
Are Quiana and Delilah related? twins? Do they resemble each other? and their only distinguishing feature is their feet?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 5:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Quiana try to impersonate Delilah? YES after killing her? before? THIS, now you should know how he used the size of feet to solve the crime
Quiana and the detective were: related? acquaintances? this, they met briefly beforefriends? lovers?
Are Quiana and Delilah related? no twins? Do they resemble each other? no and their only distinguishing feature is their feet? Delilah has unusually small feet, Quiana's are average

With the infomation you know possess about Quiana's feet, her impersonation and her relationship with the lion, you should know what relevant factoids led the detective to his deduction...
Amol D. (Amol)
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 2:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

While impersonating D, did Q irritate the lion ? put him in some danger ? made him do something he did not like ? made him do something he liked ? confused him ? kept him hungry ? feed him ?
Did Q want the lion to be angry with D ? friendly with D ?
Are lions supposed to track their prey / enemies / friends with their footprints ?
Are any details of the cage relevant ?
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 3:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The detective had met the "Circus Beauty" Delilah before, not knowing that it wasn't actually Delilah, but Quiana impersonating her. He remembered that her feet seemed normal.
Then when investigating Delilah's murder, he noticed she had very small feet, which she didn't have when he met her before. Therefore, he knew that the Circus Beauty he met before wasn't Delilah, but an imposter, and from this he deduced that Delilah was murdered.

Is that correct? Did I miss anything?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 9:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

While impersonating D, did Q irritate the lion ? no put him in some danger ? made him do something he did not like ? made him do something he liked ? confused him ? kept him hungry ? feed him ?
Did Q want the lion to be angry with D ? friendly with D ? no to all of these
Are lions supposed to track their prey / enemies / friends with their footprints ? no
Are any details of the cage relevant ? no

By miroac (Miroac) on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:38 pm:

The detective had met the "Circus Beauty" Delilah before, not knowing that it wasn't actually Delilah, but Quiana impersonating her. He remembered that her feet seemed normal.
Then when investigating Delilah's murder, he noticed she had very small feet, which she didn't have when he met her before. Therefore, he knew that the Circus Beauty he met before wasn't Delilah, but an imposter, and from this he deduced that Delilah was murdered.

Is that correct? In a nutshell, yes. Did I miss anything? No, that is very accurate, good job. I shall have the solution written up a little later, good job everyone!
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 1:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

***** SPOILER *****

This puzzle was taken from a story in an anthology of "new" Sherlock Holmes adventures.

Holmes is visited by a woman client impersonating (using our names and not the story's) Delilah, she does this so she can implicate someone else in the soon to be murder and not her. Quiana later stabs her and throws the body in the lion cage.

When Holmes investigates the scene, he learns Delilah plays with the lion and does some training with it, so he suspects her right off the back because the lion did nothing to attack the intruder. Since she plays and trains with it, she could carry a body in there and get no reaction.

But the kicker is when Holmes examines the corpse's feet, which are unusually small. The women claiming to be Delilah had regular sized feat! When he learns of the jealousy Quiana had for Delilah he has the whole puzzle and Quiana confesses her vile deed.
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 2:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

See? See what lengths people will go to when someone else becomes the darling due to their elite training-poultry-to-skateboard skills?

Something Must Be Done, I tell you.


:O
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 2:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Like I said...totally obsessed. :)
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 2:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Humphff. I do not have OCD, I'll have you know, so if you will excuse me, I have to go alphabetize my sock drawer.
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 2:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, good luck with that! ;)
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 3:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks, Fred. That was a good one.
I don't have any chickens or sock drawers, so I guess I'll hang out here for a while.
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 11:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Capital, Fred, quite capital!"

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