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Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 7:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

William was riding a bus home from work one chilly January evening. Because of something he heard during the bus ride that evening, he made a purchase the next day. That purchase made him a nice bit of money months later, and again the next year. He expected the first bit of profit, the second was a pleasant surprise.
Michael Smith (Endeffect)
Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 8:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

January relevant?
Riding a bus relevant?
Was someone talking to him specifically?
Did he overhear a conversation?
Purchasing the item the "next day" versus that night relevant?


The item he purchased:
Tangible?
Conceptual?
Stocks?
Bonds?
Money Market?
Real Estate?
Jewelry?
Fine Metals?
Something you could buy at Walmart?
Something you need to buy at a specialty shop?
Does buying this item require a broker?

The profit:
Was the second bit of profit from the same source as the first bit of profit? (ie: Buying a box of french fries to sell the fries, but somehow selling the box afterwards too?)
Was he mildly suprised?
Overjoyed?
Was the second profit larger than the first?
Profit amount relevant?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 9:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Barbara. How have you been?

Title relevant?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 10:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Endeffect

January relevant? Yes
Riding a bus relevant? Yes-ish.
Was someone talking to him specifically? No
Did he overhear a conversation? Yes
Purchasing the item the "next day" versus that night relevant? Yes.


The item he purchased:
Tangible? Hmmm. Yope.
Conceptual? Yope here, too.
Stocks? Do you know this one? Yes.
Bonds?
Money Market?
Real Estate?
Jewelry?
Fine Metals?
Something you could buy at Walmart?
Something you need to buy at a specialty shop? No to all these.
Does buying this item require a broker? Yope

The profit:
Was the second bit of profit from the same source as the first bit of profit? (ie: Buying a box of french fries to sell the fries, but somehow selling the box afterwards too?) Yes to the concept, No to the example.
Was he mildly suprised? Mildly? I think Yes.
Overjoyed? Certainly happy. Found money is always nice, isn't it? Jumping up and down and shouting happy? probably not.
Was the second profit larger than the first? Not relevant.
Profit amount relevant? No.

Haenlomal

Hi Barbara. How have you been? Hi hon. Been busy. We moved, so much chaos ensued. It's mostly under control now, though.

Title relevant? Vaguely related, but not necessary to getting the solution.
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 10:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Profit - from selling stocks at higher price than buying them?
From - whassitcalled - dividend?
Was the information he got directly about stocks ("I believe stock XYZ has excellent potential")?
Information that more indirectly let him make an intelligent choice concerning what stock to buy into (All the best meteorologists agree that this summer will be hot and sunny, so we buy into Ice Cream & Bathing Suits Ltd.)?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 3:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Torgeir Apeland (Abc)

Profit - from selling stocks at higher price than buying them? No.

From - whassitcalled - dividend? Yes, dividends

Was the information he got directly about stocks ("I believe stock XYZ has excellent potential")? No.

Information that more indirectly let him make an intelligent choice concerning what stock to buy into Yes, this one. And he had to make a lateral leap that many folks wouldn't see.

(All the best meteorologists agree that this summer will be hot and sunny, so we buy into Ice Cream & Bathing Suits Ltd.)? Very much this idea, but not this straightforward.
Michael Smith (Endeffect)
Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 3:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do we NORMALLY refer to this person as "William" Or is he normally known by the shorter "Bill"?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 5:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Michael Smith (Endeffect)

Do we NORMALLY refer to this person as "William" Or is he normally known by the shorter "Bill"? Utterly irrelevant. Change his name to "Theophilus", if you want to. Or "Sue".
Michael Smith (Endeffect)
Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 5:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Okay, i was trying to work towards a specific person, but that got thrown out the window...

So we are supposed to figure out what was purchased and not the purchaser, correct?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 5:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Right. What did he hear, what did he buy, and why did he get a second windfall that he didn't expect after he got the first one? You and Torgeir have gotten that he bought stock. Keep going.
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Saturday, July 01, 2006 - 1:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good to hear you settled down. Hopefully nothing damaged by movers?

The type of corporation that he purchased stocks in relevant? If yes, is the corporation in question in:
- manufacturing?
- retail?
- services?
- research and development?
- entertainment?
- technology?
- natural resources?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, July 01, 2006 - 2:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haenlomal

Good to hear you settled down. Hopefully nothing damaged by movers? Nothing that we know of. But it's a smaller house than we had before, so a fair bit of stuff is going to remained packed for the time being.

The type of corporation that he purchased stocks in relevant? YES If yes, is the corporation in question in:
- manufacturing? This one, mostly.
- retail? but some of this one as well,
- services?
- research and development?
- entertainment?
- technology?
- natural resources? and none of the others
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 4:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

One on the guys who were talking in the bus was employed at the company? Both of them? Is there two of them at all? Relevant? The exact position in the company relevant? The director? Economist?

