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Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Sunday, July 02, 2006 - 5:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi everyone, glad to see you again!

Some Guy went to a holiday and left a key of his house to his neighbour, asking him to sometimes check whether everything is fine and to feed his cat. After few days, the neighbour called the police to report a robbery in Some Guy's house. The clever police inspector found the culprit and arrested him -- it was the trusted neighbour!
Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
Posted on Sunday, July 02, 2006 - 5:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the fact that Some Guy has a cat important?
Does the neighbour have a cat?

Any details about the house relevant?
Any details about the inspector relevant?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Sunday, July 02, 2006 - 5:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the fact that Some Guy has a cat important? No.
Does the neighbour have a cat? Not relevant.

Any details about the house relevant? No.
Any details about the inspector relevant? No.
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Sunday, July 02, 2006 - 9:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The neighbour used his key - went into the house, and took all of Some Guy's stuff. The policeman knew the neighbour had a key, so he was obviously the first suspect.

Or is there more to it?
Were there any signs of forced entry? Smashed windows? Forced locks? Had he attempted to make it look as though someone had forced entry, but done so in such a way as it could not possibly have been done without a key? (e.g. there was smashed glass on the outside of a broken window)
Is it relevant what was stolen? Was anything stolen?
Did the neighbour sell Some Guy's stuff? relevant?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Sunday, July 02, 2006 - 9:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The neighbour used his key - went into the house, and took all of Some Guy's stuff. The policeman knew the neighbour had a key, so he was obviously the first suspect. Nothing like this.

Or is there more to it? Absolutely.
Were there any signs of forced entry? Yes. Smashed windows? Forced locks? Could be either, not really relevant. Had he attempted to make it look as though someone had forced entry, Yes. but done so in such a way as it could not possibly have been done without a key? No. (e.g. there was smashed glass on the outside of a broken window) No.
Is it relevant what was stolen? No. Was anything stolen? Yes.
Did the neighbour sell Some Guy's stuff? No. relevant? No.
Kai Gersmann (Stupidbeaver)
Posted on Sunday, July 02, 2006 - 9:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the neighbour rob the house himself? Or just planned the burglary? Were other people involved?

Did the neighbour know he was responsible for the burglary when he reported it to the police?

Did the neigbour want to be arrested for some strange reason?

Was the burglary planned before Some Guy went on holiday? Or was it a spontaneous decision?

Did the neigbour see something in Some Guy's house
which prompted him to rob the house? Was it some kind of revenge?

Was it the neighbour's first crime?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Sunday, July 02, 2006 - 10:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the neighbour rob the house himself? Yes. Or just planned the burglary? Were other people involved? No.

Did the neighbour know he was responsible for the burglary when he reported it to the police? Yes.

Did the neigbour want to be arrested for some strange reason? No.

Was the burglary planned before Some Guy went on holiday? Or was it a spontaneous decision? Not relevant.

Did the neigbour see something in Some Guy's house
which prompted him to rob the house? Was it some kind of revenge? His reasons are not relevant.

Was it the neighbour's first crime? Not relevant, say yes.
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Sunday, July 02, 2006 - 11:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the purpose of this puzzle to determine how the inspector knew it was the neighbour? Was the neighboure trying to frame someone else for the robbery? Did the neighbour leave a clue in some guys house which led to his arrest?

age? gender? occupation? of some guy relevant?
age? gender? occupation? of neighboure relevent?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Sunday, July 02, 2006 - 11:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the purpose of this puzzle to determine how the inspector knew it was the neighbour? Yes. Was the neighboure trying to frame someone else for the robbery? Yesish. Did the neighbour leave a clue in some guys house which led to his arrest? No.

age? gender? occupation? of some guy relevant?
age? gender? occupation? of neighboure relevent? No to all of these.
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 12:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the neighbour intending/hoping to get caught for the robbery? Did the neighbour have a good relationship with some guy? relevant? was the neighbour trying to frame some guy? Is the fact that the neighbour had a key relevant? are there relevant details which the neighbour disclosed to the police which helped the inspector determine it was him?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 12:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the neighbour intending/hoping to get caught for the robbery? No. Did the neighbour have a good relationship with some guy? Some Guy had thought that, but you don't rob anyone you have good relationship with. relevant? No. was the neighbour trying to frame some guy? No. Is the fact that the neighbour had a key relevant? It is relevant for one detail, but the essence would be the same if he hadn't had it, although I would like you to find out what is with the key. are there relevant details which the neighbour disclosed to the police which helped the inspector determine it was him? Yes!
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 12:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the key he left him to the front door? the back door? a door within the house? something else?

Is is relevant how many days after he guy went on holiday that the robbery took place?
Did the neighbour mention any of the following to the police:-

The fact that he was a neighbour?
That some guy was on holiday?
That he had a key?
Details about what was taken?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 12:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the key he left him to the front door? Say this, but not relevant. the back door? a door within the house? something else?

