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Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 12:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would these foodstuffs be engineered to produce large numbers of tomatoes (or whatever) with images of Jesus or the Virgin Mary on them? So that they can be sold for large amounts of money to people who believe in such things?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 2:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin) on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 08:43 am:

Does it depend on the kind of plant wether its eaten? no Or on the kind of change? yes

By Johanna (Buzzard) on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 12:11 pm:

Would these foodstuffs be engineered to produce large numbers of tomatoes (or whatever) with images of Jesus or the Virgin Mary on them? no So that they can be sold for large amounts of money to people who believe in such things? no. But good thinking :)
Tommy Petersson (Tommyp)
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 2:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would a blind man who knew about this genetically modified plant be able to differ it from a non-modified one?
Does the change show clearly to a person looking at the "new" plant? only in sunlight? under a light bulb?
Maybe a recap, it's a bit hard to get a grip on what's not already suggested?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 2:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tommy Petersson (Tommyp) on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 02:35 pm:


Would a blind man who knew about this genetically modified plant be able to differ it from a non-modified one? not very easily
Does the change show clearly to a person looking at the "new" plant? only in sunlight? under a light bulb? the change would show clearly if there were enough light to see the plant
Maybe a recap, it's a bit hard to get a grip on what's not already suggested?

We know how to carry out certain genetic modifications on plants - we have the technology.

We probably do not know how to carry out the specific modification I have in mind for this puzzle, but the idea is that edible plants need to be modified in a particular way in order to meet a particular requirement. If this requirement is met, the plants may or may not then be eaten.
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 2:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would this modification allow the farmers who grow the plants to sell them for more money, do you suppose?

Is such a modification something that's been alluded to in some piece of literature? (Presumably, which was written at a time when growing plants with this characteristic on purpose would have been impossible?)

Would the plants have words on them? letters? pictures? abstract designs? Would they change colour under certain circumstances?
Tommy Petersson (Tommyp)
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 2:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would the plant modification minimize something undesired? like insects eating the crop?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 3:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Johanna (Buzzard) on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 02:46 pm:

Would this modification allow the farmers who grow the plants to sell them for more money, do you suppose? no. But without it, they might not be able to sell them for any money at all.

Is such a modification something that's been alluded to in some piece of literature? not as far as I know. But I haven't read all the literature in the world. Yet. (Presumably, which was written at a time when growing plants with this characteristic on purpose would have been impossible?)

Would the plants have words on them? yes letters? and therefore yes pictures? no abstract designs? no Would they change colour under certain circumstances? not in a way that is relevant to the puzzle, no

By Tommy Petersson (Tommyp) on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 02:49 pm:

Would the plant modification minimize something undesired? yes like insects eating the crop? but not this kind of thing at all
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 3:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would the vegetables have labels on them that state what kind of vegetables they are? or how to cook them? or how much money they cost?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 3:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Johanna (Buzzard) on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 03:07 pm:

Would the vegetables have labels on them that state what kind of vegetables they are? yesish or how to cook them? no - that would be altogether too presumptuous or how much money they cost? no
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 3:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would these labels state which part of the plant is to be eaten?

Suppose a tomato plant were so modified - would the word "tomato" appear anywhere on it? If so, on the fruit? Would any other words appear on it?
Chuck Raby (Wildcard)
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 3:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the modification change the shape of the plant? Color? texture? Size?
Is the change something that would make the item more apealing to everyone? children? adults? anyone in particular besides you?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 3:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Johanna (Buzzard) on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 03:17 pm:

Would these labels state which part of the plant is to be eaten? not always - perhaps in some cases. But this would not be the primary purpose, although...

Suppose a tomato plant were so modified - would the word "tomato" appear anywhere on it? yope If so, on the fruit? yes Would any other words appear on it? yes

By Chuck Raby (Wildcard) on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 03:25 pm:

Does the modification change the shape of the plant? Color? texture? Size? none of these
Is the change something that would make the item more apealing to everyone? on the contrary... children? adults? anyone in particular besides you?
Chuck Raby (Wildcard)
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 4:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

does the label indicate where the item was grown? "grown in the UK" or similar?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 4:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Chuck Raby (Wildcard) on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 04:08 pm:


does the label indicate where the item was grown? "grown in the UK" or similar? no, but such labels would appear only in the UK
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 4:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would the label state that the plant has been genetically modified?
Chuck Raby (Wildcard)
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 5:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would the label include the expiration date of the plant? Best if eaten before? 'Born on' date?
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 5:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does this have to do with food labeling requirements? Normally applied to packaged foods?
Tommy Petersson (Tommyp)
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 6:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes, EAN code perhaps?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 11:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Johanna (Buzzard) on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 04:24 pm:

Would the label state that the plant has been genetically modified? no

By Chuck Raby (Wildcard) on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 05:08 pm:

Would the label include the expiration date of the plant? Best if eaten before? 'Born on' date? not quite, but this is very much on the right lines

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 05:53 pm:

Does this have to do with food labeling requirements? yes Normally applied to packaged foods? for the most part, yes

By Tommy Petersson (Tommyp) on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 06:07 pm:

Yes, EAN code perhaps? or perhaps not :)
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 12:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here there are laws about (that is, requiring) the posting of nutritional information (grams of protein, fat, carbohydrates, quantities of various vitamins and minerals etc.) and listing ingredients--is it one of those? Is this something specific to the UK? Is an EAN code the same as a UPC?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 12:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 12:39 am:

Here there are laws about (that is, requiring) the posting of nutritional information (grams of protein, fat, carbohydrates, quantities of various vitamins and minerals etc.) and listing ingredients--is it one of those? no - something more general that that. But you are on the right track... Is this something specific to the UK? this silly puzzle was prompted by something that I read in an English newspaper about UK legislation Is an EAN code the same as a UPC? more or less. But again, this puzzle does not require that level of detail.
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 7:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did I get you right that this label would make you not want to eat the plant? If so, would that be because of health concerns? or is it a moral thing?