He had heard that something was going to happen, so had waited till that happened and then bought the stocks - something along these lines? Did he know the exact moment when that will happen? Only approximate time? Did not know at all and bought the stocks by chance?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 6:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, at least that garage is now being put to good use! :) Hope you like you new digs.

Manufacturing:
Do they manufacture one kind of stuff? Multiple kinds of stuff? Exact identify of corporation relevant? True story? If not, could it conceivably happen in real life?

(wild stab) do they manufacture vehicles?

If not vehicles, is the stuff being manufactured bigger than a car? Smaller than car?

Would a typical homeowner own one of these? Is ownership a relevant concept with regard to the stuff being manufactured?

(a few more wild stabs) furniture? kitchen applicance? hygiene related items?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 4:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bojan Basic

One on the guys who were talking in the bus was employed at the company? No.
Both of them? No.
Is there two of them at all? Two men talking on the bus, yes. And William.
Relevant? not particularly.
The exact position in the company relevant? The director? Economist? FA here, but the position of one of the men William overheard is very relevant.

He had heard that something was going to happen, This part is right, so had waited till that happened and then bought the stocks but this part is wrong. - something along these lines?
Did he know the exact moment when that will happen? The exact moment? No.
Only approximate time? But No to this, as well.
Did not know at all and bought the stocks by chance? No, he bought the stock knowing for certain that the thing was going to happen.

Haenlomal
Well, at least that garage is now being put to good use! Yep. And this one doesn't leak, either! Hope you like you new digs. Oh, I do, I do.

Manufacturing:
Do they manufacture one kind of stuff? Multiple kinds of stuff? One kind of stuff.
Exact identify of corporation relevant? Identity? No. Stuff manufactured? Yes.
True story? I don't know.
If not, could it conceivably happen in real life? It could very easily have, yes.

(wild stab) do they manufacture vehicles? Wild stab futile, sorry, no.

If not vehicles, is the stuff being manufactured bigger than a car? Smaller than car? Smaller than a car generally, but I suppose one could be bigger than a car...

Would a typical homeowner own one of these? Very likely, as would others
Is ownership a relevant concept with regard to the stuff being manufactured? Oh, Yes.

(a few more wild stabs) furniture? kitchen applicance? hygiene related items? Don't hurt yourself with that knife. No, none of those.
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 9:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the thing use an electrical power? Do they make TVs?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 3:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bojan Basic

Does the thing use an electrical power? No.
Do they make TVs? No.
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 4:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Since they gave out high dividends - was the stock company extremely successful in this business year?
If yes:
Did the demand for their products rise?
Did a competitor for some reason not supply the market?
Did they improve their product?
Did they find a way to be able to sell cheaper?
Did they invent a completely new product?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 5:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Christiane Scharf

Since they gave out high dividends - was the stock company extremely successful in this business year? Yes, but there's the beginning of an FA there.
If yes:
Did the demand for their products rise? Yes, in a manner of speaking.
Did a competitor for some reason not supply the market? No.
Did they improve their product? Yes, for svv of "improve"
Did they find a way to be able to sell cheaper? No.
Did they invent a completely new product? No.
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 6:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


Quote:

Did they improve their product? Yes, for svv of "improve"



Did their product become more necessary? If so, did the guys who were talking in the bus have an influence on it, or they were just talking about what they had heard?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 7:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bojan Basic


Quote:

Did they improve their product? Yes, for svv of "improve"




Did their product become more necessary? Yes-ish -- explore.
If so, did the guys who were talking in the bus have an influence on it,Yes! or they were just talking about what they had heard? No.
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 8:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Christmas relevant? New Year relevant? New Year's tree relevant? Is it relevant that New Year's trees could be made of plastic, but also natural? Did the company made a plastic ones? A natural ones? Did the guys affect the wood somehow? Are they woodcutters?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 9:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bojan Basic

Christmas relevant? New Year relevant? New Year's tree relevant? Is it relevant that New Year's trees could be made of plastic, but also natural? Did the company made a plastic ones? A natural ones? Did the guys affect the wood somehow? Are they woodcutters?
No to all. Sorry.
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 9:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

:(

How about Valentine's day? Any holiday?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 11:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bojan Basic
Awww, don't be sad.

How about Valentine's day? No. Any holiday? Why, YES.
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 12:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK, which month is it in? [LTPF list of months here]
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 2:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bojan Basic

OK, which month is it in? [LTPF list of months here]
The holiday of relevance is in July.
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 3:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Any of these?

