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Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Monday, May 30, 2005 - 7:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he misunderstand her warning? No
Did he think he was in physical danger? YES -- good question!
Did he ask her for help? Yes

Is he having a nightmare? No
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, May 30, 2005 - 7:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The yope-ish-ness of the physical situation: is he facing the possibility of physical punishment?

Had he created the situation himself? by something he did? said? didn't do? didn't say?
Are there any other relevant people? if yes, his friends? classmates? co-workers? teachers? relatives? her friends? her co-workers?

Would this puzzle make a good plot for a sitcom?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Monday, May 30, 2005 - 8:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The yope-ish-ness of the physical situation: is he facing the possibility of physical punishment? That's part of it, but there is still a rather large element out there that so far no one has really touched on....

Had he created the situation himself? Yes by something he did? This one for sure said? In order to do the "something he did", he most likely would have to had said something. didn't do? didn't say?
Are there any other relevant people? Not really if yes, his friends? His friends were involved, but the story should still work just as well if no friends were invovled. classmates? co-workers? teachers? relatives? her friends? her co-workers? No to the rest

Would this puzzle make a good plot for a sitcom? Heh....this is necessarily subjective, but personally, I can't picture this being in a sitcom.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, May 30, 2005 - 8:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Physical humiliation rather than physical pain? or would it be some of both?

If he doesn't handle it properly, could his situation become actually dangerous?

Is she laughing because he looks silly at the moment?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Monday, May 30, 2005 - 9:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Physical humiliation rather than physical pain? No -- it's physical pain rather than physical humiliation or would it be some of both? If he really was in the trouble he thought he was in, then I can assure you that physical humiliation would be the least of his worries. :)

If he doesn't handle it properly, could his situation become actually dangerous? {No, and maybe a bit of a FA lurking here...}

Is she laughing because he looks silly at the moment? Yes
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 12:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So we have a teenaged boy in a situation that he believes to be physically dangerous, but his mother knows that it is not. He had been warned against getting into this situation. And he looks silly, so she is laughing at him.

Hmmmm. Another lurking FA, eh?
Does he in fact have any choice in how to handle the situation? Is there only one way for him to get out of it?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 3:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So we have a teenaged boy in a situation that he believes to be physically dangerous, but his mother knows that it is not. Yes He had been warned against getting into this situation. Yes And he looks silly, so she is laughing at him. Yes

Hmmmm. Another lurking FA, eh? Well, possibly. I'm not quite sure yet, as I can't read your mind.
Does he in fact have any choice in how to handle the situation? NO, not really. Good question. Is there only one way for him to get out of it? Hrm...tough to answer without misleading. Let's just say that from his perspective, there really isn't a way out of it, but that won't prevent him from trying nonetheless....
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 6:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he on something? under something? holding something? Is something holding him? Is he hanging from something.

Does his mother know that the situation isn't dangerous because she can see something? (someone?) that he can't?
because she's been in the same situation herself? because she knows someone who has been in the same situation?
because she knows more about the situation than he does?

Does she know what he must do to get out of the situation?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 8:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he on something? under something? Yes, but not quite in the manner you're implying by this series of questions holding something? Is something holding him? Is he hanging from something. No to the rest

Does his mother know that the situation isn't dangerous because she can see something? (someone?) that he can't? Yes, and it's "something" that she can see that he can't.
because she's been in the same situation herself? because she knows someone who has been in the same situation?
because she knows more about the situation than he does? And so yes to this one as well

Does she know what he must do to get out of the situation? Well, yes, though there's a bit of a FA here...
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 8:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Under something that isn't physical? under arrest? under bond? under a black cloud? under the weather? under hypnosis? under stress?

The FA:
That she?
knows?
what?
he must?
do?
to get out of?
the situation?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 8:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Under something that isn't physical? Yes under arrest? under bond? under a black cloud? under the weather? under hypnosis? under stress? Well, of course he's under a bit of stress as well -- and no to the rest.

The FA:
That she?
knows?
what?
he must?
do?
to get out of?
the situation? This one
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 5:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there even really a situation? or does Billy-Bob merely believe that there's a situation?

Is he under a misapprehension? under a delusion?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 6:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there even really a situation? NO -- good question! or does Billy-Bob merely believe that there's a situation? Exactly...and nice name to give to the teenager. :)

Is he under a misapprehension? So yes to this as well under a delusion? But not this
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 7:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So the situation that Billy-Bob thinks he's in will resolve itself if he does nothing? Will his doing anything at all make it worse?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 10:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So the situation that Billy-Bob thinks he's in will resolve itself if he does nothing? No...quite the contrary, in fact Will his doing anything at all make it worse? Tough to answer -- so I'll say that if Billy-Bob was really in the situation he thought he was in, he's pretty much hosed regardless of what he does.
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 10:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Can she see something? or can she see that something isn't there, but he thinks it is?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 11:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

back on May 31st, you said:"Let's just say that from his perspective, there really isn't a way out of it, but that won't prevent him from trying nonetheless...."

Is the only option that won't make things worse for him to sit tight and let the situation-that-isn't-really-a-situation play itself out? And he can't see this but she can?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 3:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wunderland

Can she see something? Yes or can she see that something isn't there, but he thinks it is? No...and just how does one go about seeing something that "isn't there", regardless of what the other party (parties) involved think?

