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Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 7:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, so we are still talking about smileys, transcribed or otherwise?
Here on the LTPF, we have two forms of smileys; those that are intercepted by the forum software and "transcribed" into a bitmap, i.e. :), and those that aren't (which I prefer) i.e. (:, Is this the kind of transcription we're talking about here?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 7:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 07:56 pm:


Ok, so we are still talking about smileys, transcribed or otherwise? Yes
Here on the LTPF, we have two forms of smileys; those that are intercepted by the forum software and "transcribed" into a bitmap, i.e. , and those that aren't (which I prefer) i.e. (:, Is this the kind of transcription we're talking about here?
Just the non-transcribed ones - this medium would only do 'plain text'!
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 8:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ooooh - have just thought - I think yours would be happy! Oh no!
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 8:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They would - that means this puzzle has completely changed!
OK, why would yours be happy, but most people's sad>
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 8:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are we specifically talking about the smiley that goes : ( without the space between the : and the (?
And it should be transcribed in some way?
Or it is itself a transcription from something else?
And we need to find out what that something else is?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 8:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mine would be happy?
Because I'm Norwegian? Scandinavian? Such a nice person? Such a conceited person?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 8:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 08:03 pm:


Are we specifically talking about the smiley that goes : ( without the space between the : and the (? Well that's how they would be 'miserable', yes
And it should be transcribed in some way?
Or it is itself a transcription from something else?
And we need to find out what that something else is?
I'm not sure what you mean. I think you need to find out more about the medium

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 08:07 pm:


Mine would be happy? Well your preferred ones would be happy
Because I'm Norwegian? Scandinavian? Such a nice person? Such a conceited person? Of course! Although, actually none of these are relevant to this particular puzzle
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 8:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, I mean, does one start with the : ( smiley, transcribe it, and end up with something else?
Or does one transcribe something else and end up with : (?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 8:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 08:17 pm:


Well, I mean, does one start with the : ( smiley
No - and you have sorted out the most important point
, transcribe it, and end up with something else?
Or does one transcribe something else and end up with : (?

You start by creating what you think is a smiley, but ends up being a misery
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 8:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This is most singular. It seems to be much like what happens when I try making food in the kitchen (which, admittedly, does not happen often).

And you try to create the smiley by forming it in some material?
Such as, paper and pencil, clay, wood, or whatever?
Is the LTPF relevant?
Is this very puzzle relevant (apart from the fact that it is the puzzle being under attack for the moment)?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 8:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 08:26 pm:


This is most singular. It seems to be much like what happens when I try making food in the kitchen (which, admittedly, does not happen often). Well our dinner is burning as I type :)

And you try to create the smiley by forming it in some material? Not really
Such as, paper and pencil, clay, wood, or whatever? You could use a pencil and another object, wood, but paper and clay wouldn't work
Is the LTPF relevant? No
Is this very puzzle relevant (apart from the fact that it is the puzzle being under attack for the moment)? No
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 12:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well our dinner is burning as I type Nice to know that you have your priorities right! (:

If one were to use a pencil, would one draw/write with it?
Or use it as part of a figure?
"Another object" - important to find out what that would be?
Could it be different things?
Would a dinner table made of wood do?
A computer mause made of wood?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 12:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

For "mause" read "mouse"
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 7:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 12:30 pm:


Well our dinner is burning as I type Nice to know that you have your priorities right! (:

If one were to use a pencil, would one draw/write with it? No - good question, definitely not
Or use it as part of a figure? No
"Another object" - important to find out what that would be? Not really, just a certain property
Could it be different things? Yes
Would a dinner table made of wood do? Yes, this would be perfect
A computer mause made of wood? Yes, probably. I didn't realise Norwegian technology was so behind the times! :P
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 10:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I didn't realise Norwegian technology was so behind the times! I thought that was general knowledge

So, would a pencil and a dinner table be all that one would need?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 3:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 10:00 am:


I didn't realise Norwegian technology was so behind the times! I thought that was general knowledge

So, would a pencil and a dinner table be all that one would need?
Yes, that would do. More technical equipment is used when it's done professionally
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 6:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are you telling me there are people who make a living creating transcribed smileys? The world is even sicker than I thought.

So you wouldn't draw anything on the table with the pencil?
Is the pencil itself part of the finished product?
Is the table part of the finished product?
Is this some work of "emperor's new clothes"-type modern art (like when you come from the grocer's with a plastic bag of groceries, and decide to visit the local art gallery on the way home. You place the groceries in a corner before walking off to look at the art. When you come back, your bag of groceries has just received 1st price for creativity and contemporary satire, and you're offered £1000000 for it.)?
Will there be woodchips around after the work is finished, but before one has tidied up?
If so, from the table? From the pencil?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 5:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 06:29 am:


