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Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 3:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He put a screwdriver to his ear. Everyone nodded.
Lauren (Lauren)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 3:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he using the screwdriver to point to something? Does the first "his" the same guy as the second "his"? If so, is he human? Is "everyone" human? Are they watching him? In person? On TV? Some other kind of surveillance? Are they nodding in agreement? Understanding?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 4:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lauren (Lauren) on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 03:40 am

Was he using the screwdriver to point to something? No.
Does the first "his" the same guy as the second "his"? "He" = "his"? Yes.
If so, is he human? Yes.
Is "everyone" human? Yes.
Are they watching him? Yes.
In person? Yes.
On TV? No.
Some other kind of surveillance? No.
Are they nodding in agreement? Yes-ish.
Understanding? Yes.
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 6:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did this take place :
At a place of business?
In a home?
Outdoors?

Is everybody :
less than 5 people?
less than 20?
more?


Is a screwdriver in this case the hand tool we've come to know and love?
And not the orange juice and vodka drink?

Is ear injury relevant at all?

Was he in anyway demonstrating something, where the screwdriver was a stand-in/substitute for some other object? For example, was he developing a new type of cellular phone and demonstrating with a screwdriver how close it would need to be held to the ear?

Is he conducting a seminar about objects that are a bad idea to poke into your ear? :)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 6:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Larry Troxler (Quackscience) on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 06:22 am

Did this take place :
At a place of business? Yes.
In a home? No.
Outdoors? Sort of. Yes-ish

Is everybody :
less than 5 people? Yes
less than 20? So yes.
more? No?


Is a screwdriver in this case the hand tool we've come to know and love? Indeed it is.
And not the orange juice and vodka drink? No. But I love the mental image of someone pouring a screwdriver into their ear

Is ear injury relevant at all? No.

Was he in anyway demonstrating something, where the screwdriver was a stand-in/substitute for some other object? No. For example, was he developing a new type of cellular phone and demonstrating with a screwdriver how close it would need to be held to the ear? No... but a lovely lateral leap. 7.6 from the Russian judge.

Is he conducting a seminar about objects that are a bad idea to poke into your ear? No.

Good questions!
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 6:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BLOOOPER ALERT!!!!!

You said : Was he in anyway demonstrating something, where the screwdriver was a stand-in/substitute for some other object? and I said: No.

It would have been more accurate to say YOPE.
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 7:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, you Yopey person :

Here we go :
Instead of a screwdriver, would it matter if instead , the object involved was a pair of scissors?
A pencil?
Any other object at all of the aproximate same size as a screwdriver?
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 7:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

At some point, obviously, the screwdriver came into our hero's possession. Is this time frame relevant?

Apart from that,

Instead of a screwdriver, would the situation be
the same if instead, the object involved were a pair of scissors?

Or a pencil?

Or any other object at all of the aproximate same size as a screwdriver?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 8:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Larry Troxler (Quackscience) on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 07:23 am

Ok, you Yopey person :

Here we go :
Instead of a screwdriver, would it matter if instead , the object involved was a pair of scissors? Hmmm. Yes, it would matter.
A pencil? Yes, it would matter.
Any other object at all of the aproximate same size as a screwdriver? Yes, it would matter.

By Larry Troxler (Quackscience) on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 07:30 am

At some point, obviously, the screwdriver came into our hero's possession. Is this time frame relevant? It's somewhat relevant.

Apart from that,

Instead of a screwdriver, would the situation be
the same if instead, the object involved were a pair of scissors?

Or a pencil?

Or any other object at all of the aproximate same size as a screwdriver?
Any answer to this would be misleading. I could equally honestly answer 'Yes,' 'No,' or 'Yope,' to all, depending on how I choose to interpret the question. I suggest you rephrase to give me less wiggle-room.
Tony (E20)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 11:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When he put the screwdriver to his ear, was he standing? sitting? kneeling? lying down?

Did he say anything as he put the screwdriver to his ear? Could the others hear him?

Was he holding the screwdriver in the normal way (ie by the handle)? Was he holding the blade?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 3:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was he trying to demonstrate how to do something?
was he trying to make a point?
was a physical characteristic of the screwdriver important? or the fact that the audience knew it was a screwdriver?
would it matter if the screwdriver was made all of hard plastic? pliable foam rubber?
did he do anything relevant with the screwdriver before or after the ear thing?
"screw loose" relevant? Van Gogh?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 4:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tony (E20) on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 11:44 am

When he put the screwdriver to his ear, was he standing? Yes.
sitting? kneeling? lying down? No to these.

Did he say anything as he put the screwdriver to his ear? NO! Good question.
Could the others hear him? They could have had he said anything.

