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Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 4:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

try to avoid explosions?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 8:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You answered "Yes but..." to the question of whether the firemen usually work in a city. Is that "Yes, but the crossbows typically enter the equation in assignments outside the city"?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 9:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

MAJOR BLOOPER ALERT:

Are these firemen not here for the purposes of putting out fires? they are Executing people? they are NOT

Sorry for that - now I understand some of those strange questions :). Now, what do we learn from that? You never shouldn't pay extra attention when answering negated questions

are forest fires relevant? no animals? no

"Executing people? they are" You sound like Yoda! Anyway, which people are they executing? None, see above. A mistake I have made. Hang my head in shame I will.


Are these crossbows meant to be used to set off explosives? quite the contrary chemicals? quite the contrary I.e. in the mountain areas where they use controlled explosions to set off miniature avalanches before they have a serious one. nothing like this


I think Martin has indicated that they were intended to prevent an explosion... exactly

They don't use them at every fire--does it depend on the construction of whatever's burning? not the construction, but... The materials used? yope For example, for wooden roofs (shake or shingle) they might use an axe, but for slate or metal roofs they use a crossbow to make holes in it? no, but they do make holes Or does it depend more on the size of the building? not really


Would the firefighters (politically correct alternative to "firemen") typically use the crossbows inside a structure/building? I guess so Aim them at a buidling from outside that building? no Aim them outside/away from a building while in that building? sometimes this, too

Do the crossbows primarily:
aid in saving lives of other firefighers? this
aid in saving lives of victims of fires? this
aid in putting out fires?
aid in preventing a fire from starting?
aid in preventing a fire from spreading? this

When these bolts are fired from the crossbow, are they usually aimed at part of the building structure? no a random object? no a strategic target? yes an object that was brought into the building by the crossbow carrier or another firefighter? no

When the bolt strikes its target, does it immediately trigger another action? It makes a hole, that's it. more than one action?


try to avoid explosions? yes


You answered "Yes but..." to the question of whether the firemen usually work in a city. Is that "Yes, but the crossbows typically enter the equation in assignments outside the city"? no, it is they only work in specific places in a city.
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 10:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the holes intended to let something out (e. g. smoke, gases, heat etc.)? Or to let something in?

Sprinklers relevant? Water storage? Fire extinguishing systems?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 10:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In typical movie fashion, are the bolts meant to cut off the fuse of something that's about to set off an explosion? Are the bolts meant to put holes in something that contains water, which would help put out the fire/prevent an explosion? I.e. shoot a nearby water tower? or the pipes in the wall? holes in the fire hoses to create a sprinkler system? Shoot out windows to create a possible escape route/air passage?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 4:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the holes intended to let something out yes (e. g. smoke, gases mostly this, heat etc.)? Or to let something in? b{no}

Sprinklers relevant? Water storage? Fire extinguishing systems? no to all


In typical movie fashion, are the bolts meant to cut off the fuse of something that's about to set off an explosion? no Are the bolts meant to put holes in something that contains water, which would help put out the fire/prevent an explosion? no I.e. shoot a nearby water tower? no or the pipes in the wall? no holes in the fire hoses to create a sprinkler system? no Shoot out windows to create a possible escape route/air passage? no
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 4:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the bolts fired at some kind of household appliance? Something that only certain homes or building have? Something found in most/all homes? Air conditioner? Furnace?

When the bolt hits the target and makes a hole, does gas escape through the hole? In the form of vapor? Liquid? Other form?

Is this a practice only performed in Germany? Would firefighters in other countries have the need to do what these firefighters are doing? Something only in Germany that makes the need for crossbows? Is this done in the U.S. in another form that substitues for crossbows?

Is the crossbow method more primitive than other similar firefighting measures? More advanced? Simply a different way?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 4:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the bolts fired at some kind of household appliance? no Something that only certain homes or building have? yes Something found in most/all homes? no Air conditioner? no Furnace? no

When the bolt hits the target and makes a hole, does gas escape through the hole? yes In the form of vapor? this Liquid? maybe this Other form? maybe even as powder or the likes

Is this a practice only performed in Germany? I don't know Would firefighters in other countries have the need to do what these firefighters are doing? yes Something only in Germany that makes the need for crossbows? no Is this done in the U.S. in another form that substitues for crossbows? I don't know, but I would think so.