Is is relevant how many days after he guy went on holiday that the robbery took place? No.
Did the neighbour mention any of the following to the police:-

The fact that he was a neighbour? Yes.
That some guy was on holiday? Yes.
That he had a key? Yes!
Details about what was taken? No.
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 12:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant what the key was made from? Did the neighbour mention he had been inside the house? that he had been entrusted with looking after the place?

If the neighbour hadn't stolen anything but had rung the police reaporting breaking and entering would he still have been arrested? was he arrested for robbery and/or something else?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 12:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant what the key was made from? No. Did the neighbour mention he had been inside the house? No. that he had been entrusted with looking after the place? Yes.

If the neighbour hadn't stolen anything but had rung the police reaporting breaking and entering would he still have been arrested? Yes. was he arrested for robbery This. and/or something else?
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 11:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the neighbour claim to be out during the time of the robbery? Or did he claim to have witnessed it? When the neighbour robbed Some Guy, did he use the key at all?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 1:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the neighbour claim to be out during the time of the robbery? Or did he claim to have witnessed it? This! When the neighbour robbed Some Guy, did he use the key at all? No.
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 1:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he report something he couldn't have witnessed from outside the house?

Did he report details he could only have known if he had searched the house ("They stole the money that Some Guy used to hide under his matress!")?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 1:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he report something he couldn't have witnessed from outside the house? No.

Did he report details he could only have known if he had searched the house ("They stole the money that Some Guy used to hide under his matress!")? No.
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 1:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it something like--since he claimed to have witnessed the whole thing, he could easily have entered the house with his key and stopped the robber? Or he rang the police only after the robbers left, so the police wondered why he didn't ring them while he was "witnessing" the robbery?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 2:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it something like--since he claimed to have witnessed the whole thing, he could easily have entered the house with his key and stopped the robber? No. Or he rang the police only after the robbers left, so the police wondered why he didn't ring them while he was "witnessing" the robbery? No.
mira
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 2:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it somth he said involving the so called 'robber'?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
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Was it somth he said involving the so called 'robber'? Yes!
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 3:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He said the robber smashed the window and climbed in, but described him as fat, and the police knew that a fat guy wouldn't have been able to fit in the window? Something along those lines?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 3:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He said the robber smashed the window and climbed in, but described him as fat, and the police knew that a fat guy wouldn't have been able to fit in the window? No. Something along those lines? OTRT.
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 3:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The thing he said about the robber--was it a physical description? or something regarding his actions? Something that he wouldn't have been able to tell just by looking at the robber from his house?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 4:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The thing he said about the robber--was it a physical description? Yes. or something regarding his actions? No. Something that he wouldn't have been able to tell just by looking at the robber from his house? No.
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 4:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He said the robber was--
small? big? fat? thin? tall? short? young-looking? old-looking? Bald? Did he say he had some distinguishing feature on his face?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 4:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He said the robber was--
small? big? fat? thin? tall? short? young-looking? old-looking? Bald? Did he say he had some distinguishing feature on his face? Nothing of these.
rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 5:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the physical descrpition involve..

any facial characteristics?
clothing?
body size/shape?
race?
gender?
age?
a handicap? like a limp or deformity?

does the comment in and of itself lead to suspicion of the neighbor, or is it the comment in conjunction with some other evidence?

would the investigator have suspected the neighbor had he not made the physical description comment?

was the house locked when the investigator arrived?

when neighbor entered the house to rob it, did he use the door he had a key to? break a window? use another door?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 6:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the physical descrpition involve..

any facial characteristics? No.
clothing? Noish!
body size/shape? Noish!
race? No.
gender? No.
age? No.
a handicap? like a limp or deformity? No.

does the comment in and of itself lead to suspicion of the neighbor, or is it the comment in conjunction with some other evidence? Yope to both, explore this.

would the investigator have suspected the neighbor had he not made the physical description comment? No.

was the house locked when the investigator arrived? Not relevant.

when neighbor entered the house to rob it, did he use the door he had a key to? break a window? use another door? He did not use the key, but the particular way of entrance is not relevant.
rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 6:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So is it more like, the investigator would have suspected the neighbor from the comment alone, but some other evidence made him sure?

is this other evidence something physical about the scene? fingerprints? broken window? or more circumstancial, like time of day, whether its dark or light out? weather?

this noish clothing...gloves, hat, wig?

was the neighbor trying to frame someone in particular? someone that the inspector knew couldn't have done it?

did the inspector need to see the inside of the house before he suspected the neighbor?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 6:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So is it more like, the investigator would have suspected the neighbor from the comment alone, but some other evidence made him sure? No.

is this other evidence something physical about the scene? fingerprints? broken window? or more circumstancial, like time of day, whether its dark or light out? weather? This!

