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Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 7:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was that a hint? if so, thanks.

Trav, can you read music enough to tell what key the piece is in? If you can, walk up to the monk, and tell him the key that it's in.
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 7:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Barb: Trav, can you read music enough to tell what key the piece is in? Trav: Let's see...no flats or sharps, must be in key of C
If you can, walk up to the monk, and tell him the key that it's in. Trav: Ok (walks to Monk and says "The song is in the key of C). I get no response from the monk.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 8:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Try saying "The key is C."
Ian (Image)
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 12:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Can you break the middle C key off the organ? If you can, try to use it to unlock the door... If you can't, play the "Ride of the Valkyries." No real reason for that, I just like that piece.... (I think it goes, C-G-C-Eb-C, Eb-C-Eb-G-Eb, G-Eb-G-Bb-(lower)Bb, Eb-Bb-Eb-G)
Paul S (Psdubl07)
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 4:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this like the Scooby Doo episode where it says "FEED the organ and watch the floor?" :)
OK, do the letters of the notes spell out anything? e.g. F-E-E-D
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 12:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Barb: Try saying "The key is C." Trav: (Says this to the monk) No response.

Ian: Can you break the middle C key off the organ? Trav: No, it won't budge.
If you can, try to use it to unlock the door... Trav: I guess this won't work

If you can't, play the "Ride of the Valkyries." No real reason for that, I just like that piece.... (I think it goes, C-G-C-Eb-C, Eb-C-Eb-G-Eb, G-Eb-G-Bb-(lower)Bb, Eb-Bb-Eb-G) Trav: Ok (plays a few bars of this). There's nothing happening now.

Paul: OK, do the letters of the notes spell out anything? e.g. F-E-E-D Trav: No, spelling F-E-E-D achieves no noticeable result.
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 12:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Try turning the sheet music upside down and then playing the notes.

If that doesn't work, put it back the original way and play the notes backwards from end to beginning.

Sorry I haven't been more help on this adventure - the parents are in town this weekend. This is fun though!
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 4:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Trav, I think that what Ian was saying was, use the letter names of the notes in order, and see if they spell anything. (The way he notated the Ride of the Valkyries.) So, read off the notes for us one the first page, if you would, please?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 4:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That's what it seems like to me too, but I can't take credit for it... It wasPaul's idea....
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 4:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

{Oooops. I didn't read far enough up. Apologies, Paul.}

And that last sentence should be "read the notes on the first page for us, please?"
Paul S (Psdubl07)
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 5:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

No worries...group effort. :)
ryan (Ryan_Nelson)
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 7:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it possible to see the key in the monk's pocket that was used to lock the door you entered by? either by asking/miming/taking it from him? if you can, does it have anything written on it? like perhaps a letter? could you play the sheet music in that "key" instead? does the random singing/floorboard creaking occur randomly when you play the piece? or at particular points that are always the same? if its the same point, can you see what notes it appears at? what time interval?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 8:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It doesn't seem like the key is a normal "key". "Of considerable size".

Does the organ seem to be missing a part?
Have an extra part?

Can you play the organ and watch its insides at the same time to see if anything is needed, or not needed?

If nothing looks like it'll work, try playing till you are able to make out some meaning to the words you are hearing.
As you play for a longer interval, does it seem like the sounds you are hearing get closer? Or louder? Or clearer?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 12:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Try transposing the piece and playing it in all 12 major, then minor keys. See if anything different happens in different keys.
Try it in all eight modes: Iolian, Dorian, Lydian, Frydgian, Mixilydian, Aeolian and Locrian (I think that's the right order)
Ian (Image)
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 2:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's Iolian, Dorian, Frydgian, Lydian, Mixolydian, Aeolian, and Locrian.... You had Lydian and Frydgian mixed up... :P
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 3:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jenn: Try turning the sheet music upside down and then playing the notes. Ok (tries this). Again I hear an occasional creaking and singing.

If that doesn't work, put it back the original way and play the notes backwards from end to beginning. Trav: Ok (does this). More occasional creaking and singing.

It may interest you to know that while the singing seems to be coming from far away, I can finally tell that it is simply one tone being sung, it usually lasts for less than a second. I am just aware that every so often as I am playing the music, a voice can be heard singing one note.


