| Author | Message | ||
| Neil Gummow (Dodgyken)
New member Username: Dodgyken Post Number: 14 Registered: 3-2005 |
Three and half sides makes it complete. | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 326 Registered: 3-2006 |
Shot in the dark: is this a very early recording of an opera, say, on 78rpm records? Sides of paper? Sides of a polygon? Sides of disc or similar? Sides of beef? | ||
| Neil Gummow (Dodgyken)
New member Username: Dodgyken Post Number: 15 Registered: 3-2005 |
Shot in the dark: is this a very early recording of an opera, say, on 78rpm records? No Sides of paper? No Sides of a polygon? No Sides of disc or similar? No Sides of beef? No | ||
| Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
New member Username: Lzeiters Post Number: 826 Registered: 6-2005 |
Food relevant? construction relevant? a room relevant? (3 1/2 sides of a room is typically "wall" space...is this relevant?) is this task-oriented, or is it simply by confirming the existence of 3 1/2 sides it is complete? | ||
| dodgyken Unregistered guest |
Food relevant? NO construction relevant? NO a room relevant? NO (3 1/2 sides of a room is typically "wall" space...is this relevant?) NO is this task-oriented YES, or is it simply by confirming the existence of 3 1/2 sides it is complete? NO | ||
| John Morahan (Wunderland)
New member Username: Wunderland Post Number: 1267 Registered: 3-2005 |
Four-a-side soccer? | ||
| Neil Gummow (Dodgyken)
New member Username: Dodgyken Post Number: 16 Registered: 3-2005 |
Four-a-side soccer? No | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 342 Registered: 3-2006 |
When "it" is complete, how many sides will it have? 4? 5? 6? 7? 8? 9? 10? More than 10? Is "it" a real, physical object? Is it tangible? Will it be tangible when it is complete? If so, will it be bigger than, say, a cat - when it is complete? When complete, will it be more than double its original size? Less than double? Exactly double? Can it be completed by a human being? Are any special skills needed to complete it? Is minute steak relevant? In fact, is the title relevant at all? | ||
| Neil Gummow (Dodgyken)
New member Username: Dodgyken Post Number: 17 Registered: 3-2005 |
When "it" is complete, how many sides will it have? 4? Yope 5? No 6? No 7? No 8? No 9? No 10? No More than 10? No Is "it" a real, physical object? No Is it tangible? No Will it be tangible when it is complete? No If so, will it be bigger than, say, a cat - when it is complete? No When complete, will it be more than double its original size? No Less than double? No Exactly double? No Can it be completed by a human being? Yes Are any special skills needed to complete it? Yes Is minute steak relevant? No In fact, is the title relevant at all? Yope | ||
| Anastas (Aragorn)
New member Username: Aragorn Post Number: 40 Registered: 8-2004 |
Does it belong to any of these areas: education? religion? philosophy? mathematics? astronomy? history? color theory? other sciences? art? Is "it" something in the future? something of the past? Or can it be complete in present days? Any movies, books, games, urban legends relevant? | ||
| Neil Gummow (Dodgyken)
New member Username: Dodgyken Post Number: 18 Registered: 3-2005 |
Does it belong to any of these areas: education? No religion? Yope philosophy? No mathematics? No astronomy? history? Yes color theory? No other sciences? No art? No Is "it" something in the future? Yes something of the past? Yes Or can it be complete in present days? Yes Any movies, books, games, urban legends relevant? No | ||
| John Morahan (Wunderland)
New member Username: Wunderland Post Number: 1269 Registered: 3-2005 |
Is it a game or other activity in which different teams or "sides" compete against each other? | ||
| Neil Gummow (Dodgyken)
New member Username: Dodgyken Post Number: 19 Registered: 3-2005 |
Is it a game or other activity in which different teams or "sides" compete against each other? No | ||
| Dodgyken (Dodgyken)
New member Username: Dodgyken Post Number: 20 Registered: 3-2005 |
A refresh to try and get this kick started - didnt think it was that challenging Three and half sides makes it complete. What do we know so far? 4 sides? Sort of hence the yope, but it is complete at 3 and a half sides Steak in the title? Is a cryptic clue, but you have to get close to the answer to realise it Task? It is a task Religious? Not directly. History? Yes it is definately historical. However the task was done, is done, and will be done in the future. I hope that helps without someone getting the answer immediately. | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 219 Registered: 8-2006 |