this noish clothing...gloves, hat, wig? No.

was the neighbor trying to frame someone in particular? No. someone that the inspector knew couldn't have done it? No.

did the inspector need to see the inside of the house before he suspected the neighbor? No.
rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 7:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

rainy? sunny? snowing? windy?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 7:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

rainy? sunny? snowing? This. windy?
rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 7:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was there snow where there shouldn't have been?
no snow where there should have been?

footprints in the snow?
lack of footprints in snow?

was something about the description of the robber inconsistent with the fact that it was snowing?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 7:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was there snow where there shouldn't have been? No.
no snow where there should have been? No.

footprints in the snow? No.
lack of footprints in snow? No.

was something about the description of the robber inconsistent with the fact that it was snowing? Yes!
rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 7:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

something he said the robber was wearing?
not wearing? scarf?
carrying?
the robbers method of transportation?

did the neighbor give details that he shouldn't have been able to see in the snowy weather?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 8:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

something he said the robber was wearing? Noish!
not wearing? No. scarf? No.
carrying? No.
the robbers method of transportation? No.

did the neighbor give details that he shouldn't have been able to see in the snowy weather? No.
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 8:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The noish to clothing - was it something that could be described as an accessory i.e. a bag? sunglasses?

Did the neighbour say that the so-called robber was carrying/wearing something that people generally wouldn't wear/carry if it was snowing?

Did the neighbour say that the so-called robber wasn't carrying/wearing something that people generally would wear/carry if it was snowing
rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 8:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so there is something on or about the so called robber's person, but you wouldn't really say he's "wearing it"?
on his person?
or about?
is it an actual thing? or a characteristic?
is it removable? or part of his body?
a tattoo?
a hairstyle?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 8:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Pandora

The noish to clothing - was it something that could be described as an accessory No. i.e. a bag? sunglasses?

Did the neighbour say that the so-called robber was carrying/wearing something that people generally wouldn't wear/carry if it was snowing? Noish!

Did the neighbour say that the so-called robber wasn't carrying/wearing something that people generally would wear/carry if it was snowing No.

Beccaann

so there is something on or about the so called robber's person, but you wouldn't really say he's "wearing it"? The "ish" part is not because of this.
on his person?
or about?
is it an actual thing? or a characteristic?
is it removable? or part of his body?
a tattoo? This!
a hairstyle?
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 8:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the neighbour have a previous criminal record?

Would it help to establish:
what this tattoo was supposedly of?
where this tattoo was said to have been?
rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 8:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Should the tattoo have been covered by the clothing you would expect someone to wear in the snow?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 8:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Pandora

Did the neighbour have a previous criminal record? Not relevant.

Would it help to establish:
what this tattoo was supposedly of? This is a minor detail, however I would like you to try. I gave a hint to it but it remained unnoticed.
where this tattoo was said to have been? Yes.

Beccaann

Should the tattoo have been covered by the clothing you would expect someone to wear in the snow? Yes!
rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 9:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I would guess the tattoo is a snake--from your title?
rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 9:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So the inspector knew the neighbor was lying because he gave the tattoo detail that was almost certainly made up given the weather.
Is there any other info we need to discover besides the detail concerning the importance of the key?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 9:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Beccaann

I would guess the tattoo is a snake--from your title? Right!

Beccaann

So the inspector knew the neighbor was lying because he gave the tattoo detail that was almost certainly made up given the weather. Correct. You may try to find out where the tattoo was.
Is there any other info we need to discover besides the detail concerning the importance of the key? The significance of the key is really not quite big, but I would like all details completed.
rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 9:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

tattoo:

chest?
shoulder?
arm?
back?
leg?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 10:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Beccaann

tattoo:

chest?
shoulder?
arm? This.
back?
leg?
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 10:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the something physical about the key itself that needs to be established?

Do we need to find out anything more about the tattoo?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 10:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the something physical about the key itself that needs to be established? No.

Do we need to find out anything more about the tattoo? No.
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 10:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The minor significance of the key, is it anything to do with: its history? where the neighbour kept it?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 10:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The minor significance of the key, is it anything to do with: its history? where the neighbour kept it? No to both.
mira
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 11:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he say the 'robber' attacked him and try to take the key?
pozdrav za mensu scg
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 11:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he say the 'robber' attacked him and try to take the key? No.
pozdrav za mensu scg U prednosti si, znas ko sam ja ali ne znam ko si ti. :)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 3:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


Quote:

Was the neighboure trying to frame someone else for the robbery? Yesish.




Quote:

was the neighbor trying to frame someone in particular? No.



