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Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 8:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lilac committed suicide & made it look like murder. She wasn't trying to avoid religious sanctions against suicide, nor was there any particular person she wanted to frame for murder. How come??
Ian (Image)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 9:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

She wanted her family to be able to collect life insurance?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 9:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

emailed
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 10:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ian (Image) on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 09:03 pm:

She wanted her family to be able to collect life insurance? no
Ally McCabe (Strongplacebo)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 10:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it accidental that her actions made it look like murder? Or intentional?
Anyone else relevant? Was she trying to avoid making someone feel they had driven her to suicide? Did she want people to not think badly of her?
Was she under suspicion for something else? That suicide would make her look guilty for? Are her reasons for killing herself relevant? Method?
Was someone charged for her murder? relevant?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 10:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 09:18 pm:

emailed I did not receive an email from you:(:(:(:(:
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 11:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ally McCabe (Strongplacebo) on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 10:17 pm:

Was it accidental that her actions made it look like murder? no Or intentional? yes
Anyone else relevant? yes Was she trying to avoid making someone feel they had driven her to suicide? no Did she want people to not think badly of her? no
Was she under suspicion for something else? noThat suicide would make her look guilty for? no Are her reasons for killing herself relevant? no Method? yes
Was someone charged for her murder? yes relevant? yes
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 11:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

While there was not a particular person she wanted to frame, did she want someone to be accused?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 11:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the person charged a relative? Someone in the immediate family? A neighbour? A friend? A co-worker?

Did she use:
poison? a gun? a rope? a knife?
water? glass? acid? drugs?
metal? a motor vehicle?

And if not those,
a man made object? a naturally occuring object?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 5:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Rephrasing Bodo's question: did Lilac know that the person who would be charged with her murder would be charged? Was this her intent?

Is the person who was charged with Lilac's murder male? female? Can he/she have a name?

Is (or was) Lilac human? Is her age relevant? her nationality? her profession? her religion?

Does (or could) this take place in modern times? Is it relevant in which country it takes place?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 6:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the address on your profile correct? Do you have another?
Paul S (Psdubl07)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 9:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she want someone she knew to be involved in the arrest/prosecution of the person charged for any reason?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 9:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was anybody even charged with her murder? Did she want to wind up on television? And she thought the best way to do it was to wind up on "Unsolved Murders"?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 7:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 11:06 pm:

While there was not a particular person she wanted to frame, did she want someone to be accused? yes

By Vae (Vaetrus) on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 11:08 pm:

Was the person charged a relative?possibly Someone in the immediate family?ditto A neighbour?ditto A co-worker? ditto

Did she use:
poison? no a gun? no a rope? no a knife? no
water? just to swallow the drugs glass? no acid? no drugs? yesish
metal no a motor vehicle? no

And if not those,
a man made object? a naturally occuring object?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 8:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And if not those,
a man made object? yes a naturally occuring object? no
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 8:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Johanna (Buzzard) on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 05:06 pm:

Rephrasing Bodo's question: did Lilac know that the person who would be charged with her murder would be charged? yes Was this her intent? yes

Is the person who was charged with Lilac's murder male? irrel female? ditto Can he/she have a name? yes. Oh--you want a name--How about Blake?

Is (or was) Lilac human? yes Is her age relevant? yes her nationality?no her profession? no her religion? yesish

Does (or could) this take place in modern times? yes Is it relevant in which country it takes place? yes

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 06:54 pm:

Is the address on your profile correct? yes Do you have another? no
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 8:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Paul S (Psdubl07) on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 09:26 pm:

Did she want someone she knew to be involved in the arrest/prosecution of the person charged for any reason? no

By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 09:55 pm:

Was anybody even charged with her murder? yes Did she want to wind up on television? noish And she thought the best way to do it was to wind up on "Unsolved Murders"? no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 8:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

She wanted someone in particular to be charged with her murder but not a specific individual known to her?

