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Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 1:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A woman lies dead... Beside her is a broken vase.

Basic how and why.
My first dead person puzzle, tell me if it measures up if you make it to the end.
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 1:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Make it to the end, you say? Sounds like a plan.

Was the woman's death:

Murder?
Accidental?
Suicide?

Was the vase used in the woman's death?
Was the death due to the impact of the vase on any part of the woman?

Was the vase broken before the woman died?
During?
After?

Was anyone else involved?
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 1:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Make it to the end, you say? Sounds like a plan.It's a deal.

Was the woman's death:

Murder? No.
Accidental? Yes.
Suicide? No.

Was the vase used in the woman's death? No.
Was the death due to the impact of the vase on any part of the woman? No.

Was the vase broken before the woman died? No.
During? Maybe...
After? But more likely immeadiatly after.

Was anyone else involved? Yope...
Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 2:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are any other items relevant?
Are any other people relevant?

Did this happen indoors? In her house/apartment?

Did she fall(?) from a chair/ladder/table?
Did her falling body knock the vase over?
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 2:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are any other items relevant? Yope.
Are any other people relevant? No-ish.

Did this happen indoors?Yes. In her house/apartment? Exactly.

Did she fall(?) from a chair/ladder/table? No.
Did her falling body knock the vase over? No, no falling body, therefore no knocking over by falling body.
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 3:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Animals relevant? Scared cat running around knocking over the vase?
Electricity relevant?
Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 6:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the woman's body touch the vase (during the relevant time)?
Was the vase knocked over by someone? by something?

Are any further details of the vase relevant?
size? color? prize? age?

Did she die of a physical influence (knife, bullet in her body? struck dead?)?
Was it a heart attack?
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 8:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Animals relevant?YES!
Scared cat running around knocking over the vase? Yope.
Electricity relevant? No.

Good job Christiane!


Did the woman's body touch the vase (during the relevant time)? No.
Was the vase knocked over by someone?Yopeish. by something? Yopeish.

It depends on one's definition of someone/something. If you wanted to rephrase...?

Are any further details of the vase relevant?
size? color? prize? age? No other physical features of vase relevent...

Did she die of a physical influence (knife, bullet in her body? struck dead?)? Yes, but not one you named.
Was it a heart attack? No.

Getting warmer... I didn't think this would go so fast. I apologise for underestimating the lateral prowess of you folks here.
Virendra Pratap Singh (Emptyhead)
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 10:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the animal (cat or whatever) caused her death?
Is her death a result of her own fault?
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 1:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the animal (cat or whatever) caused her death? YES!
Is her death a result of her own fault? No...-ish.
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 1:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the animal, in fact, a cat?
Dog?
Some other kind of domestic pet kept indoors?
Relevant?

Did she trip and fall on this animal?

Would an autopsy have revealed the death as being due to:

Slashing?
Piercing?
Bludgeoning/Concussion?

Did she bleed to death?
Was she more prominently bruised?
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 2:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the animal, in fact, a cat? YES!
Dog? No.
Some other kind of domestic pet kept indoors? No.
Relevant? Yes, maybe not in specific detail, but general idea.

Did she trip and fall on this animal? No, much to easy. Nice try though.

Would an autopsy have revealed the death as being due to:

Slashing?No.
Piercing? No.
BludgeoningNo-ish./Concussion? No.

Did she bleed to death? No.
Was she more prominently bruised? More than what? She is somewhat bruised.
Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 5:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So did the cat knock the vase over?

Did she try to catch the vase?

Did she use a cat's toy which would make her cat run around, causing her death?

Was she killed because of a direct physical influence of her cat? Or did the cat "touch" something that caused her death?
A heavy piece of furniture (something the vase stood on?)?
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 12:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So did the cat knock the vase over? YES!

Did she try to catch the vase? No.

Did she use a cat's toy which would make her cat run around, causing her death? No.

Was she killed because of a direct physical influence of her cat? YES!
Or did the cat "touch" something that caused her death? Not the way I think you mean it.
A heavy piece of furniture (something the vase stood on?)? No.
Virendra Pratap Singh (Emptyhead)
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 8:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is vase related to her death?
Is vase relvant at all??
Can't decide if I should go after vase or the cat :-(
Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 8:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she do anything with the cat that made the cat knock the vase over?
Was she nearby the vase when the cat touched it?
If the vase hadn't been there, would the woman be dead anyway?
Claws relevant?
Did the cat jump onto her?
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 8:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is vase related to her death? Peripherally.
Is vase relvant at all?? Mostly there to help you find the cat. And what the cat did.
Can't decide if I should go after vase or the cat :-) Definantly the cat.

So sneaky... I always wanted to hide white text in my answers.

