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Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 9:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

During World War II, the U.S. Army wasted huge amounts of money trying to determine the answer to a question that could have been answered at no expense. How come??
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 9:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, you've answered your own question, haven't you? To say 'US Army' and 'wasted money' really sums it up, doesn't it? Oh well, before I make too many people angry...

Did the question concern transportation? weapons? clothing? combat gear? something else?
Was the army asking a question to which the answer would have improved military success?

Could the question have been answered by a simple test? By locating a person who knew the answer? By research? By locating the answer in a written form somewhere? By other means?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 9:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ixoye724 (Ixoye724) on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 09:33 pm:

Well, you've answered your own question, haven't you? To say 'US Army' and 'wasted money' really sums it up, doesn't it? Oh well, before I make too many people angry... Not angry, just bored, as what you're saying is true but soooo trite...

Did the question concern transportation? no weapons? no clothing? nocombat gear? no something else? yes
Was the army asking a question to which the answer would have improved military success? yes

Could the question have been answered by a simple test? yesish By locating a person who knew the answer? yesish By research? noish By locating the answer in a written form somewhere? no By other means? yesish
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 11:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By finding a person who was willing to perform research free of charge?
Did the question concern something supernatural?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 11:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Religion relevant to this puzzle?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 1:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

To say 'US Army' and 'wasted money' really sums it up, doesn't it?
ahem - the jury may still be out on other conflicts, but during World War II many of the rest of us represented here, were very grateful for the efforts of the US Army


Was the research specifically to do with something happening during WWII?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 3:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am grateful to the US military, no doubt about it, the best equipped and best trained force in the world, but they spend money like there's no tomorrow. The stories I've heard about wasteful spending in the army don't have anything to do with wartime/conflicts, it's typically the day-to-day operations that burn up our tax dollars...

Was a process being questioned? In need of improvement?
Did the question concern prisoners of war? Ours? The enemy's?
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 3:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cryptography involved?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 5:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 11:00 pm:

By finding a person who was willing to perform research free of charge? noish
Did the question concern something supernatural? no

By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 11:41 pm:

Religion relevant to this puzzle? no

By Lynne (Lynne) on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 01:44 am:

To say 'US Army' and 'wasted money' really sums it up, doesn't it?
ahem - the jury may still be out on other conflicts, but during World War II many of the rest of us represented here, were very grateful for the efforts of the US Army Much as I enjoy political arguments, I don't actually know much about the U.S. military (although its current escapades make me uneasy)
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 6:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ixoye724 (Ixoye724) on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 03:02 pm:

I am grateful to the US military, no doubt about it, the best equipped and best trained force in the world, but they spend money like there's no tomorrow. The stories I've heard about wasteful spending in the army don't have anything to do with wartime/conflicts, it's typically the day-to-day operations that burn up our tax dollars...
As I've said, I can't really judge this
Was a process being questioned?yes In need of improvement?yes
Did the question concern prisoners of war no Ours? no The enemy's? no

By Christiane Scharf (0815) on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 03:39 pm:

Cryptography involved? no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 8:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Should they have just asked someone/some group? Was it about some kind of preference (e. g. what kind of food do they like)?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 8:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the research specifically to do with something happening during WWII?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 11:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 08:12 pm:

Should they have just asked someone/some group? yes Was it about some kind of preference (e. g. what kind of food do they like)? yope

By Lynne (Lynne) on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 08:36 pm:

Was the research specifically to do with something happening during WWII? yes, but not only WW II

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Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 9:45 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it about cultural issues? traditions? language?
Did it have to do with a certain country? the US? an ally? an enemy?

Did they do research in this field for the first time during WW II?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 6:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Christiane Scharf (0815) on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 09:45 am:

Was it about cultural issues?no traditions? no language?
Did it have to do with a certain country? more than one the US?\ {yes}an ally? yesan enemy? yes

Did they do research in this field for the first time during WW II? yes
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 9:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just to make sure, my question about language got a "no", right?

Did they not have the technical knowledge for this kind of research before WW II? Or did they not have the need to do this research before?

The answer to their question - was it known in a certain country? among a certain group of people? among scientists? among farmers? to one person? to a handful of people? to hundreds of people? thousands? millions?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 5:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Christiane Scharf (0815) on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 09:37 am:

Just to make sure, my question about language got a "no", right?Yes. My apologies foer the oversight

Did they not have the technical knowledge for this kind of research before WW II? yope Or did they not have the need to do this research before? no, they did need to

The answer to their question - was it known in a certain country? country is irrel among a certain group of people? yes among scientists?being a scientist is irrel among farmers? ditto for being a farmer to one person? to a handful of people? to hundreds of people? thousands? millions? Probably millions, in a sense
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 4:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the question involve technology? people? soldiers? civilians?

Was it about troop motivation?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 6:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Christiane Scharf (0815) on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 04:40 pm:

Did the question involve technology? no people? yes soldiers? yes civilians? no

Was it about troop motivation? no
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 10:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they trying to figure out the number of troops available? The number of enemy? The count of the dead on either side?

Did the answer involve information about...
soldiers?
People?
Jews?
a Location?
Weather?
Animal?
Vegetable?
Mineral?
Tactics?
B. Johnson (Sycorax)
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 1:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the question involve women? Race?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 11:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 10:42 pm:

Were they trying to figure out the number of troops available? yope The number of enemy? no The count of the dead on either side? no

Did the answer involve information about...
soldiers? yes
People yes, but just soldiers
Jews? it would involve Jewish as well as non-Jewish soldiers
a Location? yesish
Weather? yes
Animal? just soldiers
Vegetable? no
Mineral? no
Tactics? yesish

By B. Johnson (Sycorax) on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 01:39 am:

Did the question involve women?just female soldiers Race? no, although it would involve soldiers of all races
B. Johnson (Sycorax)
Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 6:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it a question that could have been answered by asking any woman? a specific woman? any group of women? a specific group of women? a representative sampling of women (a survey)?
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 4:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so there was a question which related in some way to soldiers? and to weather? and instead of doing expensive research they could have found out the answer much more cheaply? by just asking people?

was the question about a particular sort of weather? wet weather? cold? snow? ice? rain? sun? temperature? wind? storms?

was it something like - how would soldiers cope in this weather? or how would they manage to do a particualr task in this weather? or how this weather would affect their functioning?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 8:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By B. Johnson (Sycorax) on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 06:31 am:

Was it a question that could have been answered by asking any woman? yes a specific woman? yes any group of women? yes a specific group of women? yes a representative sampling of women (a survey)? no

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 04:47 pm:

so there was a question which related in some way to soldiers? yes and to weather? yes and instead of doing expensive research they could have found out the answer much more cheaply? yes by just asking people? yes

was the question about a particular sort of weather? yes wet weather? nocold? partly snow? yope ice? yoperain? nosun? no temperature? yes wind? partlystorms? no

was it something like - how would soldiers cope in this weather?yes or how would they manage to do a particualr task in this weather? yes or how this weather would affect their functioning? yes

This ias close enough for me to declare a
****SPOILER *************
In Psychology 101, we were told that the best way to find something out about someone is often to ask him.To illustrare this, we were also told the following anecdote about World War II. When the army needed to decide which soldiers to send to the tropics & which to very cold places, they called in psychologists, MD's, etc. to try to devise a test for determing who would do best in what sort of weather. By far the best predictor turned out to be each soldier's response to this question: "Which do you dislike more, extreme heat or extreme cold?" Sorry it was so easy, but I hope you got a kick out of it, & please see my new, harder puzzle at the bottom of the page.

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