Was he holding the screwdriver in the normal way No, but... (ie by the handle)? Yes. Was he holding the blade? No.

dryman (Dryman) on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 03:39 pm

was he trying to demonstrate how to do something? No.
was he trying to make a point? No.
was a physical characteristic of the screwdriver important? Yes. or the fact that the audience knew it was a screwdriver? No.
would it matter if the screwdriver was made all of hard plastic? Some, but not much.
pliable foam rubber? That would matter a great deal, yes.
did he do anything relevant with the screwdriver before or after the ear thing? Mmmm. No.
"screw loose" relevant? No,
Van Gogh? and No.
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 4:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was he doing this to benefit the audience? to benefit himself? would he have done this if the audience was smaller, or no one else was present? are the specific people watching him relevant? had he met them before? did they expect him to put the screwdriver to his ear?
did he have any other relevant object at the time? a hearing aid? ear canal drain? anything physically relevant about his ear area?
Sam Hastings (Sjh)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 4:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did putting the screwdriver up to his ear mean he didn't have to say something? Would he have said something had he not put the screwdriver to his ear/had he not had a screwdriver to hand?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 4:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

dryman (Dryman) on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 04:29 pm

was he doing this to benefit the audience? Not primarily, but it did benefit one member as a side effect.
to benefit himself? Yes.
would he have done this if the audience was smaller, or no one else was present? Yes to both.
are the specific people watching him relevant? Yes, somewhat relevant.
had he met them before? Yope.
did they expect him to put the screwdriver to his ear? Part of the audience undoubtedly did; the other part knew that he might.
did he have any other relevant object at the time? There's another relevant object involved, but he didn't "have" it.
a hearing aid? ear canal drain? None of these.
anything physically relevant about his ear area? Yes, but may mislead.

Sam Hastings (Sjh) on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 04:37 pm

Did putting the screwdriver up to his ear mean he didn't have to say something? No.
Would he have said something had he not put the screwdriver to his ear No.
/had he not had a screwdriver to hand? No, but he might have said something in that case.
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 5:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did he insert the blade or handle end into any part of his ear? allow the blade or handle to touch his ear? touch the blade or handle to something else? did putting the screwdriver to his ear have any relevant physical effect?

was he listening to something?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 5:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

dryman (Dryman) on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 05:07 pm

did he insert the blade or handle end into any part of his ear? No. Neither
allow the blade No. or handle Yes. to touch his ear?
touch the blade Yes. or handle No. to something else?
did putting the screwdriver to his ear have any relevant physical effect? Yes.

was he listening to something? YES!
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 7:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is he a spy?
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 8:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he using the screwdriver to remove something from around his ear?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 10:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was he listening to something with his screwdriver ear or his other ear? listening to something in the screwdriver itself or attached to it? listening to another object? listening to a person?
did putting the screwdriver there allow him to hear better?
is radio reception or some sort of communication/transmission relevant?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 10:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 07:17 pm

is he a spy? No.

Larry Troxler (Quackscience) on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 08:33 pm

Was he using the screwdriver to remove something from around his ear? No.

dryman (Dryman) on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 10:08 pm

was he listening to something with his screwdriver ear or his other ear? Screwdriver ear. listening to something in the screwdriver itself No.
or attached to it? No.
listening to another object? Yes.
listening to a person? No.
did putting the screwdriver there allow him to hear better? Yes.
is radio reception No.
or some sort of communication/transmission relevant? Yes, but may mislead.
Ian (Image)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 10:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he deaf?
Sam Hastings (Sjh)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 10:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So let's recap, he put the handle of the screwdriver to his ear, and the blade to something else, is that right? And he was listening to something?

Was he listening to something in an adjacent room using the screwdriver to somehow amplify vibrations created by the source of the noise through the wall?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 11:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ian (Image) on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 10:43 pm

Is he deaf? No.

Sam Hastings (Sjh) on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 10:51 pm

So let's recap, he put the handle of the screwdriver to his ear, and the blade to something else, is that right? And he was listening to something? All correct!

Was he listening to something in an adjacent room using the screwdriver to somehow amplify vibrations created by the source of the noise through the wall? Yope, but very much on the right track!
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 12:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he using it as a makeshift tuning fork?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 1:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he touch the blade to the thing he was listening to? Did he directly listen to/feel the vibrations through the screwdriver?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
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Lynne (Lynne) on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 12:59 am

Was he using it as a makeshift tuning fork? Too ambiguous to answer directly, but the answer to dryman's questions, below, may answer yours as well.