Did she do anything with the cat that made the cat knock the vase over? No.
Was she nearby the vase when the cat touched it? Maybe a couple feet away.
If the vase hadn't been there, would the woman be dead anyway? Yes.
Claws relevant? No.
Did the cat jump onto her? Yope.
Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 8:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So the cat was running around without a special reason? It knocked the vase over accidently?
Was it jumping?

Furniture relevant?

Was the woman standing?
Was she lying--
on a couch?
in her bed?
on the floor?
somewhere else?
Is the exact position and orientation of her body relevant?
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 9:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this correct: The cat did something (which turns out to be the cause of the woman's death) and then it ran over the vase?
Did the cat bite her?
Did the woman have any relevant diseases? injuries (before the cat accident happened)?
Are there any other objects involved besides the vase? any other animals besides the cat?
Did the woman scare the cat? Did the cat scare the woman?
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 2:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So the cat was running around without a special reason? FA
It knocked the vase over accidently? Yes.
Was it jumping? YES!

Furniture relevant? Yes-ish.

Was the woman standing? No.
Was she lying--
on a couch? No.
in her bed? YES!
on the floor? No.
somewhere else? No.
Is the exact position and orientation of her body relevant? No with a tiny -ish

Yodel if you can hear me! And see my above post for small hint.

Is this correct: The cat did something (which turns out to be the cause of the woman's death)Yes. and then it ran over the vase? No\FA.
Did the cat bite her? No.
Did the woman have any relevant diseases? No.
injuries (before the cat accident happened)? No.
Are there any other objects involved besides the vase? Yes-ish.
any other animals besides the cat? Yes-ish.
Did the woman scare the cat?No.
Did the cat scare the woman? No.
Robin Smith
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 2:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

does the woman have an allergy to cats?
Is the woman human?
Did she choke on anything? Cat hair?

Was the cat scared by a noise the woman made as she died?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 2:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the cat jump immediately before the woman died? as the woman was dying? immediately after the woman died?

Did the cat jump onto the woman? (possibly from a dresser? from a tall cat-tree? from a windowsill?)

Is the cat a normal everyday house-type cat? a larger-than-normal cat? Is the size? or weight? of the cat relevant?
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 3:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the cat chasing something? a fly? a mouse?
If the cat jumped onto the woman - did its impact on her cause the death?

Did the cat jump down from some board over the bed (on which the vase was standing?) and thus cause the board to fall down onto the woman (and the vase to break?)?
Laura Kozma (Lkozma)
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 5:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were there flowers in the vase? Something else? Water?

Did she commit suicide? Did the vase hold someone's ashes?

Did she get pricked by thorns in the flowers she was putting into the vase? Was the cat trying to eat the flowers?
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 5:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

does the woman have an allergy to cats? No.
Is the woman human? Yes.
Did she choke on anything? No. Cat hair? No.

Was the cat scared by a noise the woman made as she died? No.


Did the cat jump immediately before the woman died?
as the woman was dying? Immeadiately before or during.
immediately after the woman died?

Did the cat jump onto the woman?No.
(possibly from a dresser? from a tall cat-tree? from a windowsill?) No.

Is the cat a normal everyday house-type cat? Everyday housecat, slightly lager than average.
a larger-than-normal cat? Is the size? or weight?
of the cat relevant? Somewhat relevent.


Was the cat chasing something? a fly?Yes-ish, slight FA. a mouse?
If the cat jumped onto the womanNo. - did its impact on her cause the death?

Did the cat jump down from some board over the bed (on which the vase was standing?) and thus cause the board to fall down onto the woman (and the vase to break?)? No.


Were there flowers in the vase? Something else? Water? Irrelevent.

Did she commit suicide?No. Did the vase hold someone's ashes? Irrelevent.

Did she get pricked by thorns in the flowers she was putting into the vase? No. Was the cat trying to eat the flowers? No.

Nice work all, almost there!
Whew, done with my French final. Only one more to go. Earth Science, my most confident one.
Some questions are so close, but are FA because of slight details. A change of perspective might help.
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 5:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

does the woman have an allergy to cats? No.
Is the woman human? Yes.
Did she choke on anything? No. Cat hair? No.

Was the cat scared by a noise the woman made as she died? No.


Did the cat jump immediately before the woman died?
as the woman was dying? Immeadiately before or during.
immediately after the woman died?

Did the cat jump onto the woman?No.
(possibly from a dresser? from a tall cat-tree? from a windowsill?) No.

Is the cat a normal everyday house-type cat? Everyday housecat, slightly lager than average.
a larger-than-normal cat? Is the size? or weight?
of the cat relevant? Somewhat relevent.


Was the cat chasing something? a fly?Yes-ish, slight FA. a mouse?
If the cat jumped onto the womanNo. - did its impact on her cause the death?

Did the cat jump down from some board over the bed (on which the vase was standing?) and thus cause the board to fall down onto the woman (and the vase to break?)? No.


Were there flowers in the vase? Something else? Water? Irrelevent.

