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Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 1:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 03:05 pm:

Ayds? weren't those pure caffeine? God, I am dating myself by admitting that I remember them -- but I was never old enough to take them!

By LEWIS ZEITERS (Lzeiters) on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 03:13 pm:

The Internet? well, the Internet is supposedly populist; I'll bet that if a few determined individuals with way too much time on their hands launched a campaign to call the thing, say, "Phil", they would have a reasonable chance of success
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
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government?
system of government?
democracy?

am I in the right forest?
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 2:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 01:52 am:

government? "it" is not a government, but...
system of government?
democracy? it does sound much better than "tyranny of the majority", but sadly, this is not it

am I in the right forest? possibly J
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
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branch of government?
Mosquito (Mosquito)
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Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 02:18 am:

branch of government? more like a department...but we are not referring to "it"
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
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Is a government department "they", then?
Mosquito (Mosquito)
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Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 02:30 am:

Is a government department "they", then? yes
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 2:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the current name often the object of satirical jokes? i.e. the paradox known as military intelligence, etc...
Mosquito (Mosquito)
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By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 02:41 am:

is the current name often the object of satirical jokes? i.e. the paradox known as military intelligence, etc... no, it is not, and neither "they" nor "it" are particularly well-known.
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 3:45 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Department of ___________?
Bureau of _______________?
____________ Committee?
Mosquito (Mosquito)
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By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 03:45 am:

Department of ___________?
Bureau of _______________?
____________ Committee? none of these; but the exact name is not all that important; what is important is what they do
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 3:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Department of Redundancies Department? Oh, wait... that name actually fits...
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 11:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does what they do deal with :
commodities?
securities/investments/money?
transportation? (roads? trains? aircraft? marine transport?)
water? air quality? other natural resources?
animals?
taxes?
laws?
radio/TV?
housing?
health care?
public safety?
law enforcement?

Is this a department that every country has? most countries? some countries? very few countries? only one country?
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 11:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does what they do deal with :
commodities?
securities/investments/money?
transportation? (roads? trains? aircraft? marine transport?)
water? air quality? other natural resources?
animals?
taxes?
laws?
radio/TV?
housing?
health care?
public safety?
law enforcement? none of these; a pretty comprehensive list, but there is at least one more thing that could have been on it...

Is this a department that every country has? most countries? some countries? very few countries? only one country? most countries probably have a similar department; all countries will have departments that deal with this subject. The actual organisation is in the United Kingdom
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 12:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

a pretty comprehensive list, but there is at least one more thing that could have been on it... I was afraid of that...Hmmm. Warning--I'm gonna cheat and take a browse through the government section of the Yellow Pages. Shouldn't take me long, it's only 7 big pages of very small print...

imports?
exports?
liscensing?
gambling/gaming?
corrections? (that'd be jails, by the way)
education?
ethics?
employment or employment services?
welfare?
schools? (Don't ask me how the Department of Education is different from the Department of Public Instruction, because I don't know, but it is, at least around here.)
Occupational Health and Safety?
Veteran's Affairs?
the military?
Tourism?
Women's Affairs?
Minority Affairs?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
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warfare?
public service programs?
Mezzoforte (Mezzoforte)
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environment?
Mosquito (Mosquito)
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By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 12:11 pm:

a pretty comprehensive list, but there is at least one more thing that could have been on it... I was afraid of that...Hmmm. Warning--I'm gonna cheat and take a browse through the government section of the Yellow Pages. Shouldn't take me long, it's only 7 big pages of very small print...

imports?
exports?
liscensing?
gambling/gaming?
corrections? (that'd be jails, by the way)
education? this one
ethics?
employment or employment services?
welfare?
schools? and this too, more specifically(Don't ask me how the Department of Education is different from the Department of Public Instruction, because I don't know, but it is, at least around here.)
Occupational Health and Safety?
Veteran's Affairs?
the military?
Tourism?
Women's Affairs?
Minority Affairs?

By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 02:40 pm:

warfare?
public service programs?

By Mezzoforte (Mezzoforte) on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 03:27 pm:

environment?


and none of the others
Mezzoforte (Mezzoforte)
Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 4:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

junior high?
Mosquito (Mosquito)
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By Mezzoforte (Mezzoforte) on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 04:57 pm:

junior high? no, we are not talking about a school...but this age group is relevant
Mezzoforte (Mezzoforte)
Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 3:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

teachers relevant? students?
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 10:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

University? Colleges? Community colleges? Institutes of higher learning?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 11:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a textbook? a class that the DOE requires be taught?
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 12:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Mezzoforte (Mezzoforte) on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 03:27 pm:

teachers relevant? only peripherally students? yes

By Arjun (Jun) on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 10:03 pm:

University? Colleges? Community colleges? Institutes of higher learning? none of these

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 11:43 pm:

Is it a textbook? no a class that the DOE requires be taught? no, but is is a requirement
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
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required not to have handguns?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
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Is the country involved relevant at all?

Is the requirement made of the schools individually? the school system as a whole? the administrators? the teachers? the students?

Anything to do with standardized testing? proficiency testing?
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 3:08 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa) on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 01:24 am:

required not to have handguns?

in Britain, this is implicit among schoolchildren

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 01:40 am:

Is the country involved relevant at all? in any case, this is something specific that has taken place in Great Britain

Is the requirement made of the schools individually? the school system as a whole? this one the administrators? the teachers? the students? and this one

Anything to do with standardized testing? yes! proficiency testing? and more specifically, yes
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
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Is a specific test the thing that's badly named?

I may have to fall back and let the right-pondians take the lead here, since I don't know what your various tests are called...

Does some proficiency test not really measure proficiency at all?
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 3:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is a specific test the thing that's badly named? yes, in at least one respect

I may have to fall back and let the right-pondians take the lead here, since I don't know what your various tests are called... well, the fact that it is a proficiency test, and the subject, (ok, as I am not cruel, English) are enough
Does some proficiency test not really measure proficiency at all? "at all" might be putting too fine a point on it, but...
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
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Does it really measure lack of proficiency? or is some skill that is a part of proficiency in English not measured by it? (frex, the scorers aren't allowed to mark off for misspellngs?)
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 4:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 04:14 am:

Does it really measure lack of proficiency? no, but...
or is some skill that is a part of proficiency in English not measured by it? (frex, the scorers aren't allowed to mark off for misspellngs?) spot on! $poiler to follow
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 4:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

******SPOILER********

Examiners marking an English test taken by 600,000 14-year-olds have been told not to deduct marks for incorrect spelling on the main writing paper, worth nearly a third of the overall marks.

The rule, issued by the Qualifications and Curriculum Authority, means that pupils could spell every word wrongly in the most significant piece of writing that they are required to do and yet still receive full marks.


full text at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/05/15/nspell15.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/05/15/ixhome.html

Well done, Barbara, and thanks to everyone who participated!
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 4:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

oh, a bit more I should have added...

The paper, called the "longer writing task", is part of the national curriculum English test taken in more than 3,000 secondary schools on May 6. The tests are regarded as a good indicator of GCSE achievement.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 4:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Say wha-huh? They -what-?

I thought that was too off-the-wall to be it.

Good puzzle, too.

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