Barb: Trav, I think that what Ian was saying was, use the letter names of the notes in order, and see if they spell anything. (The way he notated the Ride of the Valkyries.) So, read off the notes for us one the first page, if you would, please? Trav: Ok, the notes in the melody line on the first page are C-D-F-F-A-E-D-C-A-F-F

Ryan: is it possible to see the key in the monk's pocket that was used to lock the door you entered by? Trav: No, the pockets on the monk's robe are quite deep.
either by asking/miming/taking it from him? Trav: I was able to simply pull the key out of the monk's pocket, he didn't resist
if you can, does it have anything written on it?
Trav: No, it is a plain black iron key
like perhaps a letter? Trav: No, I do not see any markings at all
could you play the sheet music in that "key" instead? Trav: No, I guess not
does the random singing/floorboard creaking occur randomly when you play the piece? Trav: It seems so, since it is only for very brief periods
or at particular points that are always the same?
Trav: It does seem to occur at roughly the same lengths into the piece of music, yes

if its the same point, can you see what notes it appears at? what time interval? Trav: Yes, I will try this (plays the first line of the song again). Ok, I heard the faint voice and creak about halfway through the line, and then once more toward the end of the line of notes. The first time I heard it I was around the F-A-E, and then again when I was around the C-A-F.

Vae: If nothing looks like it'll work, try playing till you are able to make out some meaning to the words you are hearing. Trav: I played the line again a few times, and played slower each time. The 'singing' is actually a person (I think it is a male voice) that seems to sing and hold a note briefly as I play past certain points in the music.
As you play for a longer interval, does it seem like the sounds you are hearing get closer? Trav: Yes, somewhat closer for the voice, but not for the creaking.
Or louder? Trav: Yes, definately louder for the voice, but not the creak.
Or clearer? Trav: Yes, I can definitely tell now that it is a male voice that is singing a simple "ahhhh" along with one of the notes I am playing! And the creak is lasting slightly longer as I play slower.

Does the organ seem to be missing a part? Trav: No, but I don't know much about pipe organs.
Have an extra part? Trav: No, not that I can tell

Can you play the organ and watch its insides at the same time to see if anything is needed, or not needed? Trav: Yes, I can do this, but without knowing what should and shouldn't be there I may not be of much help.

Ben: Try transposing the piece and playing it in all 12 major, then minor keys. See if anything different happens in different keys.
Try it in all eight modes: Iolian, Dorian, Lydian, Frydgian, Mixilydian, Aeolian and Locrian (I think that's the right order) Trav: Wow, you have exceeded my musical skills! Sadly I will not be able to perform this step...

Trav: It may interest some of you to know that the monk is no longer at his place by the large doors, he has moved over to one side of the room, standing beneath one of the windows.
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 3:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Okay, there was both an F and an A each time that you heard the singing. Try just playing F... you can hold it down for a long time, or you can repeat it many times... then do the same with the note "A"
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 4:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jenn: Okay, there was both an F and an A each time that you heard the singing. Try just playing F...you can hold it down for a long time Trav: Ok. Nothing happens
or you can repeat it many times... Trav: Nothing happens when I do this either
then do the same with the note "A" Trav: Ok. (holds down "A"). Interesting - as I hold down the A key, the singing starts very softly at first then gets progressively louder. It is a male voice matching the tone produced by the A key on the organ, and I hear it coming from my left, the same side of the room where the monk is standing. Also, as I hold the A key down, the creak continues until I release the key. When I play the A key several times, the voice can be faintly heard along with a very brief creak each time I play the note.
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 4:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are we perhaps trying to shatter the glass with the right note? Hold down each note in succession. When the creaking is at its loudest... hold or go back to that note and keep holding.
Jens Weber (Sundowner)
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 4:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Play again A, and check whether it is the monk who is singing and producing the creaking sound.
Play all notes from C to C. Is there some sound or singing for other notes as well?
When you're done, look at the windows. Describe the designs you see. Under which of the windows the monk is standing?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 4:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the monk still by the windows? Try just holding the A down even longer. Then try telling the monk "The key is A"
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 4:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lisa: Are we perhaps trying to shatter the glass with the right note? Trav: I don't know. I have not heard any sounds coming from the sides of the room until the monk moved over there.
Hold down each note in succession. When the creaking is at its loudest... hold or go back to that note and keep holding. Trav: Ok (does this - C, D, E, F, G, A...once again, nothing happens until I get to the A key, then the singing starts followed almost immediately by the creaking. The humming/tone singing gets progressively louder as I hold the note. The creaking continues for several seconds without getting any louder or softer and then it stops, yet the voice continues to produce the perfect A pitch.

Jens: Play again A, and check whether it is the monk who is singing and producing the creaking sound. Trav: Ok - yes! Here is what happens: When I hold down the A key, I hear the faint male vocal sound coming from the monk's direction and it progressively gets louder. In addition to this, the longer he makes the tone, the monk's head slowly rises to look upward and his arms extend outward (this is sorta creepy, I really wish I wasn't by myself with the weird monk...)
Play all notes from C to C. Is there some sound or singing for other notes as well? Trav: No, nothing happens on any other note except the A
When you're done, look at the windows. Describe the designs you see. Trav: All of the windows look the same. There are numerous sections in each window, all a different shape and size and in all different colors. There are no words, inscriptions or other markings on or near any of the windows.
Under which of the windows the monk is standing?
Trav: He is standing beneath a window that looks like all of the other windows.