Wonder why no one is biting anymore Is the object tangible? | ||
| Dodgyken (Dodgyken)
New member Username: Dodgyken Post Number: 21 Registered: 3-2005 |
Is the object tangible? No - as I said in the refresher above it is a task. Wonder why no one is biting anymore You and me both. I thought it was quite a nice puzzle requiring a rather good level of lateral thought. I guess the members arent as smart as I thought. ***Grins in a devilish manner*** | ||
| Mycroft (Mycroft)
New member Username: Mycroft Post Number: 170 Registered: 10-2003 |
How many people would it take to perform this task? 1? less then 5? less than ten? less than 100? more? How far back in history was this first performed - BC? before the 10th century? before the 15th? before the 20th? later? Would you normally start at no sides and work your way up to 3 1/2? | ||
| Wunderland (Wunderland)
New member Username: Wunderland Post Number: 1293 Registered: 3-2005 |
Anything to do with martial arts? | ||
| Dodgyken (Dodgyken)
New member Username: Dodgyken Post Number: 22 Registered: 3-2005 |
That is more like it How many people would it take to perform this task? 1? YES - actually only 1 performs it!!! less then 5? YES less than ten? YES less than 100? YES more? NO How far back in history was this first performed - BC? NO before the 10th century? NO before the 15th? YES before the 20th? Yes later? NO Would you normally start at no sides and work your way up to 3 1/2? YES Anything to do with martial arts? No | ||
| Mycroft (Mycroft)
New member Username: Mycroft Post Number: 176 Registered: 10-2003 |
is this a task you can do without moving? Do you need any special equipment in addition to the special skills? | ||
| Dodgyken (Dodgyken)
New member Username: Dodgyken Post Number: 23 Registered: 3-2005 |
is this a task you can do without moving? No Do you need any special equipment in addition to the special skills? Yes | ||
| Mycroft (Mycroft)
New member Username: Mycroft Post Number: 177 Registered: 10-2003 |
Is it a task that is repeated at certain intervals, eg weekly or annually? For religious reasons? Cultural reasons? Is the special equipment something you need to wear? Would there be any point in wearing it if you weren't involved in this task? Or if you didn't have the special skills? | ||
| Dodgyken (Dodgyken)
New member Username: Dodgyken Post Number: 24 Registered: 3-2005 |
Is it a task that is repeated at certain intervals, eg weekly or annually? Yes For religious reasons? Yope Cultural reasons? Yes Is the special equipment something you need to wear? Yope Would there be any point in wearing it if you weren't involved in this task? Yope Or if you didn't have the special skills? Yope Use is more important than wear but it would be worn. It could be worn by someone not doing the task, and someone who couldnt do the task. It is however unlikely that this would happen. | ||
| Alan_s (Alan_s)
New member Username: Alan_s Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2006 |
My first post... Does the special equipment have a practical function required for the task? Is it ceremonial? Does it indicate the status of the wearer in some way? Is it heavy? The "sides" - are they concepts, e.g. sides to a debate? A measurement? Do they have a fixed size? Of distance? time intervals? | ||
| Ollyrukes (Ollyrukes)
New member Username: Ollyrukes Post Number: 12 Registered: 8-2006 |
sides as in sides of beef or other meat? (i'm thinking along the steak lines here  ) | ||
| Dodgyken (Dodgyken)
New member Username: Dodgyken Post Number: 25 Registered: 3-2005 |
Does the special equipment have a practical function required for the task? Yes - most definately so Is it ceremonial? Yes Does it indicate the status of the wearer in some way? No Is it heavy? Define heavy The "sides" - are they concepts, e.g. sides to a debate? A measurement? Do they have a fixed size? Of distance? time intervals? No to all. The sides are tangible sides as in sides of beef or other meat? No - but there is a clue hidden in the title. | ||
| Alan_s (Alan_s)
New member Username: Alan_s Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2006 |
>>Is it heavy? Define heavy Heavier than an ant? A mouse? A cat? A person? A horse? An elephant? A whale? Is the special equipment carried in the hands? attached to a belt or similar? (is it a belt?) does the user ride the equipment? is it a weapon? a tool? (smaller than a hammer? larger than a hammer?) a measuring device? is its function to shield the wearer in some way? against cold? against heat? against impact? against cutting? is it made of metal? fabric? wood? stone/mineral? animal hides? other? is this a specific historical event? was the task performed in a single location? did it have to be a specific location? or could it have been done anywhere? did the task involve travel? did it require a particular person or persons to be present? could anyone have done it? was it performed indoors? outdoors? on land? at sea? up a mountain? are the sides parts of the "it" that becomes complete? or are they parts of something else? | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 430 Registered: 7-2006 |
