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Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 7:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When wifey makes these statements, are she and her husband at home? The original statement was made in here, and the "reversed" statement was made yope'ishly in here In a shop? Another building? In the street? The "reversed" statement can be said to have been made yope'ishly in here too On some mode of transportation? Talking on the phone?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 11:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were the statements concerning the Murderer? Husband? Wife? A totally different topic?

Relevant where the statesment were made?

Did Wife reverse a decision she had made, and told Husband, which cause Husband to leave, and thereby fall in the murder by Murderer?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 12:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The reversed statment was yopishly made at home and in the street, eh? Did she shout it at her husband after he had left the house?

Was she in the house and her husband in the street? Was she in the street and her husband in the house?
Ally McCabe (Strongplacebo)
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 12:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she say it while leaving the house?
Was the murderer walking past the house? About to come to the door? About to break in? Already in the house?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 9:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Vaetrus

Were the statements concerning the Murderer? Husband? Wife? A totally different topic? This one

Relevant where the statesment were made? Yes

Did Wife reverse a decision she had made, and told Husband, which cause Husband to leave, and thereby fall in the murder by Murderer? Yope

Rabrab

The reversed statment was yopishly made at home and in the street, eh? Yes Did she shout it at her husband after he had left the house? There's a small FA here, but yes

Was she in the house and her husband in the street? Same small FA, but subject to that, yes. Was she in the street and her husband in the house? No

Strongplacebo

Did she say it while leaving the house? Which one are you referring to? There were two statements made.
Was the murderer walking past the house? About to come to the door? About to break in? Already in the house? No to all -- what has been uncovered is sufficient -- that the murderer is within earshot distance of the couple. There is a small FA here, though, and it is the same one that Barbara made.
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 11:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is their home not a house?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 11:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

FA that the home is a house, like Wunderland beat me to?

If so, is "home" an apartment? a trailer/caravan/RV?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 4:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wunderland

Is their home not a house? Yes...FA removed!

Rabrab

FA that the home is a house, like Wunderland beat me to? Yep...read previous answer.

If so, is "home" an apartment? This one -- and look on the bright side....at least you managed to salvage something. :) a trailer/caravan/RV?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 8:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would the puzzle not work if they lived in a house? or did they just happen to live in an apartment in the comic strip?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 9:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the reversed statement lead the murderer to believe that he would get away with killing the man? That the woman wanted her husband dead? That she wouldn't know if he was killed?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 9:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wunderland

Would the puzzle not work if they lived in a house? or did they just happen to live in an apartment in the comic strip? Hmmm...good question. While technically speaking, this puzzle could work with a house, I think it's much more realistic that the couple lived in an apartment. And yes, in the comic strip, it was an apartment.

Rabrab

Did the reversed statement lead the murderer to believe that he would get away with killing the man? That the woman wanted her husband dead? That she wouldn't know if he was killed? None of these, sorry!
Ally McCabe (Strongplacebo)
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 11:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the RS make the murderer believe the husband was someone else?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 3:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the RS make the murderer believe the husband was someone else? No
Ally McCabe (Strongplacebo)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 8:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the RS give the murderer motive? Opportunity?
Was the way the RS was phrased, what caused the murderer to strike? Or just the content?
Was the RS a true statement? false? Just an opinion?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 4:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the RS give the murderer motive? YES...good question! Opportunity? Tough to answer...I'd say Yope is probably most accurate here.
Was the way the RS was phrased, what caused the murderer to strike? Or just the content? This is closest
Was the RS a true statement? false? Just an opinion? RS was none of the above! In fact, there could be a tiny FA there....
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 6:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was RS an instruction?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 8:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was RS an instruction? YES -- good question!
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 8:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the original statement an instruction to go somewhere particular? and the reversal an instruction to not go there? to go somewhere else instead? to not go at all?

Was the original statement an instruction to see or talk to a specific person? and the reversal an instruction to not go? not see? them? to go to? or talk to someone else instead?

