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Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 2:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A color arrived some time later than a musical instrument, so the latter became world-famous, the former was completely forgotten

By the way, I'm new here, pleased to meet you, this is my first puzzle, I hope i won't make big mistakes :D. Can somebody explain me the right meaning of key words or acronym like yesish, noish, yope, nope, svv? Thanks a lot!
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 3:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The FAQ on this page should explain most of it to you. ;)

Was the color named after the instrument?
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 4:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The FAQ on this page should explain most of it to you. ;)
Thanks! Actually it did. And sorry for not having put my nickname in the puzzle title :(


Was the color named after the instrument? No
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 6:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the color and the instrument share the same name? were the names similar but from different original languages?

And hi! and welcome to the forum.
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 9:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

We lateral oddballs have a range of words for questions that aren't quite yes or no. (and 'yep' or 'nope' mean the same as yes and no.) Yesish means almost yes, but slightly wrong or wrongly worded. Noish means for the most part no, but with an element of truth. Yope means that yes and no are in perfect balance. OTRT is on the right track...am I missing any?

Oh, and is the instrument this color? Relevant how the color was 'discovered'? Is it usually found in nature?
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 10:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

We lateral oddballs have a range of words for questions that aren't quite yes or no. (and 'yep' or 'nope' mean the same as yes and no.) Yesish means almost yes, but slightly wrong or wrongly worded. Noish means for the most part no, but with an element of truth. Yope means that yes and no are in perfect balance. OTRT is on the right track...am I missing any?
Thanks a lot. SVV is missing, FYOI and FA are already clear to me :)


Oh, and is the instrument this color? Relevant how the color was 'discovered'? Is it usually found in nature?
Well, to immediately use an acronym, FA to the three questions
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 11:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My questions two posts up, please?

SVV is "sufficiently vague values", used to indicate that if you stretch the meaning of a word or phrase far enough, the answer is sort-of-yes, or sort-of-no, whichever preceeded the "svv". "Yes, for SVV of 'know'" means "not 'know' the way you probably mean it, but in one (most likely odd) way, yes, 'know' could be applied."

Another one that you may run into once in a while is 'LTPFLPI'. It means Lateral Thinking Puzzle Forum List of Positive Integers and indicates that the questioner wants the host to supply the appropriate number, rather than typing in a great long list.
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 8:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My questions two posts up, please?
Sorry Barbara I completely skipped it... it was late yesterday night :). Thanks for the acronyms!


Did the color and the instrument share the same name? were the names similar but from different original languages? No to both, but names are very much relevant in the puzzle :)
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 1:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Arrived" : Was created / invented? Arrived at some place? Was formally introduced?

Is the musical instrument stringed? Percussion? Brass? Woodwind?

And welcome to the forum!
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 1:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Arrived" : Was created / invented? Arrived at some place? This Was formally introduced? No to the others

Is the musical instrument stringed? Percussion? This is the closest Brass? Woodwind?

Actually the words "musical instrument" can mislead... "object meant to produce a sound" is more appropriate

And welcome to the forum!
Thanks!!!
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 7:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the "color" actually a colour at all? or is it something else? something named after a colour? something which is a particular colour?
Is the "musical instrument" actually a musical instrument? or is it something else? something named after a musical instrument?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 8:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is either the noise-maker? or the color? or both? named after a person?

Is the color one that would be readily available in an artist's supply catalog? Is it one of those silly designer names, like "sun-bleached tangerine"?

Are both the noise maker and color names one word?
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 9:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 07:34 pm:

Is the "color" actually a colour at all? no or is it something else? yes something named after a colour? yope something which is a particular colour? no
Is the "musical instrument" actually a musical instrument? no or is it something else? yes something named after a musical instrument? yope

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 08:06 pm:

Is either the noise-maker? or the color? or both? named after a person? no, but OTRT

Is the color one that would be readily available in an artist's supply catalog? yes Is it one of those silly designer names, like "sun-bleached tangerine"? no, it's a very simple color

Are both the noise maker and color names one word? yes to both
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 1:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the color:
Red?
Orange?
Yellow?
Green?
Blue?
Purple?
Pink?
Brown?
Black?
White?

If not, is it another word for one of these colors or a certain shade of one of these colors (i.e. "violet" rather than "purple," "rose" rather than "pink")?
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 1:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the color:
Red?
Orange?
Yellow?
Green?
Blue?
Purple?
Pink?
Brown?
Black?
White?
None of these, but it is as common as these... actually i think it is the only one you forgot :)

If not, is it another word for one of these colors or a certain shade of one of these colors (i.e. "violet" rather than "purple," "rose" rather than "pink")? No, see above
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 1:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Silver?
Gold?
Peach?
Maroon?
Grey?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 2:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the noise-maker a human? other animal? inanimate object? something else?
Is the colour a human? other animal? inanimate object? something else?
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 2:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

HotBod:

Silver?
Gold?
Peach?
Maroon?
Grey? This one. BTW, Gray is more exact, at least in this puzzle :)

Wunderland:

Is the noise-maker a human? YES! other animal? inanimate object? something else?
Is the colour a human? YES too! other animal? inanimate object? something else?
Mezzoforte (Mezzoforte)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 2:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a well-known singer? Dead or alive? Man or woman?
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 2:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a well-known singer? No Dead or alive? Both dead Man or woman? Both men
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 2:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

One man is called Gray? Who was the non famous one?
Was the other called Gray too? Or was he called a name of a "noise maker"?
Were they exponents of the same art? same jobs?
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 3:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

One man is called Gray? Exactly Who was the non famous one? Gray
Was the other called Gray too? No Or was he called a name of a "noise maker"? Yes
Were they exponents of the same art? same jobs? This
Things seem to get clearer now... :)
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 3:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Has this got anything to do with the telephone? or the "musical telegraph"?
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 3:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Has this got anything to do with the telephone? or the "musical telegraph"?
Good job! Exactly!
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 3:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This is about Elisha Gray and Graham Bell?
And who filed the application for patents first?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 3:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Gray and Bell - nice puzzle!
er, or is there more to discover?
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 4:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hotbod:

This is about Elisha Gray and Graham Bell? Exactly so! :)
And who filed the application for patents first? Bell

Stuccosalt:

Gray and Bell - nice puzzle!
Thanks! And you were very quick! Maybe I gave too many hints... but this was my first puzzle...
er, or is there more to discover?
No, actually I can write the famous word:
********************SPOILER**********************
In 1876 Alexander Graham Bell went to the patent office to obtain a patent for his new invention, the telephone. Only two hours later, another engineer, Elisha Gray, presented a similar invention to the patent office, but he was too late. So Bell passed to history as the inventor of the telephone, funded the famous Bell Labs (still active today) while Gray was forgotten by most of the people.
Acually two more things should be said, beside the puzzle: Gray is anyway known in the world of telecom engineering for having invented a way of coding binary words which allows to reduce transmission errors (known as the Gray code); and, actually, the real inventor of the telephone was an italian, Antonio Meucci, but only some years ago the US congress has recognized this. At the time, he lost the trial against Bell and died in poverty...
Good job to everybody! :)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 4:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't think that you gave too many hints at all. I was still lost right up to the end, mainly because I'd never heard of Elisha Gray. Still, a very puzzling puzzle; thank you.
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 4:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't think that you gave too many hints at all. I was still lost right up to the end, mainly because I'd never heard of Elisha Gray. Still, a very puzzling puzzle; thank you.
You're welcome. Well, I suppose when you know the solution each small thing you say seem a hint to you... Anyway I'm glad you liked it!

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