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Katy (Katy)
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 10:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I really think I've got this!!!! Email on the way!
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 6:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I thought this was to do with googlewhacking, 'Leob Fostat' returns exactly one result. :(
More questions to follow when I've had time to think
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 6:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

How exciting that my little puzzle has created a Googlewhack! :)
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 8:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Leob Fostat something biological?
Was Leob an entrepreneur of some kind?
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Monday, April 18, 2005 - 1:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Leob Fostat something biological? no
Was Leob an entrepreneur of some kind? yes in his own way I suppose he was
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 6:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Leob an architect? an archaeologist?
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 6:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Leob an architect? an archaeologist? neither
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 3:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Painter? sculptor?
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 6:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Painter? sculptor? no to both
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 6:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Leob Fostat a type of money?
When did Leob live? [insert LTPF list of centuries]
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 7:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Leob in the holiday business?
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 7:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Leob Fostat a type of money? no
When did Leob live? [insert LTPF list of centuries] 19th Century

By David Burn (Woubit) on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 07:04 pm:


Is Leob in the holiday business? no
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 6:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he an explorer? does he live in Egypt? work there?
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 10:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he an explorer? does he live in Egypt? work there? none of these
Jens Weber (Sundowner)
Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 5:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the Leob Classical Library relevant?
Was Leob an author?
Did the thing in Fostat exist before Leob created his version? if so: did Leob know of that thing?
Sanssouci relevant? Jerusalem? the Suez channel?
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 7:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the Leob Classical Library relevant? no
Was Leob an author? no
Did the thing in Fostat exist before Leob created his version? yes, and all over the world now if so: did Leob know of that thing? possibly
Sanssouci relevant? no Jerusalem? no the Suez channel? no
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 3:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

**********RECAP**********
Leob and Fostat are not related words and apart from in this puzzle are unlikely to be seen together a again. Leob (known by a much more famous name) lived in the 1800's and is famous for inventing something which needs to be discovered. A similar something is thought to have originated in Fostat, Cairo many many years ago and is still available and used today all over the world; As is Leob's invention and what he used to invent the something.
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 1:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Photography relevant?
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 3:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Photography relevant? no
Jens Weber (Sundowner)
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 5:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Leob Jewish?
Did he change his first name later to Levi?
Is the link between Leob and Fostat to do with cotton? indigo? weaving? sewing?
(In that case I'll leave the field to others because I'm not an expert in these things.)
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 10:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Leob Jewish? possibly but irrel
Did he change his first name later to Levi? YES!
Is the link between Leob and Fostat to do with cotton? this for SVV of 'Cotton' indigo? this too weaving? and this sewing? and this
(In that case I'll leave the field to others because I'm not an expert in these things.)
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 4:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is denim relevant?
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 9:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is denim relevant? YES! Now it's just a case of pulling all the pieces together
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 9:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So Loeb popularized denim in modern times, but in ancient times Fostat used denim too?
Jens Weber (Sundowner)
Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 10:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

well, then let's sort out some things.
The term "denim", as far as I know, originates from "serge de Nimes". Nimes has a tradition in textile manufacturing, so we might assume that the original denim indeed was made in Nimes (and not just traded there).
However, the term "jeans" comes from "Genoise", meaning "of Genoa", and the Genovians were famous traders of all sorts of fabric of different origin. So, could it be that Levi Strauss purchased cotton fabric from Genoa? which was, in fact, made in Fostat? and if his customers had knewn this, the Levi jeans might have become popular as Levi fostats, instead?
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 10:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jens explanation is close enough for a...

********************SPOLIER*******************
I Have a strong interest in Etymology (The origins of words) and came across the history of Denim Jeans. Bavarian born Loeb Strauss went to America in 1850 during the gold rush to make his fortune. His half brothers ran a dry goods business selling cloths, linens, clothing etc. Loeb worked with his brothers and changed his name to Levi a few years later. In 1872, he got a letter from a Reno, Nevada tailor, who had come up with a great idea. To improve the strength of the pants he made for his customers, he added metal rivets, which proved to be a big success. He wanted to patent the idea, but didn't have the money he needed. So he wrote to Levi, saying that if he would pay for the application, the two men could make riveted clothing and, make a very large amount of money. Levi knew a good business opportunity when he saw one, and in 1873 he and the Tailor (jacob Davis) received a patent for an "Improvement in Fastening Pocket-Openings."

The name of one of the most popular fabrics today, denim, entered English in the 17th century in the form serge de Nim, which was short for French serge de Nîmes or Nismes. Nîmes was a manufacturing town in southern France where the fabric was made in great quantities. In 1864 This became known as Denim. Jeans (American) or blue-jeans, which are made of denim today, take their name from another city: Genoa. Jeans were originally known as Jene fustian (1567) which was "fustian from Genoa". Fustian was a fabric which, it is thought, took its name from a suburb of Cairo, Fostat, where cloth was manufactured.

It is therefore possible that if Mr Strauss had not changed his name and that Jeans took their name for El Fostat Cairo rather than Genoa we could all be walking around in a pair of 'Loeb Fostats!'

Thankyou everyone for slogging this one out and well done Jens!
:)
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 6:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Loeb Fostat? Wasn't he a vampire or something? ;)
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 1:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The Vampire LeStat's cousin presumeably!

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