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Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 9:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the boy at her door at her residence trick-or-treating? yes
The date was Oct. 31? yup and she didn't know it was Halloween? yes, explore
Is the time period relevant? no Is the location relevant? yes
Is this before Halloween and trick-or-treating became "traditions" (for lack of a better term)? no Is she new to the country or area she now lives in, and isn't familiar with Halloween or it's "traditions"? YES, okay, don't explore ;) Did the boy (and his family) move to a country or area where Halloween isn't, ummm, "celebrated", as it was where he moved from? no
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 9:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

She's newly moved into an area where Halloween is celebrated with trick-or-treating, from an area where it isn't, and he comes to her door, dressed as a ghost. His mask is relevant.

She doesn't give him a treat, so does he play a trick on her? A trick he believes is harmless? Or a malicious one? Does she think that it's malicious?

Does his mask prevent her from knowing who he is? and therefore from complaining about the trick to his parents? or identifying him to the authorities?
Chuck Raby (Wildcard)
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 10:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he Casper the friendly ghost?
If not, he the ghost of some famous real person? other cartoon character? Similar?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 11:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

She's newly moved into an area where Halloween is celebrated with trick-or-treating, from an area where it isn't, and he comes to her door, dressed as a ghost. His mask is relevant. That about sums it up, yes

She doesn't give him a treat, so does he play a trick on her? no A trick he believes is harmless? no Or a malicious one? no Does she think that it's malicious? no

Does his mask prevent her from knowing who he is? yes, but that is not why it's relevant and therefore from complaining about the trick to his parents? no or identifying him to the authorities? no

By Chuck Raby (Wildcard) on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 10:23 pm:

Was he Casper the friendly ghost? irrel
If not, he the ghost of some famous real person? other cartoon character? Similar? not sure and irrel
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 12:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does she recognize the mask, even though she doesn't know about celebrating Halloween? (e.g. it's the traditional colors patterns for a Kabuki ghost?, and she's Japanese, so she recognises that he's playing a part?)

Is his mask reassuring to her? frightening?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 1:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does she recognize the mask, even though she doesn't know about celebrating Halloween? (e.g. it's the traditional colors patterns for a Kabuki ghost?, and she's Japanese, so she recognises that he's playing a part?) nice try, but no

Is his mask reassuring to her? frightening? this
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 1:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

His mask is frightening to her--which means I need to check an assumption: Is she one of the others that it was a "good thing that he was a ghost" for?

The mask itself frightens her? or that there's someone wearing a mask knocking on her door at all?

Does her lack of costume lead him to believe that she doesn't know what trick-or-treating is, so he doesn't play a trick on her?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2005 - 3:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

His mask is frightening to her--which means I need to check an assumption: Is she one of the others that it was a "good thing that he was a ghost" for? yes, but only in a tangential way

The mask itself frightens her? well, the whole costume does or that there's someone wearing a mask knocking on her door at all? no

Does her lack of costume lead him to believe that she doesn't know what trick-or-treating is, so he doesn't play a trick on her? no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 11:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So was it good that he was dressed as a ghost vs., say, an armadillo or a Power Ranger™ or something?

It didn't cause someone to do something good for him nor prevent something bad...did it allow him to do something good?

Is the ease of assuming/removing the costume relevant?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 12:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So was it good that he was dressed as a ghost vs., say, an armadillo or a Power Ranger™ or something? yes

It didn't cause someone to do something good for him nor prevent something bad...did it allow him to do something good? noish

Is the ease of assuming/removing the costume relevant?
no
(Scarmiglione)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 10:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was she planning to murder the next person who came to her door?
but the ghost mask scared her off, since she didn't know about halloween, and thus it was a good thing he "was a ghost"?

was either party up to no good?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 11:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was she planning to murder the next person who came to her door? no
but the ghost mask scared her off, since she didn't know about halloween, and thus it was a good thing he "was a ghost"? nope, in fact his being a ghost was helpful in a rather "it could have been worse" way

was either party up to no good? nah, she was just ignorant of the local customs and the boy was just in the wrong place at the wrong time
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 3:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Rather than a "preventing bad" it was a "preventing worse"? Did she do something to banish a ghost vs., say, shooting him (since, after all, guns don't hurt ghosts)?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

She did not shoot him, but she did attack the poor kid in some way...and yes it was a "preventing worse" situation.
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 3:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are we to determine how exactly she reacted? Did she douse him with holy water? Perform some rite/ritual? She did recognize that he was a ghost (or at least dressed as one), right?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 4:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So the good for her was that she reacted to him as though he really were a ghost, and not in a way that would have done more damage to him? (e.g., she only doused him with holy water, instead of spraying him with pepper spray?)

