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Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 8:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cup 10 cups of sand. As in, using your hands, cup the sand 10 times. One handful is a cup.
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 8:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are there any markings on any of the vessels?
Are there any unexpected holes in any of them?
Try pouring sand very slowly into the cup, watching the man to see when he starts to lose interest. Note how much time this takes. Then pour the last tiny bit back into the bucket and try giving him the cup.
If he doesn't take it, try the same thing more quickly, and see if he loses interest sooner.
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 8:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Vae: Cup 10 cups of sand. As in, using your hands, cup the sand 10 times. One handful is a cup. Trav: Well, ok, but the cup will only permit me to do this one time and it is almost full. No response to this action.

John: Are there any markings on any of the vessels? Trav: Yes (surprised no one has asked me this yet), the cup is marked with "1C" (safe assumption that it holds 1 cup).
Are there any unexpected holes in any of them? Trav: No
Try pouring sand very slowly into the cup, watching the man to see when he starts to lose interest. Trav: Ok (performs this action). You all may be interested to know that I had the man's complete attention as I was performing this action.
Note how much time this takes. Trav: It took me 5 seconds exactly to fill the cup with sand. Again, as I was noting the time it took me to do this I was being watched very closely by the man - are we onto something here?

Then pour the last tiny bit back into the bucket and try giving him the cup. Trav: Ok (does this) The man has no interest in the cup, but he's now watching everything I do.
If he doesn't take it, try the same thing more quickly, and see if he loses interest sooner.
Ok - that time it took me 3 seconds to fill the cup, and this seemed to greatly interest the man, but he had no interest in me bringing the cup to him...
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 8:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Can you do it any faster?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 8:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Can you do it any faster? Trav: I have found that I can consistently pour sand from the bucket into the cup and fill the cup in 3 seconds. I'm afraid if I go faster I will not be able to control the stream of sand and it will end up taking longer to fill the cup.

Once again, while I am timing my transfer of one cup of sand, I am being watched by the man, he has not looked away the entire time...
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 8:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Now what?

How long does it take to pour all the sand from one bucket to the other?
How much can you pour in 30 seconds?
Does the man seem to care about this?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 8:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

John: How long does it take to pour all the sand from one bucket to the other? Trav: Well, I think it takes about two minutes
How much can you pour in 30 seconds? Trav: Well if I can pour one cup in 3 seconds...
Does the man seem to care about this? Trav: YES - he seems to know what I'm trying to figure out, and he's nodding and smiling at me. What should I do now?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 8:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Trav: To make all this easier, I'm going back to where we started - a full bucket, an empty bucket and an empty cup.
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 8:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Trav: Man, we must really be on track here - the man just came and took the empty cup away, but he didn't leave the room. He is standing right next to the table now. He pointed to the cup and said "You don't need this anymore."
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 8:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Try pouring 30 seconds worth of sand into the empty bucket.
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 9:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

John: Try pouring 30 seconds worth of sand into the empty bucket. Trav: Ok (performs this action). Hey! We must have done something right! The whole time I was pouring I was watching the clock, and I poured for 30 seconds at the same rate that I could fill the cup in 3 seconds. As soon as I was done, the man smiled and said "Good work - that's what you needed to do!"

He walked me over to the steel door, said "Good luck", and tapped a couple of times on the door. The door slid open, and I saw the big tough guy on the other side, but he stepped aside quickly when he saw the other man give him a 'thumbs up'. The man from the Sand Room led me down a narrow hallway that ended at an arched doorway and a closed door. The man knocked on this door, and it was soon opened. I was told to enter that room, and the man turned around and walked back down the hall.

I entered this next room, and the door was pushed closed behind me by a man in a brown hooded robe (he pretty much looks like a monk). The monk locked the door with a key, which he then placed in a pocket in his robe. He quietly shuffled past me, and I watched as he went to the other side of this room I am now in.

This room resembles a cathedral sanctuary - it is a large hall with wooden plank floor, tall stained glass windows along each side. The room is completely empty, no pews as I would expect to see. The only thing I see in the room is a large pipe organ along the same wall as the door through which I came into the room. The monk has taken position next to a set of double doors at the side of the room opposite the pipe organ. It is very quiet in this large room.

I'm anticipating some more expert help like I've received in the previous rooms...
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 9:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do the double doors have handles? keyholes? can you open them?
Do you happen to know how to play a pipe organ?
Are there any interesting or useful looking pictures or words on the windows?
Is there anything unusual about the pipe organ?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 9:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

John: Do the double doors have handles? Trav: Yes keyholes? Trav: Yes, there is a keyhole in one of the doors
can you open them? Trav: No, they are locked
Do you happen to know how to play a pipe organ? Trav: No, not really. I can read music a little bit, but I am not sure what all of the buttons and pedals on pipe organs do.
Are there any interesting or useful looking pictures or words on the windows? Trav: No pictures or words, just abstract designs.
Is there anything unusual about the pipe organ?
Trav: No, it looks like one you would see in a cathedral or large church.
Ian (Image)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 11:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Let's see.... how do pipe organs work...? I think you need to push back and forth on the two big pedals to get air currant, and push the keys to play notes... try fooling around with the organ and see if you can get any sound....