Was the original statement an instruction to do something? and the reversal an instruction to not do it? to do something else instead?

Was the original statement an instruction to not do something, and the reversal an instruction to do it?
Ally McCabe (Strongplacebo)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 8:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

With the RS, was she instructing him to do something? Not do something? Go somewhere? Not go somewhere?
Did the RS make the murderer believe this man deserved to die? That the murderer would gain something from killing him? That the murderer would be worse off if the man remained alive?
Any chance we can give them some names? :)
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 9:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Rabrab

Was the original statement an instruction to go somewhere particular? Yes and the reversal an instruction to not go there? No to go somewhere else instead? No to not go at all? No

Was the original statement an instruction to see or talk to a specific person? Not explicitly, but this was strongly implied and the reversal an instruction to not go? No not see? No them? No to go to? No or talk to someone else instead? No

Was the original statement an instruction to do something? Yes and the reversal an instruction to not do it? No to do something else instead? Technically speaking, yes, but this is perhaps a bit misleading

Was the original statement an instruction to not do something, and the reversal an instruction to do it? No

Strongplacebo

With the RS, was she instructing him to do something? This one Not do something? Go somewhere? Not explicitly stated, but implied Not go somewhere?
Did the RS make the murderer believe this man deserved to die? No That the murderer would gain something from killing him? Yes That the murderer would be worse off if the man remained alive? No
Any chance we can give them some names? :) Sure. The husband shall be called 'Victor', seeing as he's the victim. The murderer shall be called 'Mark', and the wife shall be called 'Ida', because quite frankly, as mentioned during one of the firsts posts of the puzzle, she was being an idiot.
Ally McCabe (Strongplacebo)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 9:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Ida send Victor out to buy something? Did she tell him to pay in cash? So Mark murdered and robbed him of said cash?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 11:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Ida send Victor out to buy something? No Did she tell him to pay in cash? So no to this as well, but this isn't far from the right forest. So Mark murdered and robbed him of said cash? But yes to this!
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 1:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So the reversal that Mark overheard made him think Victor would have a lot of cash money on his person? Or some other valuable thingies? Safety deposit boxes relevant? Safes?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 1:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Maybe "And drop by the bank and put it away" or similiar?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 3:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bodo

So the reversal that Mark overheard made him think Victor would have a lot of cash money on his person? Yes Or some other valuable thingies? Safety deposit boxes relevant? Safes? No to the rest

Vaetrus

Maybe "And drop by the bank and put it away" or similiar? Yes, this was the general idea. However, going to the bank was never explicitly stated....

MINOR HINT/REFOCUS: You will need to discover the exact contents of both the original and the reversed statement. The general idea is of Victor going to the bank to do some transaction with cash, but the exact details need to be figured out. Do this, and the puzzle is solved.
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 8:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does it concern...
Investments? Stocks? Bonds?
Trust funds? Savings?
Cheques? Pay? Bank accounts?
Exchange rates?
Actual money? In bills and coins? Just bills? Just coins?

For those listed, was it in the OS? the RS? Both?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 9:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And three cheers go up as Vae applies a mini-sledge hammer to this puzzle! :O

Does it concern...
Investments? Stocks? Bonds?
Trust funds? Savings? This one...
Cheques? ...and this one... Pay? Bank accounts? ...and this one...
Exchange rates?
Actual money? ...and this one! In bills and coins? Just bills? Just coins?

For those listed, was it in the OS? the RS? Both? This one!

Good questions. This puzzle should be over soon...
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 3:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, so Victor goes to the bank to do something with savings, cheques, bank accounts, and actual money as well. Both of Ida's statements implied this, wihle not overtly stating bank. Mark overheard the revered statement, and killed Victor. All correct?

So would, "Deposit the cheques into our savings account, please Mark." Then, "Actually, only deposit half, cash the rest."

Or does it have to do with closing accounts? Tranfering money? Deposit? Withdrawal?