Is the fact that his mask covered his face the relevant thing about it? Or is it relevant because the mask is what made her think that he was a ghost? Did it physically protect his face from something? Something she threw? sprayed?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 9:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are we to determine how exactly she reacted? yes Did she douse him with holy water? no, but... Perform some rite/ritual? no She did recognize that he was a ghost (or at least dressed as one), right? yes

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 04:30 pm:

So the good for her was that she reacted to him as though he really were a ghost, and not in a way that would have done more damage to him? (e.g., she only doused him with holy water, instead of spraying him with pepper spray?) no, not like this

Is the fact that his mask covered his face the relevant thing about it? it's one part Or is it relevant because the mask is what made her think that he was a ghost? no Did it physically protect his face from something? yes Something she threw? THIS sprayed?
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 2:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Another rock.

Er, ectoplasm-eradicator? Denatured spirits?

Did she throw a liquid? Solid? Semi-solid? Gelatinous mass?

Did she throw something specific because he was a ghost? Or just whatever was handy? Did she have it in her hand(s) when she answered the door? On her person?
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 3:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she throw something at him to scare him away? to be mean? Was he being a nuisance to her?
Were any words exchanged between him and her?
Did he upset her? by something he said? did?

Is the mask only relevant because it protected his face? or is there some other reason as to why it's relevant?

Is it relevant that the costume was purchased rather than homemade?

Was he the first trick-or-treater to visit her?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 6:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Another rock. I blame the Great Pumpkin myself.

Er, ectoplasm-eradicator? Denatured spirits? nope, and not even No-Ghost either

Did she throw a liquid? yes Solid? Semi-solid? Gelatinous mass?

Did she throw something specific because he was a ghost? no Or just whatever was handy? yes Did she have it in her hand(s) when she answered the door? yes On her person?

By Sam Greene (Pandora) on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 03:09 pm:

Did she throw something at him to scare him away? yessish to be mean? no Was he being a nuisance to her? no
Were any words exchanged between him and her? no
Did he upset her? yes by something he said? did? no, just by being there

Is the mask only relevant because it protected his face? yes or is there some other reason as to why it's relevant? no, in fact there is only one more thing to figure out and we have solvation

Is it relevant that the costume was purchased rather than homemade? yes

Was he the first trick-or-treater to visit her? most likely
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 7:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A beverage?

If so:
coffee?
soft drink?
water?
fruit juice?
milk?
tea?
a milkshake?
wine?
spirits?
beer?
something else that I've missed?

If not a beverage, then:
a cleaning fluid (like Windex or pine cleaner?)
a fuel? (kerosene, gasoline, alcohol?)
a solvent? (like denatured alcohol or nail polish remover?)
a paint or dye?
a non-beverage, liquid food? (like ketchup, soup, or chocolate sauce?)
a lotion?
a liquid soap or detergent?
something else that I've missed?

If he hadn't been wearing the mask, would the liquid have thermally burned him? chemically burned him? damaged his skin in some other way? stained his skin? damaged his eyes? would it have gotten in his mouth and poisoned him? made him ill?

Is the fact that his costume was purchased important because the mask was made of something other than cloth? (as a homemade ghost costume would probably be cloth, not plastic or rubber? Is it important that we find out what the mask was made of?
Did she also throw the container the liquid was in?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 7:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A beverage? can be

If so:
coffee?
soft drink?
water? this
fruit juice?
milk?
tea?
a milkshake?
wine?
spirits?
beer?
something else that I've missed?

If not a beverage, then:
a cleaning fluid (like Windex or pine cleaner?)
a fuel? (kerosene, gasoline, alcohol?)
a solvent? (like denatured alcohol or nail polish remover?)
a paint or dye?
a non-beverage, liquid food? (like ketchup, soup, or chocolate sauce?)
a lotion?
a liquid soap or detergent?
something else that I've missed?

If he hadn't been wearing the mask, would the liquid have thermally burned him? YES chemically burned him? YES damaged his skin in some other way? yes stained his skin? probably damaged his eyes? possibly would it have gotten in his mouth and poisoned him? no made him ill? no

Is the fact that his costume was purchased important because the mask was made of something other than cloth? (as a homemade ghost costume would probably be cloth, not plastic or rubber? yes Is it important that we find out what the mask was made of? no, but...
Did she also throw the container the liquid was in? no
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 7:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So she threw hot water that also contained some other chemical or chemicals? water with lye?

for a real leap: some sort of photo developing chemical?