1 Canada Day

1 Creative Ice Cream Flavors Day

2 Build A Scarecrow Day - first Sunday in month

1 International Joke Day

2 I Forgot Day

2 World UFO Day

3 Compliment Your Mirror Day

3 Disobedience Day

3 Stay out of the Sun Day

4 Independence Day (U.S.)

4 National Country Music Day

4 Sidewalk Egg Frying Day- Hmmmm, I wonder why!?!

5 Work-a-holics Day - even though everyone is on holiday

6 National Fried Chicken Day

7 Chocolate Day

7 National Strawberry Sundae Day

8 Video Games Day

9 National Sugar Cookie Day

10 Teddy Bear Picnic Day

11 Cheer up the Lonely Day

11 World Population Day

12 Different Colored Eyes Day

12 Pecan Pie Day

13 Barbershop Music Appreciation Day

13 Embrace Your Geekness Day

13 Fool's Paradise Day

14 Bastille Day

14 Flag Day

14 Pandemonium Day

14 National Nude Day

15 Tapioca Pudding Day

15 Cow Appreciation Day- Go out and give a cow a hug

16 National Ice Cream Day (third Sunday of the month)

17 Peach Ice Cream Day

17 Yellow Pig Day

18 National Caviar Day- something's fishy here

19 National Raspberry Cake Day

20 Moon Day

20 Ugly Truck Day- it's a "guy" thing

21 National Junk Food Day

22 Hammock Day

22 Ratcatcher's Day

23 National Hot Dog Day

23 Vanilla Ice Cream Day

24 Cousins Day

24 Emilia Earhart Day

25 Culinarians Day

25 Threading the Needle Day

26 All or Nothing Day

26 Aunt and Uncle Day

27 Take Your Pants for a Walk Day

28 National Milk Chocolate Day

29 National Lasagna Day

30 Chinese Valentine's Day/Daughter's Day - 7th day of 7th Lunar Month

30 Parent's Day - fourth Sunday in July

30 National Cheesecake Day

30 Father-in-Law Day

31 Mutt's Day


Is it relevant that we know any of the habits people are having for this holiday?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 4:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bojan Basic

Any of these?

4 Independence Day (U.S.) As wonderful as some of the others are (I myself am particularly fond of Take Your Pants For A Walk Day and National Cheesecake Day) THIS ONE is the relevant holiday.

Is it relevant that we know any of the habits people are having for this holiday? One habit would be helpful, but there is something else about the holiday that is relevant as well.
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 4:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the company sell flags?
Is the year relevant? Was there a new star (=state) to be added to the flag so that people had to buy new flags?
rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 4:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

fireworks involved?
laws in many states restricting fireworks being loosened?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 5:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Christiane Scharf

Did the company sell flags? Yes!
Is the year relevant? Yes, it is.
Was there a new star (=state) to be added to the flag so that people had to buy new flags? Indeed there was. But that doesn't explain the profit again the next year, so go on...

Beccaann

fireworks involved? see above: No.
laws in many states restricting fireworks being loosened? So, No here, too.
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 8:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Another new state added the next year?
So there was even more flagmaking?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 2:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Solane

Another new state added the next year? Yep.
So there was even more flagmaking? Yep.

All that's really left is 1)who were the men William overheard, 2)what did he overhear, and, if you feel like it, 3)what year was it?
Robin Smith
Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 11:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he overhear the aquisition of Alska from the Russians?
And then the next 4th of July Hawaii would have been added.
1959 in case anyone wanted to know (I looked it up:))
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 2:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Robin Smith

Did he overhear the aquisition of Alska from the Russians? Not exactly. I doubt that the purchase was negotiated on a bus... But this is close enough, considering that you've got the rest of it.
And then the next 4th of July Hawaii would have been added. As it was, indeed.
1959 in case anyone wanted to know (I looked it up:))

*************SPOILER********************

On a cold January night in 1959, William sat on the Washington DC bus, heading for home. In the seat behind him he could hear two men (apparently the secretaries to a couple of congressmen) talking about the day's work. One of them mentioned that he was glad that the bill admitting Alaska as a state had passed that day.

William, being a good lateral thinker, realized that this bit of news would mean that people and companies all over the US would need new flags come the Fourth of July, when the admission would actually take place. On his way to work the next morning, he stopped at a stockbroker and bought all the stock in flag companies that he could afford.

Over the next five months, William's investment paid off handsomely as flag sales soared, and then, when Hawaii was admitted in 1960, it paid off again; a pleasant surprise.
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 4:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Take a few days off lateralpuzzles, and this one is already done. Sigh. :( Anyhow, it's a good one. :) Thanks for the puzzle.

Myself, I'm more partial to I Forgot Day, Embrace Your Geekness Day, and Yellow Pig Day. I gotta find where Bojan_Basic gets his handy dandy lists of holidays.

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