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Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 8:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was a bet involved? a contest? an experiment?
Is Archimedes relevant? water displacement? the word 'Eureka' relevant?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 8:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What the sender had done was cook the steak?
Would I want to eat this steak (even if I did eat meat)? Had something happened to the steak in the second picture that would make the third picture seem impossible?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 8:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the three pictures of one steak: frozen; thawed; cooked? or fresh-from-the-butcher raw; prepared for cooking; cooked?

Was what the sender of the e-mail had done a cooking method? a serving technique? a marinade?

Were both men chefs? cooks? restaurant managers? meat salesmen? inventors?
(Scarmiglione)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 8:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Sam Greene (Pandora) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 08:05 pm:

Was a bet involved? no a contest? sort of an experiment? yes
Is Archimedes relevant? no water displacement? no the word 'Eureka' relevant? only in the sense that it connotates achieving or discovering something

By Eliot (Eliot) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 08:19 pm:

What the sender had done was cook the steak? he cooked it, yes
Would I want to eat this steak (even if I did eat meat)? it wouldn't hurt you to eat it, and nothing inherently disgusting about it (unless you happened to find meat disgusting anyway)
Had something happened to the steak in the second picture that would make the third picture seem impossible? yes...
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they experimenting with cooking methods? chemicals?
Is it relevant how the email sender cooked the steak? did he use traditional methods? or a slightly more obscure method?
(Scarmiglione)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 08:49 pm:

Are the three pictures of one steak: frozen; thawed; cooked? or fresh-from-the-butcher raw; prepared for cooking; cooked? the raw steak (in both pictures) is a fresh, unfrozen raw steak ready for cooking. the cooked steak is nicely cooked just the way you like it.

Was what the sender of the e-mail had done a cooking method? a serving technique? a marinade? no to these

Were both men chefs? cooks? restaurant managers? meat salesmen?no to these
inventors? YES
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the experiment attempting to make the steak edible? To cook the steak? To cook it in a different manner? To make the steak somehow better?
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had the email sender invented something? related to cooking? relating to steak? Is cooking speed relevant?
(Scarmiglione)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y Sam Greene (Pandora) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 09:00 pm:

Were they experimenting with cooking methods? nochemicals? chemicals may be involved, but not important
Is it relevant how the email sender cooked the steak? no did he use traditional methods? let's say he cooked it in a pan, on a stove
or a slightly more obscure method? no
(Scarmiglione)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Eliot (Eliot) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 09:03 pm:

Was the experiment attempting to make the steak edible? To cook the steak? To cook it in a different manner? To make the steak somehow better? no to these

By Sam Greene (Pandora) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 09:04 pm:

Had the email sender invented something? YES related to cooking? yes relating to steak? yes Is cooking speed relevant? no
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he invent a type of steak? a machine? something electrical? something which uses light? heat? Is this invention something that is in everyday use? something made up for the purpose of this puzzle?
Did they invent a liquid? a gas?
Did the steak at any point go from being cooked, back to raw?
(Scarmiglione)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Sam Greene (Pandora) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 09:10 pm:

Did he invent a type of steak? no a machine? yes something electrical? something which uses light? heat? how the device actually works is unimportant Is this invention something that is in everyday use? no something made up for the purpose of this puzzle? YES
Did they invent a liquid? a gas? no to these
Did the steak at any point go from being cooked, back to raw? YES

puzzle is nearly solved!
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is time/era relevant? Could this happen now? Obviously it has to have happened since the advent of e-mail...does it matter when this is taking place?
What matters the most about the steak:
how much time it took to go from raw to cooked?
how it looks when cooked? when raw?
something done to it prior to cooking? during cooking? after cooking?
how it tastes after it is cooked?

Did the steak look different, when cooked, to the dead guy than it would have looked if you or I looked at it and assumed it was merely a cooked steak?
(Scarmiglione)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ixoye724 (Ixoye724) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 09:17 pm:

Is time/era relevant? Could this happen now? Obviously it has to have happened since the advent of e-mail...does it matter when this is taking place? setting could be anytime since advent of E-mail
What matters the most about the steak:
how much time it took to go from raw to cooked?
how it looks when cooked? when raw?
something done to it prior to cooking? during cooking? after cooking?THIS
how it tastes after it is cooked?

Did the steak look different, when cooked, to the dead guy than it would have looked if you or I looked at it and assumed it was merely a cooked steak? no
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So they were both inventors? trying to devise a way of turning cooked food into raw food? the email sender invented a machine which enabled this to happen. He had a steak, took a picture of it, cooked it then took a picture of the cooked steak? used his machine and it turned back into it's original state. he took a picture of this then sent these in an email to this man who then killed himself?

Do we need to establish why this man killed himself rather than just admitting defeat?
Do we need to establish why the cooked steak needed to be raw once again?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the pictures show a clock, or any other device which would indicate a time of day or time lapse, therby proving the steak had in fact went from raw to cooked back to raw in a chronological order?
(Scarmiglione)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Sam Greene (Pandora) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 09:21 pm:

So they were both inventors? trying to devise a way of turning cooked food into raw food? the email sender invented a machine which enabled this to happen. He had a steak, took a picture of it, cooked it then took a picture of the cooked steak? used his machine and it turned back into it's original state. he took a picture of this then sent these in an email to this man who then killed himself?

Do we need to establish why this man killed himself rather than just admitting defeat?
Do we need to establish why the cooked steak needed to be raw once again?

you've hit the nail on the head
************SPOILER**********************
The man is an inventor who has spent his life trying to build a device that “un-cooks” food. The E-mail is from his hated rival, who has been working on the same project, each desperately wanting to beat the other. The Rival has done it first, and our hero, devastated from losing to his enemy, takes the gun from his desk, and shoots himself in the head.


Thanks to all of you for playing, and the Solid-Gold Silver Star goes to Pandora, for her elegant deathblow. congrats!

I am particularly proud of this puzzle, and had a good time running it, so if you liked it let me know. A bit of trivia, the steaks were originally going to be toast, and the device a "reverse toaster". I thought that was too easy, and that meat would be more complicated, and suggest sinister things to yyour imaginations. anyway thanks for puzzling with me
(Scarmiglione)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ixoye724 (Ixoye724) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 09:25 pm:

Did the pictures show a clock, or any other device which would indicate a time of day or time lapse, therby proving the steak had in fact went from raw to cooked back to raw in a chronological order?
I never actaully thought of that. would have been a nice twist if the E-mail was a lie. Oh well, hindsight is always 20-20}
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good puzzle :)
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"so if you liked it let me know"

Liked it? Are you kidding me? It STUNK!

I am kidding, this was a neat and enjoyable puzzle. The guy who sent the e-mail would have needed to show some proof of time of day or some other way of showing that the steak did indeed go raw-cooked-raw. Otherwise, he could have just taken two pictures of raw steak and one of cooked steak and just put them in an order that would look convincing.

Creative and suspenseful - thumbs up!
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When they do invent an un-cooker, tell me. I'd very much like one.
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Same here, Eliot:

"Did I say well done? I meant rare!"
(Scarmiglione)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks, guys. I may have more like this in the future, if I can think of any. Although I will certainly use your advice, Ixoye, and make sure my future characters have proof before they off themselves:)
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 9:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

:) Just a thought, and something that was creeping around in my brain for the latter part of the puzzle.

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