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Dref (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 4:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A man lies dead next to a small rock.
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 5:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Boring Questions list...
did said small rock cause said man's death? directly?
Is there any other relevent people? any relevent animals?
Is the displacement of the rock with referance to the man relevent?
Is the position in which the man lies relevent?
Are the surroundings relevent?- Is the man lying on the ground? Is he outside?
Does the rock have a particular relevent shape?
Is there any particular relevent markings on the man?
Is the man's profession relevent? His age? His physicallity? His relationship with any living things in this puzzle?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 5:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Boring Questions list... Boring answers below: ;)
did said small rock cause said man's death? yes directly? yes
Is there any other relevent people? no any relevent animals? yes
Is the displacement of the rock with referance to the man relevent? no
Is the position in which the man lies relevent? no
Are the surroundings relevent?- no Is the man lying on the ground? yes Is he outside? yes
Does the rock have a particular relevent shape? no
Is there any particular relevent markings on the man? no
Is the man's profession relevent? no His age? yes His physicallity? yes His relationship with any living things in this puzzle? no
Kapil Kapur (Dinkie)
Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 1:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

kryptonite ?
superman ?

in case you were calling our bluff about not being a classic
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 6:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nope, no bluff. ;) And no Goliath either. ;)
Ian (Image)
Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 10:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

anything special about the rock? its size? composition? texture? weight? location? appearance?

did the rock strike the man?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 3:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

anything special about the rock? nope, just a boring ole rock its size? composition? texture? weight? location? appearance?

did the rock strike the man? yes
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 5:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the relevent animal domestic? common?
• Mammal?
- Rodent?
- Canine?
- Feline?
- Equine?
- Primate?
- Ursine?

- Monotreme?
- Marsupial?

• Reptile?
• Avarian?
• Insect?
• Arachnid?
• Fish?
• Amphibian?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 7:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the relevent animal domestic? no common? yes
Mammal?
- Rodent?
- Canine?
- Feline?
- Equine?
- Primate?
- Ursine?

- Monotreme?
- Marsupial?

Reptile?
Avarian? this
Insect?
Arachnid?
Fish?
Amphibian?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 12:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the man bald?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 6:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

yes, which leads me to believe that you know this...
Damien Sullivan (Docd)
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 10:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Obvious question then-
Did a bird drop this rock on the man?...
Thinking he was something round and shiny?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 1:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

yup to both
Damien Sullivan (Docd)
Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 4:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Round and shiny like an ostrich egg?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 5:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

nope
Damien Sullivan (Docd)
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 10:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the type of bird relevant?

Was the bird trying to:
Break the object it thought it was aiming at?
Kill it? Injure it?
Frighten or otherwise deter it?
Ricochet off it?
Attract its attention?
Land the rock on/in it without injury?

Did the bird see something reflected in the shiny scalp?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 1:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Afraid I've heard this story too, always had a hard time believing it.. it does make for a good puzzle, though!
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 3:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the type of bird relevant? not really

Was the bird trying to:
Break the object it thought it was aiming at? YES
Kill it? yes Injure it? yes
Frighten or otherwise deter it?
Ricochet off it?
Attract its attention?
Land the rock on/in it without injury? no to rest

Did the bird see something reflected in the shiny scalp? no

By (Stuccosalt) on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 01:27 pm:

Afraid I've heard this story too, always had a hard time believing it.. it does make for a good puzzle, though! Indeed, it's a good story, whether true or not. ;)
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 4:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the bird assume the bald head represented a predator (after its chicks)?

Did the bird mistake the shiny head for something else?

Did it think the polished bonce was some sort of food?

Is there a significant sequence of events leading up to the bird dropping the stone o0n the man's head?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 4:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Fred - please read email
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 10:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the bird assume the bald head represented a predator (after its chicks)? no

Did the bird mistake the shiny head for something else? yes

Did it think the polished bonce was some sort of food? no

Is there a significant sequence of events leading up to the bird dropping the stone o0n the man's head? none

By Simon Downham (Beroean) on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 04:44 pm:

Fred - please read email Okay, but soon you'll be demanding I check my snail mail too! ;)
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 10:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Simon, your second one is correct. I'd never seen it as a classic anywhere, but maybe I just missed it.
Ian (Image)
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 10:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was the bird trying to kill what it thought was food? a shellfish of some sort?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 11:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Fred, maybe it's not a classic puzzle but perhaps it's one of those urban type thingies.
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 11:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was the bird trying to kill what it thought was food? yes a shellfish of some sort? no
Damien Sullivan (Docd)
Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 11:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was this the result of a learned behaviour by this particular bird?
An innate behaviour of this bird species?

Did the bird think it was aiming at an animal?
At a plant?
At something man-made?
At something covering or protecting food?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 12:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was this the result of a learned behaviour by this particular bird?
An innate behaviour of this bird species? this

Did the bird think it was aiming at an animal? yes
At a plant?
At something man-made?
At something covering or protecting food?
Damien Sullivan (Docd)
Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 8:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the bird think it was aiming at:
A mammal?
Reptile?
Amphibian?
Another bird?
Another vertebrate animal?
An invertebrate?

More than one animal?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 6:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the bird think it was aiming at:
A mammal?
Reptile? this
Amphibian?
Another bird?
Another vertebrate animal?
An invertebrate?

More than one animal?
Damien Sullivan (Docd)
Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 10:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A turtle or tortoise?

If so, is there anything more to it than that? (A bird tries to crack a turtle's shell with a rock, but instead mistakenly hits a bald man)
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 11:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nope, that is all. Thanks to all participants, good job Damien, spoiler ahead...
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 11:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

***** SPOILER *****


The Ancient Greek playwright Aeschylus was killed when an eagle mistook the playwright's bald head for a rock and dropped a tortoise onto it. The dead body is poor Aeschylus.

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