Rabrab

back on May 31st, you said:"Let's just say that from his perspective, there really isn't a way out of it, but that won't prevent him from trying nonetheless...." Yup, I did, but recall I also said that it's tough to answer without misleading. :)

Is the only option that won't make things worse for him to sit tight and let the situation-that-isn't-really-a-situation play itself out? Well, phrased this way, yes And he can't see this but she can? Yes

Small hint: remember I said in my introductory post that I found this "amusing". Try to channel your creative energies to the more comedic side of things. :)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 4:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK, then, if I saw the situation occuring, but didn't know Billy-Bob or his mother, and didn't know that he had been warned about this situation, would I laugh as well? would I be worried for him? scared for him?

Is the situation that he's (not really) in, inherently funny?
if yes,
on a physical level (he's in some position that looks funny (say, dangling over a swimming pool in his tuxedo?))
on a verbal level? (he's talking, but just digging himself in deeper with everything he says ("No, I didn't mean to say that you're fat, just that those pants look a lot better than the green ones, no, the green ones are nice too, I know they're your favorites, but they make you look kind of pale, no, ...") and he needs to just shut up already?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 5:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK, then, if I saw the situation occuring, but didn't know Billy-Bob or his mother, and didn't know that he had been warned about this situation Well, since Billy-Bob was never in actuality the situation he thought he was in, you won't be seeing the situation that his mom warned him about, would I laugh as well? I think most people would probably laugh would I be worried for him? Maybe a little bit, but that depends on your personality scared for him? I don't think so...more worried than anything.

Is the situation that he's (not really) in, inherently funny? I'm not quite sure I understand your question, so I'll answer it in two ways: The situation that Billy-Bob was in actually in is inherently funny. The situation that Billy-Bob thought that he was is in is probably the furthest thing from "inherently funny" you can find.
if yes,
on a physical level (he's in some position that looks funny (say, dangling over a swimming pool in his tuxedo?)) This one
on a verbal level? (he's talking, but just digging himself in deeper with everything he says ("No, I didn't mean to say that you're fat, just that those pants look a lot better than the green ones, no, the green ones are nice too, I know they're your favorites, but they make you look kind of pale, no, ...") and he needs to just shut up already? Not on a verbal level
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 5:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

**** RECAP/REFOCUS/HINTS *****

Thus far, two relevant characters have been uncovered: a mother and her teenaged son, whom we have named Billy-Bob.

Some time in the past (before the events in this puzzle), the mother had warned Billy-Bob against falling into a particular situation. Otherwise, dire consequences might befall poor Billy-Bob. However, Billy-Bob, in true manner of all rebellious teenaged boys, disregared his mother's warnings, and did in fact somehow fall into the situation his mother warned him about.

For reasons yet to be discovered, Billy-Bob thought that the dire consequences his mother warned him about was about to visit him. He was very frightened by the prospect. The mother, though, saw her son, and realized that he was in no danger. In fact, the reality of what was actually happening was so amusing that she felt compelled to laugh at her poor son.

So, thus far, we have three major elements to deal with:
1) The situation: we know almost nothing about this, save that the mother had warn Billy-Bob about getting himself into this.
2) The consequences: again, we know almost nothing about this, except that 1) according to the mother, it would follow from the situation, 2) Anyone suffering this consequence would be in grave danger, and
3) Billy-Bob thought that he was suffering the consequences
3) What is actually happening: We know that Billy-Bob was not actually suffering the consequences, but in fact was in a situation so amusing that his mother felt compelled to laugh at him.

Some avenues of inquiry:
1) Anything pertaining to the situation and consequence themselves
2) There are some "standard" questions that surprisingly haven't been asked yet. Doing so will help move along this puzzle immensely!
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 7:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In terms of what Billy-Bob thinks is going to happen or is happening:

Something will explode?

That he will fall?

That something other than him will fall?
if yes, is the consequence that he fears:
that the thing will break?
that the thing will break something else?
that the thing will strike him?
the thing will strike someone else?

That something will spill?

That he will be physically punished for getting into the situation?

That he will be beaten up?
if yes, by how many people (insert LTPFLPI here, please)?

That he will be in a crash?

That he will be physically sick?

That he will be damaged by some sort of animal? (clawed, bitten, mauled, gored, etc.)

That he will be shot? stabbed? otherwise assaulted?

That he will put an eye out?

That his face will freeze like that forever?

Does he expect the consequence to him to be death? Serious injury? (multiple broken bone(s)? blunt trauma? bleeding?) several minor injuries (minor broken bones (like his toes, or nose?) bruising? cuts, scrapes and/or scratches? loosened or knocked-out teeth?)


What he did that she warned him about:
eat something?
drink something?
build something?
light something on fire?
go somewhere?
wear something? (refuse to wear something?)
do or say something to a particular person or group of peole?
(attempt to?) move something?
climb somewhere?
jump from something or somewhere?
do something to someone else ("Billy-Bob, if you take your little sister on the Tilt-A-Whirl, she'll throw up on you! You know that she gets scared on that thing.")