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Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2005 - 11:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Can she herself actually hear the 'music' before it stops? yes
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2005 - 5:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the 'Music' the safety-beeping of a work vehicle backing up?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Monday, October 17, 2005 - 9:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the 'Music' the safety-beeping of a work vehicle backing up? no
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 9:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it some type of transportation? Some type of building? something that typically moves? a boat?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 10:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it some type of transportation? Some type of building? something that typically moves? a boat?
no to all
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 2:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant why the music stopped? Power outage? Is there a drawbridge involved, perchance?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 4:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant why the music stopped? yes Power outage? no Is there a drawbridge involved, perchance? no
c (Noodles_C)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 7:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"You cannot see her soul.."
is the title relevant?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 2:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Title: Name of the song she was listening to? Or... lyrics from the song she was listening to?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 3:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"You cannot see her soul.."
is the title relevant? Yope

Title: Name of the song she was listening to? Or... lyrics from the song she was listening to? no to both
Chandam (Noodles_C)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 7:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she know how to swim?
Did the object prevent her from moving?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 8:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she know how to swim? yes
Did the object prevent her from moving? no
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 8:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she close her eyes?
(Hence, you can't see her soul?)
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 3:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she close her eyes? no
(Hence, you can't see her soul?) nope
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 10:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a naturally occurring object?
If the Music had continued, would it have caused the object to move?
Would it have knocked her into the river?
Would she have seen it coming and tried to run for the river?
Is the Music a sound like drums?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 6:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a naturally occurring object? no
If the Music had continued, would it have caused the object to move? yes
Would it have knocked her into the river? yessish
Would she have seen it coming and tried to run for the river? no
Is the Music a sound like drums? yes
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 3:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would the music have caused the object to move by physically acting upon it? By causing some person to move it? By sending a remote signal?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 2:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would the music have caused the object to move by physically acting upon it? no By causing some person to move it? no By sending a remote signal? no
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 5:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok. I think we need a recap. I thought we were close to solving this for sure and suddenly we're feeling way off track. Not sure what went wrong.
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 10:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the music drums? Does the music normally cause the object(objects?) to start moving? Are the objects something found in everyday life? Would their movement normally cause a problem? Are the objects buildings? (or a building)? you said it didn't have to do with transportation, right? is it electronic equipment of some sort? if it moves, does that mean it is broken?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 10:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

glaciers relevant?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 10:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok. I think we need a recap. I thought we were close to solving this for sure and suddenly we're feeling way off track. Not sure what went wrong.
Sure. There is definitely a bit more that hasn't been figured out yet. Recap below.

Is the music drums? no Does the music normally cause the object(objects?) to start moving? uhhh... difficult question to answer. No, but be very careful of an FA Are the objects something found in everyday life? yes Would their movement normally cause a problem? yes Are the objects buildings? (or a building)? no you said it didn't have to do with transportation, right? yes is it electronic equipment of some sort? no if it moves, does that mean it is broken? YES

glaciers relevant? no
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 11:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

~~~~~~~~~~~ RECAP ~~~~~~~~~~~

The Music Stopped, she didn't die
We know that she is outside and that there are many other people with her.
We also know that the music is drum like, but isn't drums.
We know that if the music continued, something would have moved/break.
We also know that if the music continued the object would facilitate her ending up in the river.
We know that the object is larger than a car, but is not a vehicle/device of transportation. It is man made. Nor is it a building.

We also named her Yvette on the 20th of September...
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 3:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would the object have detached from something else? Would the music have been the sound of the object breaking? was she near a bridge? near the river bank? would the object have hit her and pushed her physically into the water? would it have startled her so she fell into the water?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 7:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she on a bridge? Is this "music" made by soldiers marching over the bridge?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 11:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would the object have detached from something else? yope Would the music have been the sound of the object breaking? no was she near a bridge? yes near the river bank? yes would the object have hit her and pushed her physically into the water? possibly would it have startled her so she fell into the water? possibly

Was she on a bridge? yes Is this "music" made by soldiers marching over the bridge? that's it! would you like to put it together?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 11:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The soldiers were marching in step until they got to the bridge where she was standing. They purposely changed to marching out of step to avoid the synchronized footsteps from multiplying their force and damaging or collapsing the bridge.
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 12:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Soldiers will indeed break step (though not formation) when marching over certain kinds of suspension bridge. If the cadency of the soldiers' march happens to match the natural frequency of the bridge, there is a danger that resonance will cause the bridge to collapse, or at any rate to suffer severe structural damage.

Some sources claim that this has actually happened, but these are unreliable. It is likely that long before a bridge actually collapsed, it would have started to vibrate in a most alarming fashion, whereat even the most disciplined of soldiers would have done what anyone would do - run like fury in no particular rhythm at all for the nearest end. This, of course, would end the resonance effect, and the bridge would soon stablise.

This over-simplification is intended to include as many musical terms as possible, in order that Zenith's analogy may more readily be perceived. Good puzzle :)
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 5:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

thankyou Woubit. That is indeed correct
* * * * * SPOILER * * * * *

Additionly, the concept of music was the rythmic pattern of the march, which, as Woubit pointed out, may be at the same frequency as the natural frequency of the bridge. Hence, Yvette and the other soldiers broke step, 'stopping the music' as it is now arythmic and chaotic, with no fundamental frequency - white noise.
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