Or to be more methodical: had she been working on some sort of a project when he rang her doorbell and she carried the container of hot water+whatever to the door? a craft? an experiment? had she been cooking?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 7:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So she threw hot water that also contained some other chemical or chemicals? no, just hot water, sorry water with lye?

for a real leap: some sort of photo developing chemical? no

Or to be more methodical: had she been working on some sort of a project when he rang her doorbell and she carried the container of hot water+whatever to the door? a craft? an experiment? had she been cooking? It's not really stated, but she was probably cooking
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 8:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, ok, then.
Are the other two people (you said four people, but mostly the boy and woman) who it was a good thing for, his parents, who didn't have to deal with a severely burned son, and the grief and bills that would cause?


So it was a good thing for him that he was wearing a purchased ghost costume with a mask because the mask saved him from being burned.

It was a good thing for her, because she didn't injure him (and probably get sued or arrested) when she slung the hot water she was carrying when she opened the door into his face.

What else do we need to find out?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 10:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, ok, then.
Are the other two people (you said four people, but mostly the boy and woman) who it was a good thing for, his parents, who didn't have to deal with a severely burned son, and the grief and bills that would cause? exactly so

So it was a good thing for him that he was wearing a purchased ghost costume with a mask because the mask saved him from being burned. yes

It was a good thing for her, because she didn't injure him (and probably get sued or arrested) when she slung the hot water she was carrying when she opened the door into his face. yes

What else do we need to find out? One last detail: what was it overall about the costume that protected his body from harm as well as his face?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 - 1:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Gotcha.

Well, a ghost costume would probably be rather loose and floaty, rather than tight or form fitting, maybe some type of a robe thing. Does that have anything to do with it?
Or it is more to do with the type of material it was made from? Was it cheap slick polyester or nylon rather than cotton, so it didn't absorb the hot water?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 - 4:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, a ghost costume would probably be rather loose and floaty, rather than tight or form fitting, maybe some type of a robe thing. Does that have anything to do with it? nah, good try though ;)
Or it is more to do with the type of material it was made from? YES Was it cheap slick polyester or nylon rather than cotton, so it didn't absorb the hot water? not quite...explore...
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 - 4:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it the whole outfit made from cheap but impervious poly-ethylene?
- with a rigid mask and a full length flowing plastic sheet?
Thus the hot water would've just cascaded off the outfit before doing any physical damage to the boy.
(and as long as his shoes had thick, rubber soles, he should be fine standing in the subsequent puddle)
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 - 10:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it the whole outfit made from cheap but impervious poly-ethylene? possibly
- with a rigid mask and a full length flowing plastic sheet? possibly
Thus the hot water would've just cascaded off the outfit before doing any physical damage to the boy.
(and as long as his shoes had thick, rubber soles, he should be fine standing in the subsequent puddle) Actually, was it was lined with is more important...
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 - 11:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the lining waterproof? so that it kept both the hot water and the hot wet fabric from touching him? taffeta? nylon? plastic? rubber?
or was the important factor that it insulated him from the heat itself, more than from the water? like flannel? fleece? felt? something quilted? rubber again?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 - 11:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the lining waterproof? so that it kept both the hot water and the hot wet fabric from touching him? taffeta? nylon? plastic? rubber?
or was the important factor that it insulated him from the heat itself, more than from the water? yes, this like flannel? fleece? felt? something quilted? rubber again? I'm not 100% sure since this is based on a real life incident and they didn't say all the details, but it's a lining that I believe is only applicable on synthetic fibers
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 4:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

One of the microfiber high-tech fabrics?
Thinsulate?
the new super-fleece?
Kevlar?
Nomex?
Neoprene?

Was the lining a separate piece of material inside the costume? a coating applied directly to the fabric? a fabric treatment but not a coating? (i.e., something that soaked into the fibers of the material rather than laying on the outside?)

Was the primary reason that this lining was used its water resistance? Its insulating quality? some other quality that it had?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 12:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the lining a separate piece of material inside the costume? YES, that is close enough for a spoiler, good job!
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 12:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

***** SPOILER *****


A woman had recently moved to Great Britain from China. She was ignorant about the celebration of Halloween, so when a young boy wearing a ghost costume rang her doorbell, she thought him to be a real evil spirit! She threw a pan of boiling water on him and only his mask and the costumes binliner saved him from serious burns.

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