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Mo (Hakkunamatata)
Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 8:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He was killed. But nobody can be accused.
Mo (Hakkunamatata)
Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 8:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

can be a quikie
Howard Baynes (Zowie)
Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 10:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There are some different types of 'to kill' in the dictionary, not all associated with the act of ending someone's life. Could this line of enquiry lead to the right answer?
Mo (Hakkunamatata)
Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 4:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Howard Baynes (Zowie) on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 10:08 pm:


There are some different types of 'to kill' in the dictionary, not all associated with the act of ending someone's life. Could this line of enquiry lead to the right answer? Yope
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 5:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he die?
Mo (Hakkunamatata)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 9:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Simon Downham (Beroean) on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 05:40 pm:


Did he die? Ofcourse Yes
Kapil Kapur (Dinkie)
Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 3:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was it a "legal" killing ?
is he a human or an animal ?
Mo (Hakkunamatata)
Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 6:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Kapil Kapur (Dinkie) on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 03:23 pm:


was it a "legal" killing ? yesish
is he a human This one or an animal ?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Monday, February 20, 2006 - 10:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So did one or more other person(s) cause his death?
One?
More?
Is water relevant?
Mo (Hakkunamatata)
Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 4:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Monday, February 20, 2006 - 10:30 am:


So did one or more other person(s) cause his death?
One? This
More? migth be This too
Is water relevant? nope
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 3:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, lets call the killer Wofoc2, and the victim ¤
Relevant how his death was caused?
Would it be correct to call Wofoc2 a murderer?
Is it relevant how the killing was accomplished?
Through an action of Wofoc2?
Or through inaction of Wofoc2?
Is Wofoc2 an executioner meting out a death sentence?
Is ¤ a criminal?
Mo (Hakkunamatata)
Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 6:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 03:45 pm:


So, lets call the killer Wofoc2, and the victim ¤
Relevant how his death was caused? Very Relevant
Would it be correct to call Wofoc2 a murderer? Yesish, but could be misleading
Is it relevant how the killing was accomplished? Very Relevant
Through an action of Wofoc2? This one
Or through inaction of Wofoc2? might be This one too
Is Wofoc2 an executioner meting out a death sentence? No
Is ¤ a criminal? might be, but irrelevant
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 8:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the killing done by means of a "mechanical" weapon?
Poison?
Bare hands (or other body parts)?
Boring to death?
Asphynxation?
Fall from great height?
Were there witnesses?
Did Wofoc2 commit a crime by killing ¤?
Mo (Hakkunamatata)
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 3:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 08:50 pm:


Is the killing done by means of a "mechanical" weapon? Can be This
Poison? Can be this too, But could be misleading
Bare hands (or other body parts)? No
Boring to death? :-) Good Try, But no
Asphynxation? huhh?? had to go through dictionary to get this word. But can be this too
Fall from great height? No
Were there witnesses? Yes
Did Wofoc2 commit a crime by killing ¤? Yesish
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 8:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant where this happens?
Type of place relevant?
Exact geographical location relevant?
Age of either participant relevant?
Sex of either participant relevant?
Occupation of either participant relevant?
If I were there and saw the whole thing, would I understand the crux of the puzzle right away?
Mo (Hakkunamatata)
Posted on Friday, February 24, 2006 - 2:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 08:28 pm:


Relevant where this happens? Yes
Type of place relevant? noish
Exact geographical location relevant? location relevent but not exact
Age of either participant relevant? No
Sex of either participant relevant? No
Occupation of either participant relevant? Good Question. Yes
If I were there and saw the whole thing, would I understand the crux of the puzzle right away? I don't know whether you will ;), So I would say Yesish
Kristoffer Dominique Albeus (Kristoffer)
Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 2:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is Wofoc2 human?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 5:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Location: Is the country relevant? Part of country? Continent?
Occupation of Wofoc2 relevant?
Occupation of ¤ relevant?
Does (any of) the relevant occupation(s) regularly involve killing other people?
Is this a war situation?
Mo (Hakkunamatata)
Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 6:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Kristoffer Dominique Albeus (Kristoffer) on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 02:51 am:


is Wofoc2 human? Yes

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 05:07 pm:


Location: Is the country relevant? Yesish Part of country? Continent? might be, b'coz a country falls into a continent
Occupation of Wofoc2 relevant? Yes
Occupation of ¤ relevant? No
Does (any of) the relevant occupation(s) regularly involve killing other people? Yesish , but can be misleading
Is this a war situation? might be but irrelevent
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 7:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Wofoc2's job physically demanding?
Is he involved in law enforcement?
Does Wofoc2 and ¤ know each other?
Does this happen in Asia? Europe? US? South America? Africa? Australia?
Mo (Hakkunamatata)
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 4:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Wofoc2's job physically demanding? Not that I know off
Is he involved in law enforcement? Nope
Does Wofoc2 and ¤ know each other? Yes but could lead to FA
Does this happen in Asia? Europe? US? South America? Africa? Australia? Answering this question would lead to a FA
Mo (Hakkunamatata)
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 4:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Since the puzzle is not moving as fast as I think, here is a hint