Does the approach to the task move in steps: - 1 - 2 - 3 - 3 1/2 - done? or smaller increments? Only 1 person performs the task - Just any person (though only one at any given time)? Or a specific type of person in a position to do this? Or only one actual person, e.g. Jesus? | ||
| Dodgyken (Dodgyken)
New member Username: Dodgyken Post Number: 26 Registered: 3-2005 |
At the whole place suddenly wakes up!!!! Heavier than an ant? Yes A mouse? Yes A cat? No A person? No A horse? No An elephant? No A whale? No Is the special equipment carried in the hands? Yes attached to a belt or similar? No (is it a belt?) No does the user ride the equipment? No is it a weapon? No a tool? No (smaller than a hammer? larger than a hammer?) No a measuring device? No is its function to shield the wearer in some way? No against cold? No against heat? No against impact? No against cutting? Nois it made of metal? Yes fabric? No wood? No stone/mineral? No animal hides? No other? No is this a specific historical event? Yes was the task performed in a single location? Yes did it have to be a specific location? Nope or could it have been done anywhere? No did the task involve travel? Nope did it require a particular person or persons to be present? No could anyone have done it? Yope was it performed indoors? Yes outdoors? Yope on land? Yes at sea? No up a mountain? No are the sides parts of the "it" that becomes complete? No or are they parts of something else? Yes Does the approach to the task move in steps: - 1 - 2 - 3 - 3 1/2 - done? Yes or smaller increments? No Only 1 person performs the task - Just any person (though only one at any given time)? No Or a specific type of person in a position to do this? Yes Or only one actual person, e.g. Jesus? No It is very challenging to answer a lot of these questions, but to clarify 1 person performs the task at anyone time. Anyone could perform the task if they were trained. In practice though that doesnt happen. | ||
| Alan_s (Alan_s)
New member Username: Alan_s Post Number: 8 Registered: 8-2006 |
was the person who first performed the task specially selected or appointed to perform it? by aptitude? by election? by status? royalty? priesthood/monk/nun? warrior/military? musician? artist? physician? other? did this person willingly perform the task? was (s)he forced to by others? by circumstances? was anyone else present when the task was performed? is the special equipment a key? a coin? is only one piece of equipment used to perform the task? when others repeat the task, is the exact same item used, or are similar objects used instead? | ||
| Dodgyken (Dodgyken)
New member Username: Dodgyken Post Number: 27 Registered: 3-2005 |
was the person who first performed the task specially selected or appointed to perform it? Yes by aptitude? Yes by election? No by status? No royalty? No priesthood/monk/nun? Nowarrior/military? No musician? Yes artist? No physician? No other? No did this person willingly perform the task? Yes was (s)he forced to by others? No by circumstances? Yes was anyone else present when the task was performed? No is the special equipment a key? No a coin? No is only one piece of equipment used to perform the task? Yes when others repeat the task, is the exact same item used, No or are similar objects used instead? Yes | ||
| Alan_s (Alan_s)
New member Username: Alan_s Post Number: 10 Registered: 8-2006 |
object = musical instrument? brass? wind? strings? (er, metal, so i guess no...) percussion? trumpet? cornet? bugle? flute? piccolo? was the task a musical performance? composition? inaugural performance of a certain piece of music? (i suppose that doesn't fit with no-one else being present, but maybe worth asking?) | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 456 Registered: 7-2006 |
Schubert's Unfinished Symphony relevant? Some part played by one musician in the piece | ||
| Mycroft (Mycroft)
New member Username: Mycroft Post Number: 203 Registered: 10-2003 |
Are the three and a half sides referring to pages of music? and the last half a side doesn't contain any notes? | ||
| Dodgyken (Dodgyken)
New member Username: Dodgyken Post Number: 28 Registered: 3-2005 |
