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dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 7:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Because of an increase in crime where she does her shopping, after exiting the store Diane left all her purchases unattended and calmly walked away.
Tony (E20)
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 10:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Diane involved with the increase in crime as a perpetrator? As a victim?

Is the crime which is increasing related to theft? violence? criminal damage? arson? car crime?

Does the shopping which Diane leaves unattended contain food? clothes? household cleaning materials? electrical goods? cutlery?

Does she intend to return for her shopping later?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 4:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

does leaving her purchases give her a better chance that they will not be stolen? they are not attended by any human, i presume - are they locked up?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 4:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Diane involved with the increase in crime as a perpetrator? no As a victim? no

Is the crime which is increasing related to theft? yes violence? no criminal damage? no arson? no car crime? no

Does the shopping which Diane leaves unattended contain food? this one clothes? household cleaning materials? electrical goods? cutlery?

Does she intend to return for her shopping later? yes

does leaving her purchases give her a better chance that they will not be stolen? not exactly
they are not attended by any human, i presume correct
are they locked up? no
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 5:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the store online?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 5:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the store online? no. but that would've made a good puzzle too!
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 5:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does Diane work in law enforcement?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 5:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does Diane work in law enforcement? no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 5:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she lock 'em in her car?

Relevant what she purchased? Was it a pet store?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 5:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she lock 'em in her car? no

Relevant what she purchased? not really Was it a pet store? no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 5:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dang, here I'm thinking maybe she bought a bag o' snakes or hissing cockroaches or something...

Relevant where exactly she left 'em? Relevant what kinds of things are being stolen?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 5:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does she leave it unattended to ensure she doesn't get robbed in person?
Did she leave her purse behind?

Will she return for her items after it has been throughly checked by theives?
Will there be items left behind for her to take when she returns? To take home?

Honor System relevant? (Tit-for-Tat? Quid Pro Quo?)

Did she buy extra items she she knew she did not need? And thereby expect those items to be gone?

Did she meet with any theives beforehand?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 5:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dang, here I'm thinking maybe she bought a bag o' snakes or hissing cockroaches or something... no - sounds tasty though!

Relevant where exactly she left 'em? yes Relevant what kinds of things are being stolen? yes

Does she leave it unattended to ensure she doesn't get robbed in person? no
Did she leave her purse behind? no

Will she return for her items after it has been throughly checked by theives? no
Will there be items left behind for her to take when she returns? yes To take home? yes

Honor System relevant? not really Tit-for-Tat? no Quid Pro Quo? no

Did she buy extra items she she knew she did not need? no And thereby expect those items to be gone? no

Did she meet with any theives beforehand? no
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 8:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is she leave the items directly in front of the store?

In a specific location?
A location only certain people can access?
A general location?

If she did not leave the items, would she have been robbed in person? Worse than leaving the items behind?

Is there only food in the bag?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 11:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is she leave the items directly in front of the store? yes

In a specific location? yes
A location only certain people can access? no

If she did not leave the items, would she have been robbed in person? no

Is there only food in the bag? irrel
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 5:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she mark off an area with biohazard tape or something and leave her purchases there?

Sorry if that's a little feeble--I'm still pouting over it not being a Bag o' Snakes (assorted sizes)...
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 4:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she mark off an area with biohazard tape or something and leave her purchases there? no
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 4:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the entrance/exit of the store lead into a mall or directly to the street or carpark?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 9:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the entrance/exit of the store lead into a mall or directly to the street or carpark? onto the carpark (or parking lot for us yanks)
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 10:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does she go to her car after she has left them? Can she still see her goods from her car?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 10:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does she go to her car after she has left them? yes Can she still see her goods from her car? maybe not
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 11:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does she drive off?
Does somebody else pick them up for her? (as opposed to stealing them)
Is this a sting?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 11:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Once she got in her car, did she drive to where her groceries were? (one of the stores here has a sort of corral where you can park your cart and drive up to load the bags, instead of taking the carts out into the parking lot. They give you a numbered tag at the checkout, and hang a matching tag on the cart, and there is an employee at the corral to check your tag against the one on the cart, so the carts aren't exactly "unattended"...)
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 1:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lynne (Lynne) on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 11:11 pm:
Does she drive off? yesish
Does somebody else pick them up for her? (as opposed to stealing them) no
Is this a sting? no


By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 11:46 pm:
Once she got in her car, did she drive to where her groceries were? YES

one of the stores here has a sort of corral where you can park your cart and drive up to load the bags, instead of taking the carts out into the parking lot. exactly the right idea! now, just fill in why the increase in crime made her do this and you've got yourself a sp0iler

They give you a numbered tag at the checkout, and hang a matching tag on the cart, and there is an employee at the corral to check your tag against the one on the cart, so the carts aren't exactly "unattended"... this doesn't happen here; they're just left out in the "corral". so, I guess the honor system actually is partly involved!
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 2:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So she could leave her purse shut in the (locked?) car while she loaded the groceries in the trunk?

The increase in crime --were people being mugged in the parking lot? car-jacked? is the parking lot huge? poorly-lit? isolated?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 2:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, wait--is the increased crime the theft of shopping carts? so the store put up barriers to keep people from taking them out of a specified area?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 3:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Will all of her items stay intact and be all accounted for when she returns for them?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 3:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So she could leave her purse shut in the (locked?) car while she loaded the groceries in the trunk? no

The increase in crime --were people being mugged in the parking lot? car-jacked? is the parking lot huge? poorly-lit? isolated? none of these

Oh, wait--is the increased crime the theft of shopping carts? so the store put up barriers to keep people from taking them out of a specified area? dingdingdingding correct! :)

Will all of her items stay intact and be all accounted for when she returns for them? yes

******* SPOILER *******
After a problem with several empty (but still fairly expensive) shopping carts being stolen from the lot by teenagers, the supermarket has customers leave their carts in a small "corral" adjacent to the store instead of pushing them out to their cars. Because Diane's many bagfuls of Dr. Aahh, Mr. Aahh! and Mr. Ahhh! are so heavy, she walks back to her car and drives over to pick them up.
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 3:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I remember zooming hazardously down Hill Street in an old shopping cart when I was about 12 or so. But we didn't steal it though, we found it in a vacant lot. I swear!
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 4:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

{Nice puzzle.

The town I grew up in had several grocery stores that had barriers and turnstiles between the store and the parking lot so that the carts stayed up near the store. Pain in the butt to load a lot of bags ..}

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