Hint: This kind of event happen in most countries, some of them leagal. I am just quoting one of them, so assuming a particular country is a FA
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 6:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

death penalty relevant?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 6:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the killing some sort of revenge?
Crime passionelle?
Was the killing planned ahead?
Did Wocof2 learn something about ¤ that made him want to kill ¤?
Did Wocof2 feel that he might avoid some future danger or inconvenience by killing off ¤?
Mo (Hakkunamatata)
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 9:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 06:26 pm:


death penalty relevant? irrelevent


By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 06:55 pm:


Is the killing some sort of revenge? Nope
Crime passionelle? Nope.. But I learnt a good information
Was the killing planned ahead? Yesish.. but depending on ahead
Did Wocof2 learn something about ¤ that made him want to kill ¤? Nope.. And FA
Did Wocof2 feel that he might avoid some future danger or inconvenience by killing off ¤? Nope.. and FA
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 7:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Wocof2 want to kill ¤?
If so, was it a distanced, half-hearted, academic sort of wish?
Or was it more the raging, bloothirsty, white-hot-anger sort of wish?
Was Wocof2 aware that he was killing ¤?
Could he have avoided it?
Did he feel that he had ample reason for doing it?
Mo (Hakkunamatata)
Posted on Friday, March 03, 2006 - 3:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 07:54 am:


Did Wocof2 want to kill ¤? No
If so, was it a distanced, half-hearted, academic sort of wish? Yesish
Or was it more the raging, bloothirsty, white-hot-anger sort of wish? So.. No to this
Was Wocof2 aware that he was killing ¤? Yes
Could he have avoided it? He Could have
Did he feel that he had ample reason for doing it? For me there would be no reason to kill a person. But he had one

Hey Tor, thanks for helping the puzzle go on
Drew Sollenberger (Sollen)
Posted on Saturday, March 04, 2006 - 9:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was Wocof2(next time can't we go with the standard bob and vic names =P) a cop? stoping a criminal?

was Wocof2 part of a medical profession and the death was during some kind of medical operation?

was Wocof2 assisting a suicide?

did ¤ want to die? did he know that there was a good chance thta he would die? could it be said that ¤ did something stupid or foolish that lead to-directly or indirectly-his death? did ¤ do something legaly/morally wrong?

is it because of Wocof2 profession that ¤ died? if someone did the same action as Wocof2 but was not in the profession would it have been considered a crime? be considered worse then what Wocof2 did? could someone else have been in the situation to do something simlar to what Wocof2 did were then not in Wocof2 profession?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 8:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

(next time can't we go with the standard bob and vic names =P)
Unless the puzzle host names his characters initially, the privilege of naming goes to the first participant who cares to enjoy it


Is this part of some experiment?
Does Wocof2 gain any information from the killing?
Could ¤ be just any person?
Or does Wocof2 specifically choose ¤ for a particular reason?
Is the time when this happened relevant?
Could it be present day?
Mo (Hakkunamatata)
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 5:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Drew Sollenberger (Sollen) on Saturday, March 04, 2006 - 09:32 pm:

was Wocof2(next time can't we go with the standard bob and vic names =P) a cop? No stoping a criminal? So No..

was Wocof2 part of a medical profession Yesand the death was during some kind of medical operation? not necessarily so yesish

was Wocof2 assisting a suicide? Yes

did ¤ want to die? Yes did he know that there was a good chance thta he would die? yes could it be said that ¤ did something stupid or foolish that lead to-directly or indirectly-his death? Yes but not stupid did ¤ do something legaly/morally wrong? Yesish

is it because of Wocof2 profession that ¤ died? Not directly but yes if someone did the same action as Wocof2 but was not in the profession would it have been considered a crime? Yes be considered worse then what Wocof2 did? could someone else have been in the situation to do something simlar to what Wocof2 did were then not in Wocof2 profession? If you are asking would somebody else of different profession than Wocof2 have did what Wocof2 did the answer is No

I almost sense a $p0!Ler. Drew can you connect the dots are do you want to go one more set of questions
Mo (Hakkunamatata)
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 5:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 08:32 am:


(next time can't we go with the standard bob and vic names =P)
Unless the puzzle host names his characters initially, the privilege of naming goes to the first participant who cares to enjoy it

Is this part of some experiment? No
Does Wocof2 gain any information from the killing? No
Could ¤ be just any person? Yes
Or does Wocof2 specifically choose ¤ for a particular reason? No and FA
Is the time when this happened relevant? Yes
Could it be present day? Yes
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - 6:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So this is a case of euthanasia then?
Does Wocof2 do this to end ¤'s suffering?
If so, is ¤'s suffering purely of a physical nature?
Or also/entirely of a moral nature?
Mo (Hakkunamatata)
Posted on Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - 3:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So this is a case of euthanasia then? Yes
Does Wocof2 do this to end ¤'s suffering? Yes
If so, is ¤'s suffering purely of a physical nature? Yes
Or also/entirely of a moral nature?

Time for a
*************** SPOILER *****************
This is a case of Euthanasia that happened last year in New Orleans after Katrina. Some of the patients in New Orleans Memorial Hospital were put to death by a 'lethal' dosage of drug as pleaded by the victims, because they were unable to evacuate them or leave them to suffer with the pain. The investigators couldn't testify because the body has decomposed so much due to the hurricane. Even though Euthanasia is banned ( except in Oregan) all cases of euthanasia cannot be testified against the accused due to a lot of medical reasons such as this one.


Way to go, my first Puzzle is solved. Hey Thanks a lot for Drew, Torgeir and all others who participated in solving this puzzle.

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