Was the neighbor trying to frame someone who was a member of some organization / group/ club /gang that the tattoo would identify, but he didn't particularly care which member?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 8:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the neighbor trying to frame someone who was a member of some organization / group/ club /gang that the tattoo would identify, but he didn't particularly care which member? No.
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 3:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The fact that he had the key made the police certain that it was him, right? Did he tell the police that he had tried to stop the robbery? Did he give them details of his own actions at all?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 3:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The fact that he had the key made the police certain that it was him, right? No. Did he tell the police that he had tried to stop the robbery? No (other than calling them). Did he give them details of his own actions at all? Yes.
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 3:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he say he had used the key several times to get into the house to feed the cat etc? Did he say that he had been in the house earlier, on the day of the robbery?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 4:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he say he had used the key several times to get into the house to feed the cat etc? Not relevant. Did he say that he had been in the house earlier, on the day of the robbery? Not relevant.
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 4:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The actions of his that he told the police about--before he witnessed the robbery? During? After?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 4:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The actions of his that he told the police about--before he witnessed the robbery? During? This. After?
Mirjana Vidovic
Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 9:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So he said he had used (tried to use) the key during the robbery?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 11:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So he said he had used (tried to use) the key during the robbery? No.

I am not sure what are you trying to find out. His talking to the police is already clear, you only need to discover what is the importance of the key, and that is a detail and is more or less obvious.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 3:45 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The last time he had legitimately gone in the house had he left the door unlocked for his later trip to thieve? Did the police find the door unlocked?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 9:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The last time he had legitimately gone in the house had he left the door unlocked for his later trip to thieve? No. Did the police find the door unlocked? No.
Mirjana Vidovic
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 1:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, is this thing we're trying to find out about the key:
- it's use in the deduction process?
- it's use in the robbery?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 1:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, is this thing we're trying to find out about the key:
- it's use in the deduction process?
- it's use in the robbery? Neither.
rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 5:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ok, the key...

does this detail relate to:

-the fact that the neighbor had it at all?
-the locked/unlocked status of the house?
-the neighbors disclosure to the inspector that he had the key?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 6:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ok, the key...

does this detail relate to:

-the fact that the neighbor had it at all? Yes.
-the locked/unlocked status of the house? No.
-the neighbors disclosure to the inspector that he had the key? Yes.
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 8:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the house alarmed?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 8:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the house alarmed? No.
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 8:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the neighbour claim to have lost the key at some point? is it anything to do with where the neighbour kept the key while he was looking after it? Did he claim it didn't work when he tried to get into some guys house? Did he say it opened a certain lock on the house?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 8:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the neighbour claim to have lost the key at some point? is it anything to do with where the neighbour kept the key while he was looking after it? Did he claim it didn't work when he tried to get into some guys house? Did he say it opened a certain lock on the house? No to all.
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 8:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the neighbour claim to have given it to someone else? Did he tell the inspector he had sued the key to get inside the guys house? did he claim that the so-called other intruder used the key?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 8:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the neighbour claim to have given it to someone else? Did he tell the inspector he had sued the key to get inside the guys house? did he claim that the so-called other intruder used the key? No to all.
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 9:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the neighbour stress the fact that he had a key, so he couldn't have broken in?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 12:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the neighbour stress the fact that he had a key, so he couldn't have broken in? Please rephrase.
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 1:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What I meant to say:

The neighbour told the police that he had a key. But someone broke into the house using violence (broken window, door, ...). The neighbour, having a key, wouldn't have needed to break in violently.
I suppose, the neighbour was a little too eager to tell the police about that. Therefore, instead of having an alibi, he only aroused the police's suspicion.

Something like that?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 2:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What I meant to say:

The neighbour told the police that he had a key. But someone broke into the house using violence (broken window, door, ...). The neighbour, having a key, wouldn't have needed to break in violently.
I suppose, the neighbour was a little too eager to tell the police about that. Therefore, instead of having an alibi, he only aroused the police's suspicion.

Something like that? Correct!!!
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 2:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

****************************SPOILER*************************

When Some Guy had left, the neighbour thought: "Hey, he is a very rich man and he obviously trust me. If I rob the house and make it looks like forced entry, nobody will think I am the responsible because I could simply unlock the door and take what I want."

Neighbour: "Welcome inspector, I am glad you come."
Inspector: "Could you tell us what happened?"
Neighbour: "Of course. You see, Some Guy is my first neighbour for years. He went to a holiday and left me the key of his house, asking me to sometimes check whether everything is fine and to feed his cat. And so I came to his house, and when I got to the window I couldn't believe my eyes. There was a burgler in his house!"
Inspector: "Could you describe him?"
Neighbour: "I did not see his face quite clear, but there is one detail I remember. He had a giant tatoo of a snake which began at his hand and extended all the way to his elbow!"
Inspector: "It is very unlikely that somebody wears a shirt with short sleeves on this cold. You are under arrest!"
Neighbour: "Umm... Amm..."

Thanks to everyone who participated, and congratulations to Beccaann, I think she got the main point!

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