By dryman (Dryman) on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 01:53 am:

Did he touch the blade to the thing he was listening to? Yes.
Did he directly listen to/feel the vibrations through the screwdriver? Yes to both.
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 2:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he start tapping on the wall? Was he listening for hollow spots? Gas pockets? Trying to find studs? Trying to figure out when the train was coming? When some vehicle was coming?
Trying to find anything?
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 2:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he listening to a car engine?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 6:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 02:23 pm

Did he start tapping on the wall? No.
Was he listening for hollow spots? No.
Gas pockets? No.
Trying to find studs? No.
Trying to figure out when the train was coming? No.
When some vehicle was coming? No.
Trying to find anything? Yes, for svv of "find".

Larry Troxler (Quackscience) on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 02:32 pm

Is he listening to a car engine? Ding ding ding! Yes, he was!
All that's left is some loose ends to tie up: who was 'everyone'? why did they nod? And if you feel like it; what, specifically, was he listening to/for?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 8:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Everyone =
other mechanics?
The family?
students?

Were they indicating that he was listening in the right place? Were they indicating that they understood the demonstration?
*doesn't know enough to know what somebody would be listening for, other than knocking or leaks*
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
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Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 08:10 pm

Everyone =
other mechanics? One of these; his co-worker.
The family? And the other was sort of one of these-- me, the owner of the truck.
students? None of these.

Were they indicating that he was listening in the right place? No.

Were they indicating that they understood the demonstration? aside from the fact that he wasn't doing a demonstration, this one.

*doesn't know enough to know what somebody would be listening for, other than knocking This, pretty much or leaks*

I think that this one is done.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 9:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

**********SPOILER************

A couple weeks before we left on a longish driving trip, I had taken my truck into the shop for some routine service. While I was there,the mechanics noticed that my serpentine belt was cracking, and suggested that I have it changed before the trip. So I did. (The serpentine belt is a long, heavy rubber drive-belt that runs through a nest of pulleys at the front of the engine, and supplies power to virtually everything non-electrical except the brakes. It's vital.)

Several days later, I noticed a chirping sound that seemed to be coming from under the hood. Thinking that the belt might be slipping, I went back to the shop. They opened the hood and listened, and agreed that there was a chirp, and that it shouldn't be doing that, but that they couldn't pinpoint where it was coming from.

One of the mechanics picked up a long, heavy screwdriver, and holding the handle end to his ear, placed the end of the blade against various mechanical bits while the engine was running. When he got to the air conditioner, the screwdriver, acting like a stethoscope, transmitted the amplified chirp to his ear. When he put the screwdriver to his ear, his workmate nodded; that's what he expected. I nodded; I wasn't surprised.

Nicely done, everyone. Dryman for laying the groundwork, Quackscience for filling in the important bits, and dlcygnet for the details.
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 12:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good one Barbara!
Sam Hastings (Sjh)
Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 8:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nice puzzle :-)
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 2:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes, good one, Barbara.

I only guessed it because I've seen my mechanics do that before. One of them actually used a stethescope, although I would think that would be a bit painfull - I mean car engine noises are pretty loud!
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I had one mecahanic years ago who used a stethoscope that he's modified--he'd taken off the rubber disk at the end and inserted a short metal rod in its place.

Incidentally, that's what got you the Yope on your question of 10/02/05 10:22 -- he wasn't demonstrating anything, but the screwdriver was a stand-in for something else. I hate Yope-ing questions.
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 5:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


Quote:

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 03:40 am:


Incidentally, that's what got you the Yope on your question of 10/02/05 10:22 -- he wasn't demonstrating anything, but the screwdriver was a stand-in for something else. I hate Yope-ing questions.




Hmm, I'm a bit new here, but when I asked the question, by "stand-in", I was asking whether the screwdriver was in fact just a prop for something else. Of course, I should have been more precise about it.

So, If you had just answered "no" or "noish" it would not have mislead me in the least, although I suppose it could have mislead others who read my question differently!

Wow, I guess it's more difficult then it seems at first glance in this forum, to ask and answer questions in an unambigous way! (?)

I'm not at all faulting you, since my question was
most likely ill-formed. I guess I'm just stating would you old-timers already know, and what I'm just learning, that it's surprisingly difficult sometimes to know what answers to give to vague questions.

And I guess the corrollary is that our questions should be as precise as possible.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 5:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, Yope means "Yes and No." which was the true answer to the question the way you phrased it-- was he demonstrating something (No) with the screwdriver as a stand-in (Yes, if he'd had a stethoscope he'd have used that..) You sort of mooshed two questions together.

Some puzzlers are very very precise about answering exactly the question you asked. Some answer the spirit rather than the letter. Some (I'm one of them) do both, depending on the question.

Taking a browse back through the 'solved puzzles' lists will give you some idea of who does what.

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