Say "Hi" to the monk... see if he responds. Ask him about the organ, and what you need to do to get out of here. (I'm hoping he's not under an oath of silence....) If he isn't speaking, maybe you need to get him to break his oath of silence.... Kick him in the shins and see if you can grab the key while he's cringing in pain.

Is there anything inscribed on the organ? On the walls? The doors? Anywhere else? Is the floor uniform? Or does it look like it could be indicating anything?

Is the pipe organ right next to the wall? Can you move it to look behind it? Climb on top and look down the pipes. See if there is a panel you can open to look inside the organ, and if there is, do so.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 11:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there any sheet music on the organ music rack? Anywhere near the organ? If there is, try playing it.
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 3:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ian: Let's see.... how do pipe organs work...? I think you need to push back and forth on the two big pedals to get air currant, and push the keys to play notes... try fooling around with the organ and see if you can get any sound....
Trav: Ok - it seems that there is only one pedal. When I push down on the keys, sound comes out, and pushing the pedal makes the sound louder, letting off the pedal makes the sound softer.
Say "Hi" to the monk... see if he responds. Trav: Ok (says "Hi, Monk"). I get no response (are we surprised?).
Ask him about the organ, and what you need to do to get out of here. Trav: Ok (asks this). No response - the monk is standing silently with his hands clasped together at his waist.
(I'm hoping he's not under an oath of silence....) Trav: It would seem that maybe he is
If he isn't speaking, maybe you need to get him to break his oath of silence.... Kick him in the shins and see if you can grab the key while he's cringing in pain. Trav: You really want me to do this? By the way, the keyhole in the double doors is very large, big enough to see through easily, it doesn't look anything like the keyhole in the door I entered through. It would take a key of considerable size to open this lock.

Is there anything inscribed on the organ? Trav: No
On the walls? Trav: No
The doors? Trav: No
Anywhere else? Trav: No, not that I can see.
Is the floor uniform? Trav: Yes, it appears to be
Or does it look like it could be indicating anything? Trav: No, it is consistent floor.

Is the pipe organ right next to the wall? Trav: Yes
Can you move it to look behind it? Trav: No, it is butted up firmly against the wall.
Climb on top and look down the pipes. Trav: There is no way I can do this. The organ itself is probably ten feet tall. Then there is about ten feet upward to a loft area where the pipes are located. The loft is only deep enough to encase the pipes. There does not seem to be any way I can get up there to examine or look into the pipes.
See if there is a panel you can open to look inside the organ, and if there is, do so.
Trav: There are a few removable panels, but they only reveal the innards of the organ, which I do not understand.

Barb: Is there any sheet music on the organ music rack? Trav: Yes. There was not any sheet music here when I walked in, but sometime while I was examining the organ it appeared.
Anywhere near the organ? Trav: The music is on the stand where anyone who sits at the organ can easily read it.
If there is, try playing it. Trav: Ok (plays a few notes of the music). I do not recognize this melody at all. There is something strange going on while I am playing this. I cannot be sure, but it sounds like every few seconds I hear someone singing faintly, and a creaking noise (like maybe someone walking on a loose wooden floor).
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 4:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the monk still in the same place?
Walk around the floor a bit. Do you notice any loose boards?
Play a note on the organ, watching the monk to see if he responds.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 5:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK, if there's only one pedal, then the airflow is powered. That makes things a bit simpler.

Does the singing seem to be coming from close by? far away? Play the piece all the way through and see what happens.
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 5:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

John: Is the monk still in the same place? Trav: Yes
Walk around the floor a bit. Do you notice any loose boards? Trav: I walked from the organ to the rear doors and back, and I did not find any boards loose.
Play a note on the organ, watching the monk to see if he responds. Trav: Ok, this will be slightly difficult since I have to face directly opposite the monk to play the organ. (plays a note). No response from the monk.

Barb: Does the singing seem to be coming from close by? Trav: No
far away? Trav: Yes
Play the piece all the way through and see what happens. Trav: Ok (plays the piece as best as I can). Again, at differing intervals I hear the creaking and faint singing.
Ian (Image)
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 5:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Look through the keyhole on the double doors... What's on the other side?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 6:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ah, well, it was worth a try. I though it might be an entrance antiphon, and that by playing it you might get some people to open the doors to come in.
I'll wait until you've looked through the keyhole and reported before I make another sugestion.
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 7:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ian: Look through the keyhole on the double doors... What's on the other side? Trav: I will see (looks through keyhole). I can see a hallway lit by several lanterns hanging on the wall.

Barb: Ah, well, it was worth a try. I though it might be an entrance antiphon, and that by playing it you might get some people to open the doors to come in. Trav: You mean like in 'The Goonies'? This may not be a far-fetched idea, it just may take a different approach...
I'll wait until you've looked through the keyhole and reported before I make another sugestion. Trav: Not much exciting through the keyhole