object = musical instrument? Yes brass? Yes wind? No strings? No (er, metal, so i guess no...) percussion? No trumpet? Nocornet? No bugle? Yes flute? Nopiccolo? No was the task a musical performance? Nocomposition? No inaugural performance of a certain piece of music? No (i suppose that doesn't fit with no-one else being present, but maybe worth asking?) No Schubert's Unfinished Symphony relevant? No Some part played by one musician in the piece Are the three and a half sides referring to pages of music? No and the last half a side doesn't contain any notes? No | ||
| Alan_s (Alan_s)
New member Username: Alan_s Post Number: 32 Registered: 8-2006 |
did the task involve playing the bugle? playing a fanfare? | ||
| Dodgyken (Dodgyken)
New member Username: Dodgyken Post Number: 29 Registered: 3-2005 |
did the task involve playing the bugle? Yes playing a fanfare? Yope | ||
| Alan_s (Alan_s)
New member Username: Alan_s Post Number: 33 Registered: 8-2006 |
is he playing a national anthem? playing to mark an occassion or event? | ||
| Dodgyken (Dodgyken)
New member Username: Dodgyken Post Number: 30 Registered: 3-2005 |
is he playing a national anthem? No playing to mark an occassion or event? Yope I am looking for quite a lot of detail in the final answer - and you are edging ever closer - well done. | ||
| Mycroft (Mycroft)
New member Username: Mycroft Post Number: 219 Registered: 10-2003 |
Does the task involve playing the bugle in different ways? Facing different directions? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 322 Registered: 8-2006 |
still trying to find the meaning of steak in the title. Oh well... Are the notes it the piece relevant? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 323 Registered: 8-2006 |
WAIT A SECOND!!!! Is this about the broken note of krakow?!? | ||
| Erik (Erik)
New member Username: Erik Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2006 |
I think Crazypalpig got it (The Trumpeteer of Karkow) Anyway, Is the 3 1/2 pertaining to 3 1/2 beats (as in music)? | ||
| Mycroft (Mycroft)
New member Username: Mycroft Post Number: 223 Registered: 10-2003 |
Ahh - and the steak reference is for the Tartars? very nice! | ||
| Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab Post Number: 1312 Registered: 2-2005 |
This may be the last bit: does 3 1/2 sides refer to the fact that the Trumpeter of Krakow sounds his alarum in three directions from three sides of the tower, then breaks off halfway through the piece while facing the fourth direction on the fourth side? Nice leap to the probable solution, crazypalpig!! | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 332 Registered: 8-2006 |
Thanks, Rabrab! Now all we need is DodgyKen to answer us... | ||
| Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab Post Number: 1320 Registered: 2-2005 |
Here, DodgyKen. Cm'ere boy, there's a good DodgyKen. <whistles...>  | ||
| Erik (Erik)
New member Username: Erik Post Number: 22 Registered: 9-2006 |
*laughs at Rabrab* I really think crazypalpig got it. Great job Crazypalpig! I even researched the trumpeter of Krakow when you typed it. hehe | ||
| Dodgyken (Dodgyken)
New member Username: Dodgyken Post Number: 31 Registered: 3-2005 |
OOOOOWWWWWWW Please stop me laughing. I was away for the weekend - enjoying the outdoors, the sun, and blasting my car up any mountain pass I could find ************SPOILER******************** Crazypalpig got it. And Mycroft figured out the cryptic title. This does refer to the Trumpeter (actualy a Bugle) of Krakow. On the hour the Trumpeter would ascend the church tower and play the Hymm of Our Lady to the 4 winds. In 1241 he was playing this and on the East Side he noticed a rather large horde of Tartars. He kept playing to awaken the city and get them out to defend. The Tartars are not only renowned as rather nifty horsemen but also useful archers. Our clever trumpeter tragically made contact with one such arrow - the arrow unfortunately travelling at such speed that by using his neck to catch the arrow proved fatal. His actions were smart enough and quick enough that the town defended the attack and the tartars were sent home. Upto the present day, a trumpeter plays the Hymm of our Lady on the hour every hour to the 4 winds. When he plays the east wind he stops half way through - IE 3 1/2 sides is complete. The trumpeters are all members of the Krakow fire service. That was my first puzzle, hope you enjoyed it - it might prove challenging to come up with another one!!! | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 339 Registered: 8-2006 |
Arf Arf! | ||
| Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab Post Number: 1321 Registered: 2-2005 |
Good puzzle, DodgyKen! Thanks. |