Is the crossbow method more primitive than other similar firefighting measures? More advanced? this, I'd say Simply a different way?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 9:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the crossbow used to vent explosive gas in a safe way before the fire can get to it? To minimize an explosion? If they fired a gun the same way they used crossbows (if guns were legal in germany anyway), would it trigger the same effect? safely? Or would the gas ignite? Is the fact that guns are outlawed relevant?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 12:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the crossbow used to vent explosive gas in a safe way before the fire can get to it? no To minimize an explosion? yes If they fired a gun the same way they used crossbows (if guns were legal in germany anyway), would it trigger the same effect? I guess so safely? no Or would the gas ignite? subjective Is the fact that guns are outlawed relevant? they are?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 8:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the gas itself what actually minimizes the explosion? Is it a specific type of gas? If specific, can this gas ignite? Does the gas suphocate the fire? Does the gas combine with/ eat up all the oxygen in the area? Is this gas oxygen?
Is the gas in the noble gas family? The halogens? *glances at her periodic table* Oh just tell me the gas!
Kapil Kapur (Dinkie)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 10:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the gas hydrogen ? so that it combines with oxygen to form water ?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 3:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the gas itself what actually minimizes the explosion? yope Is it a specific type of gas? no If specific, can this gas ignite? possibly Does the gas suphocate the fire? no Does the gas combine with/ eat up all the oxygen in the area? no Is this gas oxygen? no
Is the gas in the noble gas family? sometimes The halogens? sometimes *glances at her periodic table* Oh just tell me the gas! it could be any gas


is the gas hydrogen? sometimes so that it combines with oxygen to form water ? that is not what's intended
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 3:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They carry the crossbows so that the gas can go through the hole!
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 3:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the bolts aimed at fire extinguishers?
Items that homeowners willingly purchase and bring into their house?
Items that builders/construction contracters place in the building?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 8:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They carry the crossbows so that the gas can go through the hole! yepp


Are the bolts aimed at fire extinguishers? no
Items that homeowners willingly purchase and bring into their house? thisish, for svv of 'home'
Items that builders/construction contracters place in the building? no
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 8:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Could the objects that the bolts are fired at be best described by any of the following:
box?
barrell?
tank?
bucket?
bag?
metallic?
plastic?

Are the objects located in a place that would make it difficult for someone to just walk up to and pierce with, say, an axe or other sharp hand-held object? Is this why the bolts are fired rather than approaching the object?

When firing, are the crossbows typically aimed horizontally? vertically? at an upward angle, relative to horizon? at a downward angle?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 11:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Could the objects that the bolts are fired at be best described by any of the following:
barrel

Are the objects located in a place that would make it difficult for someone to just walk up to and pierce with, say, an axe or other sharp hand-held object? possibly Is this why the bolts are fired rather than approaching the object? no

When firing, are the crossbows typically aimed horizontally? this vertically? at an upward angle, relative to horizon? at a downward angle? probably this, too
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 8:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the barrels pressurized? if not pierced, could the heat from a fire cause them to burst? Is the fear of the barrel bursting the reason holes are shot into them?
Are the gases themselves dangerous? beneficial? neither?

winemaking/ fermentation involved?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 8:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

on more - are the contents of the barrels volatile or flammable?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 9:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the barrels pressurized? sometimes if not pierced, could the heat from a fire cause them to burst? yes Is the fear of the barrel bursting the reason holes are shot into them? yes
Are the gases themselves dangerous? beneficial? neither? subjective
winemaking/ fermentation involved? no
are the contents of the barrels volatile or flammable? subjective

spioler coming right up
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 9:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

***** SPOILER *****

Some german firemen have crossbows in their equipment. Why?

Those are specialized firefighters that work in chemical plants. To prevent barrels from bursting (or exploding), they pierce them with the crossbow bolts to depressurize them.
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 9:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Interesting, most interesting...

Good puzzle

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