Was it a person in a particular position/job? With a particular title?

In other words, it wasn't that she wanted Blake to be charged per se but that she wanted the person holding Blake's position (who happened to be Blake) to be charged?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 8:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the method of death:
medicine? Overdose? Underdose?

Does it take place in North America? Europe? Asia? Anartica? Oceania? South America? Africa? International waters?
Third-World Country? First-World? Other/Unknown?

Was she a teen? Adult? Near mid-life? Elderly? Infant?

Was she part of an Organized Religion? Other?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 10:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Fine.
Did she suffocate?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 5:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 08:28 pm:

She wanted someone in particular to be charged with her murder but not a specific individual known to her? noish

Was it a person in a particular position/job? no With a particular title? no

In other words, it wasn't that she wanted Blake to be charged per se but that she wanted the person holding Blake's position (who happened to be Blake) to be charged? no

By Vae (Vaetrus) on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 08:54 pm:

Was the method of death:
medicine?yope Overdose? yopeUnderdose? no

Does it take place in North America? yes--in the USA} Europe? Asia? Anartica? Oceania? South America? Africa? International waters?
Third-World Country? First-World? Other/Unknown?

Was she a teen? no Adult? yes Near mid-life? possiblyElderly? dittoInfant? no
Ally McCabe (Strongplacebo)
Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 9:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, her intent was that someone would be charged, but she didn't care who? Didn't know who?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 9:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think it was found that she wanted the person charged to be charged, and she knew the person, or of the person.

Does it not matter how old she it?

Did she over take a pill? Dosage? Did she take it, but it was the pill itself that killed her? something like that?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 10:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ally McCabe (Strongplacebo) on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 09:05 pm:

So, her intent was that someone would be charged, but she didn't care who? yes Didn't know who? no

By Vae (Vaetrus) on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 09:22 pm:

I think it was found that she wanted the person charged to be charged, and she knew the person, or of the person. well, she picked someone almost at random

Does it not matter how old she it? as long as she's an adult

Did she over take a pill? yes Dosage? yes Did she take it, but it was the pill itself that killed her? yope something like that?

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John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 10:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hmm. At random, you say? Not what I had in mind then.
Are her political beliefs relevant?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 2:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was it the doctor who prescribed the pill who got charged? was she trying to strike against the medical industry?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 8:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 10:25 pm:

Hmm. At random, you say?ALMOST at random Not what I had in mind then.
Are her political beliefs relevant? yea. GOOOOOD question!!

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 02:33 pm:

was it the doctor who prescribed the pill who got charged? no was she trying to strike against the medical industry? no
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 8:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

umm... is she trying to make a statement for physician assisted suicide? against physician assisted suicide? is this related to the death penalty at all? is it her political party that matters? if so, is she republican, democrat, other?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 8:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 08:32 pm:

umm... is she trying to make a statement for physician assisted suicide? no against physician assisted suicide? no is this related to the death penalty at all? yes is it her political party that matters? see next answer if so, is she republican, democrat, other? She's almost certainly not a Republican, although she may be an independent or Green Party member rather than a Democrat
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 8:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so she is anti-death penalty. was the person charged with her murder pro death penalty? was she an inmate when she took the drugs? on death row?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 8:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Let's try that email again...
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 9:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, spoiling as requested

In the movie "The Life of David Gale", a dying woman committed suicide as part of an elaborate scheme to prove that innocent people are sometimes convicted of murder and executed.

IIRC the guy she framed (David Gale, I guess) was in on the plot too.
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 9:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 09:01 pm:

******SPOILER*********
John Monahan has spoiled it as follows. (I knew I was taking a risk that someone in the forum would have seen the movie.Please see my new puzzle at the bottom of the page )

In the movie "The Life of David Gale", a dying woman committed suicide as part of an elaborate scheme to prove that innocent people are sometimes convicted of murder and executed.

IIRC the guy she framed (David Gale, I guess) was in on the plot too.

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