Did Victor actually have cash on hand when he was murdered? Or anything of large monetary value, (to do with this puzzles of course)?

Will the money Victor not have be in one of the accounts?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 7:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, so Victor goes to the bank to do something with savings, cheques, bank accounts, and actual money as well. Yes Both of Ida's statements implied this, wihle not overtly stating bank. Well, the original statement could have made an explicit reference to the bank. But the comic strip I based this puzzle on only showed the reversed statement. But other than this minor detail, yes. Mark overheard the reversed statement, and killed Victor. All correct? Yes

So would, "Deposit the cheques into our savings account, please Mark." Then, "Actually, only deposit half, cash the rest." This is actually VERY close, though none of the two statements are correct. Also, it'd be Victor, not Mark. :) Keep plugging away at this, and you'll have solved the puzzle.

Or does it have to do with closing accounts? Tranfering money? Deposit? Both statements dealt with deposits Withdrawal? Nothing else

Did Victor actually have cash on hand when he was murdered? Yes Or anything of large monetary value, (to do with this puzzles of course)? No -- only cold hard cash

Will the money Victor not have be in one of the accounts? I'm not sure I understand this question -- what do you mean by the money Victor "not have"?
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 8:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did her (revised) statement seem to imply that he'd be carrying a large amount of cash?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 9:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did her (revised) statement seem to imply that he'd be carrying a large amount of cash? Yes
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 10:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Deposit both cheques."
"Wait, only put away $X."

"Deposit it all."
"Keep some."
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 4:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Deposit both cheques."
"Wait, only put away $X."

"Deposit it all."
"Keep some."

Close, but not quite -- in particular, the "reversed" is a bit off.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 5:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Deposit these cheques."
"No, on second thought, just cash them."?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 6:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Deposit these cheques."
"No, on second thought, just cash them."?

The general idea is here, but this still isn't quite right.

On looking back at previous answers, I feel that I might have unintentionally misled you guys, so here's a brief recap of what that the topic of conversation between husband and wife was about:

In both cases, the following ideas are relevant:
- cash on hand
- banking accounts
- deposits
- savings
- chequeing

The following are not:
- investments
- stocks and bonds
- payroll
- exchange rates

Hope this helps.
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 6:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The money that was stolen.
Was it cashed cheques?
Withdrawn money?
Pocket money beforehand?
Something taken out of the bank?
Cash that was transformed from another type of denominator?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 6:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The money that was stolen.
Was it cashed cheques?
Withdrawn money?
Pocket money beforehand? This -- though given the amounts we're working with, I don't think "pocket" is the correct description.
Something taken out of the bank?
Cash that was transformed from another type of denominator?
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 7:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she actually mention the amount in her revised statement? Like "On second thought, deposit the $50,000 in cash into savings and..."?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 8:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she actually mention the amount in her revised statement? Like "On second thought, deposit the $50,000 in cash into savings and..."? This is close enough.

***************** SPOILER *********************

This puzzle is based on The Far Side cartoon by Gary Larson. In it, there is a picture of two buildings, one non-descript, and the other one an apartment building. From the generally dark and run-down state of the buildings, one gets the idea that this is far from the best part of town.

In between the building is an alleyway, where there are two or three punks loitering around. The punks are staring at a lone pedestrian male on the sidewalk -- for reasons which will soon become apparent. The man is dressed in a trenchcoat and boater or a derby, but is otherwise unremarkable.

Outside the 3rd or 4th floor window, a woman is leaning out, and she's shouting to the man on the sidewalk, who in turn is looking back up to her. She shouts: "Actually, put the $3000 in the chequing account, and the $2000 in the savings account!"

And I imagine you can fill in the rest for yourself. :)

Thanks to all for playing -- may no idiot shout out at you while you are in a precarious position!

(btw, if someone can find that cartoon and send a link, it'll be most useful. I've tried, but can't seem to find it anymore.)

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