So you wouldn't draw anything on the table with the pencil? No
Is the pencil itself part of the finished product? No
Is the table part of the finished product? No
Is this some work of "emperor's new clothes"-type modern art (like when you come from the grocer's with a plastic bag of groceries, and decide to visit the local art gallery on the way home. You place the groceries in a corner before walking off to look at the art. When you come back, your bag of groceries has just received 1st price for creativity and contemporary satire, and you're offered £1000000 for it.)? Wow! I never thought of that! Although I have heard rumours about fire extinguishers and light switches. No
Will there be woodchips around after the work is finished, but before one has tidied up?
If so, from the table? From the pencil? No

I hope I haven't accidentally misled you in this one. Would a recap help?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 7:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is any physical material at all part of the finished product?
Is this some kind of performing "art"?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 8:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 07:47 am:


Is any physical material at all part of the finished product? No
Is this some kind of performing "art"? No, it's a method of doing something quite standard and basic
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 9:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this some way of indicating that one is miserable?
Is it something akin to lifting your arms and waving your index and middle fingers to indicate quotes and/or irony (not sure if this is a common thing outside Norway")?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 10:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 09:38 am:


Is this some way of indicating that one is miserable? No - the smilies would just be a small part of the whole
Is it something akin to lifting your arms and waving your index and middle fingers to indicate quotes and/or irony (not sure if this is a common thing outside Norway")? I've just done it, and yes it is common outside Norway, but I wish I'd shut the curtains! No, it's nothing to do with this
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 10:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, if I were in outer space with only the table and the pencil, could I make the smilies?
Is my own body part of the scheme? Part of the necessary materials needed?
Would I be able to see the smilies? Would I need a mirror?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 11:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 10:59 am:


So, if I were in outer space with only the table and the pencil, could I make the smilies? No
Is my own body part of the scheme? Part of the necessary materials needed? Well you need to move the pencil
Would I be able to see the smilies? No - not at all Would I need a mirror?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 11:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's a bit of a leap of imagination on my part to call them smilies!
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 12:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So I need something in addition to the table and the pencil, then.
Air?
Gravity?
A floor?
Are the smilies temporary?
How would I use the table - would I move it?
Stand on it?
Place something on it?
Move the pencil - in a particular pattern?
Would the pencil touch anything while being moved?
Could this be done in complete darkness, given sufficient "inner eye" imagination and body coordination?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 12:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

HINT: "Would I be able to see the smilies? No - not at all" - so what are the other option?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 12:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 12:53 pm:


So I need something in addition to the table and the pencil, then.
Air? Yes
Gravity? Well only as much as you ever do
A floor? Again, the table needs to be stood on something
Are the smilies temporary? yes
How would I use the table - would I move it?
Stand on it?
Place something on it? This is closest, although not right
Move the pencil - in a particular pattern? Yes
Would the pencil touch anything while being moved? Yes
Could this be done in complete darkness, given sufficient "inner eye" imagination and body coordination? Yes
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 12:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nice hint - but I would appreciate it if you answered my questions, too. :P

The other option? Well, to hear them maybe?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 12:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 12:56 pm:


Nice hint - but I would appreciate it if you answered my questions, too. :P I know, simultaneous posting!

The other option? Well, to hear them maybe? YES!
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hmh. Morse code relevant?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 01:03 pm:


Hmh. Morse code relevant?
Yes
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the looks of a pattern of written morse code relevant?
._.?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 01:13 pm:


Are the looks of a pattern of written morse code relevant?
._.?
Not this
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I reckon you tap the pencil on the table, then?
Would you generate a "sad" sound pattern?
A particular letter? Word?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 01:44 pm:


I reckon you tap the pencil on the table, then? Yes
Would you generate a "sad" sound pattern?
A particular letter? Word?
Well, no you'd think you were tapping a smilie, but...
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 8:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would one be conscious of what morse codes one were tapping?
Would one be tapping a colon followed by a parantheses?
Or similar?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 9:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 08:48 pm:


Would one be conscious of what morse codes one were tapping?
Would one be tapping a colon followed by a parantheses?
Yes! - exactly that, apart from you who would prefer to do it the other way round
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 9:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hmmm...
I've looked up several morse code pages on the web, and none of them specify a code for parentheses. Is that relevant?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 7:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 09:59 am:


Hmmm...
I've looked up several morse code pages on the web, and none of them specify a code for parentheses. Is that relevant?
Not sure why. I used a morse code translator to try this out
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 4:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You've pretty much got this so...

************* SPOILER ******************
If the current habit common in electronic communication of using smileys :) to express emotion were to catch on in the Morse code world, all the smileys produced as above would be miserable. :(

As I understand it, Morse code only has one 'bracket' and it depends on whether there are any previously as to whether it is interpreted as a ( or a ). Unless the smiley appears within a bracketed phrase, or unless produced as (: all smileys will be interpreted as :(
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Monday, February 20, 2006 - 10:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So in morse code, (which I have virtually never used (that I can remember anyway) nor had much need for), this sentence would be impossible to render accurately?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Monday, February 20, 2006 - 11:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

as far as I know (although I'm no expert (:)))

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