Did she commit suicide?No. Did the vase hold someone's ashes? Irrelevent.

Did she get pricked by thorns in the flowers she was putting into the vase? No. Was the cat trying to eat the flowers? No.

Nice work all, almost there!
Whew, done with my French final. Only one more to go. Earth Science, my most confident one.
Some questions are so close, but are FA because of slight details. A change of perspective might help.
Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
Posted on Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 8:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The woman was lying in her bed because she was--
sleeping?
being ill?
relaxing?
Eyes open? closed? Relevant?

Some sorts of medical machines involved?
Did the cat pull out some wires which were necessary to help the woman survive?

Type of bed relevant?
Normal bed?
Waterbed?
Double bed?

Was the cat jumping on the bed? Several times?
If so: did the jumping of the cat turn the woman around, suffocating her?
Was the woman dying anyway (without the "help" of the cat)?

Someone / some animal / something else relevant being in the bed? In the room?
Is it in her bedroom?
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 4:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The woman was lying in her bed because she was--
sleeping? Yes.
being ill? No.
relaxing? Yes.
Eyes open?No. closed?Yes. Relevant? That she was sleeping, yes.

Some sorts of medical machines involved? No.
Did the cat pull out some wires which were necessary to help the woman survive? No.

Type of bed relevant? No.
Normal bed? Yes.
Waterbed? No.
Double bed? Irrelevant.

Was the cat jumping on the bed?No-ish. Several times? No.
If so: did the jumping of the cat turn the woman around, suffocating her? No.
Was the woman dying anyway (without the "help" of the cat)? No

Someone / some animal / something else relevant being in the bed?No. In the room? Just the cat, the woman and the aforementioned fly.
Is it in her bedroom? Yes.
So close, just put it all together. I get the feeling that some of you had forgotten or not noticed the fly. I also get the feeling that I'm talking to myself, as no one is probably ever going to highlight and see this.
Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 4:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the cat is jumping once, trying to catch a flying fly?
Was it jumping to get onto some piece of furniture? The bed?
Does it hit the vase when jumping off? when landing? during the flight?

Does it jump off the bed? Land on the bed?
Was any furniture damaged by cat?

Do all the relevant things happen during the jump of the cat (including take off and landing)?
Was there a time before? after?

Did the woman have a blanket? Relevant?
Free space under her bed relevant?
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 2:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the cat is jumping once, trying to catch a flying fly? Yes.
Was it jumping to get onto some piece of furniture?No. The bed?
Does it hit the vase when jumping off? when landing? during the flight? No to all.

Does it jump off the bed?Yope. Land on the bed? No.
Was any furniture damaged by cat? No.

Do all the relevant things happen during the jump of the cat (including take off and landing)? Yes-ish
Was there a time before?Shortly. after? A minute or so.

Did the woman have a blanket? Relevant? No.
Free space under her bed relevant?No.
Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 5:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the cat jump off the sleeping woman?
Does this cause her death?

Did the cat jump more than once?
Twice? Three times? More often?

Is the vase broken before the jump? After?
Did the cat land at the same spot it jumped off?
Did it land somewhere higher? lower?

Anything else about the fly relevant?

Were the times "womans death caused" and "woman died" the same? Did it take her a minute to die?
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 4:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the cat jump off the sleeping woman? YES!
Does this cause her death? YES!

Did the cat jump more than once? No.
Twice? Three times? More often?

Is the vase broken before the jump?No. After? Yes.
Did the cat land at the same spot it jumped off? No.
Did it land somewhere higher?Yes lower? No.

Anything else about the fly relevant? No, just that the cat jumped at it.

Were the times "womans death caused" and "woman died" the same?Roughly. Did it take her a minute to die? Probably not.
Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 7:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the woman get a cardiac arrest because of this?
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 7:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the woman get a cardiac arrest because of this? No.

Acyually, I think you've got this enought to post a sp0i13r, unless someone wants to sum up the situation an sp0i1 for me.
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 12:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Seeing as this had died, the Spoiler.

The woman goes into her bedroom to take a nap. A little later, the cat goes in to take a nap on the woman's chest. The cat sees a fly on the shelf near the woman's bed. The cat crouches, then takes a flying leap at it. In doing so it breaks the woman's sternum, I think it's called, killing her. The cat then walks along the shelf, upset at missing the fly, and pushes the woman's vase off, breaking it.


Inspired by my fear of my cat killing me after I learned that you can kill someone by hitting their sternum hard enough. I guess I can't say I learned nothing in health class... I'm over that now. Mostly.
Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 7:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

mhh I actually had the same idea in mind with my last question, but after what I have heared, hitting the sternum hard enough causes a cardiac arrest that kills you.
Never mind, nice puzzle!
fgf
Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 6:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

a cat wouldnt be able to apply enough force leaping off even a childs chest as to break the sternum, its difficult enough for people to break it.

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