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John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 6:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When Barbara had been in London 5 years ago for a couple of weeks, on business, she had hooked up with two guys, Jim and Sam. She'd really really liked Jim, he was the perfect guy for her, they sat up all night talking, they went for moonlit strolls in the park, they'd really connected, she'd been sorry when she'd had to leave him at the end of the two weeks. Sam she'd gotten on okay with, she'd had a laugh with him, but she'd pretty much stopped seeing him once she met Jim. She much preferred Jim to Sam in every way. So why, when she came back to London last week, did Barbara contact Sam, and not Jim?

I think I ran this here a (very) long time ago. If anyone thinks they remember it, email me and we'll see if you're right.
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 6:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is she not able to communicate with Jim? Did Jim move houses? Did Jim change his telephone number? Is Jim dead by now?
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 6:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is she not able to communicate with Jim? she isn't Did Jim move houses? yes Did Jim change his telephone number? no Is Jim dead by now? no
Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 6:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had she ever even lost contact with Jim in the first place?
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 8:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had she ever even lost contact with Jim in the first place? yes

to clarify my answer to "Is she not able to communicate with Jim?" is "no, she is not able to communicate with Jim" - damned English and it's confusing ways of dealing with negative questions.
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 8:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does she still prefer Jim to Sam in every way? Did Barbara call Sam last week with the intention of hooking up? Did Barbara try to contact Jim when she was not in London? When she came back to London, did she try to contact Jim before Sam? after she had contacted Sam? Is Jim still in London?
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 9:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does she still prefer Jim to Sam in every way? yes Did Barbara call Sam last week with the intention of hooking up? yes Did Barbara try to contact Jim when she was not in London? no When she came back to London, did she try to contact Jim before Sam? no after she had contacted Sam? no Is Jim still in London? irrelevant
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 2:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does she want to hook up with Jim? Does she think Jim doesn't want her? Did she find out something unpleasant about Jim? Reason for losing contact with Jim after leaving London relevant? When she was not in London, was she in touch with Sam? Did Sam ask her to contact him if she came to London again?
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 4:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Jim dead?In prison?
John Faben (Bentarm)
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Does she want to hook up with Jim? yes Does she think Jim doesn't want her? no Did she find out something unpleasant about Jim? no Reason for losing contact with Jim after leaving London relevant? no When she was not in London, was she in touch with Sam? no Did Sam ask her to contact him if she came to London again? irrelevant

Is Jim dead?In prison? no to both
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Did anything relevant happen to her when she was not in London? to Jim? to Sam? Do Jim and Sam know each other? Relevant? Does she want to contact Jim, but fears that something bad will happen if she does? Is she right not to contact Jim? Any misunderstandings involved?
Is she trying to get something out of Sam? Business-related? Is it relevant that 5 years ago, she went out with Sam before Jim?
Jim's occupation relevant? Sam's? Barbara's?
John Faben (Bentarm)
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Did anything relevant happen to her when she was not in London? to Jim? to Sam? Do Jim and Sam know each other? Relevant? no to all

Does she want to contact Jim, but fears that something bad will happen if she does? no Is she right not to contact Jim? yes Any misunderstandings involved? no
Is she trying to get something out of Sam? she wants to go out with him
Business-related? no Is it relevant that 5 years ago, she went out with Sam before Jim? no
Jim's occupation relevant? Sam's? Barbara's? no to all
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Is it relevant how she contacts Sam? Does she call him? write to him? email? other?
Any other people involved?

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to clarify my answer to "Is she not able to communicate with Jim?" is "no, she is not able to communicate with Jim"


she doesn't know where he is? doesn't have his number? doesn't have any other means of contacting him?
If Sam had never existed, would Barbara contact Jim?
Did she make a rational, conscious decision not to contact Jim? Just before she reached London last week, did she already know that she wouldn't be contacting Jim? How does she feel about this--unhappy? regretful? resigned? determined?

Oh and by the way--Jim and Sam human adult males, and Barbara human adult female I presume?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 6:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do Jim and Sam know each other? if yes, are they nodding acquaintances? bar buddies? friends? close friends? brothers? some other type of relative?

Did she hope that Sam would be able to put her in touch with Jim?

She didn't try to stay in touch with Jim once she left London; had she ever been able to get in touch with him directly, or had he always been the one to contact her? Is the reason she didn't try to stay in touch relevant?

Is Jim married now? Was he married the last time she was in London? relevant?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
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Is her ultimate goal to reach Jim?
Are there any relevant facts about Sam, Jim and/or Barbara that we need to find out about?
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Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 1:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are Jim and Sam related? Do they know each other? Are they Siamese twins and Sam's got the good ear?
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Did Jim ask her not to contact him again?
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Posted on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 11:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

SORRY TO ALL FOR THE DELAY IN ANSWERING QUESTIONS. I SHOULD HAVE WARNED BEFORE I LEFT - I'M CURRENTLY TOURING EUROPE AND ONLY HAVE OCCASIONAL INTERNET ACCESS. SHOULD BE BACK TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IN ABOUT A WEEK'S TIME
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Is it relevant how she contacts Sam? yes Does she call him? write to him? email? other? she calls him
Any other people involved? no-one relevant


quote:
to clarify my answer to "Is she not able to communicate with Jim?" is "no, she is not able to communicate with Jim"

she doesn't know where he is? correct doesn't have his number? also true doesn't have any other means of contacting him? and also true
If Sam had never existed, would Barbara contact Jim? yes
Did she make a rational, conscious decision not to contact Jim? yes Just before she reached London last week, did she already know that she wouldn't be contacting Jim? possibly, irrelevant How does she feel about this--unhappy? regretful? resigned? determined? resigned probably, but I'm not her, so couldn't be sure

Oh and by the way--Jim and Sam human adult males, and Barbara human adult female I presume? yes to all

Do Jim and Sam know each other? no if yes, are they nodding acquaintances? bar buddies? friends? close friends? brothers? some other type of relative?

Did she hope that Sam would be able to put her in touch with Jim? no

She didn't try to stay in touch with Jim once she left London; had she ever been able to get in touch with him directly, or had he always been the one to contact her? irrelevant Is the reason she didn't try to stay in touch relevant? no - she didn't know she'd be going back to London

Is Jim married now? Was he married the last time she was in London? relevant? no to all
are Jim and Sam related? Do they know each other? Are they Siamese twins and Sam's got the good ear? no to all
Did Jim ask her not to contact him again? no
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Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 12:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just to clarify--Barbara prefers Jim to Sam, but calls Sam to hook up instead of Jim. She can't contact Jim because she doesn't have any means of doing so, but would she contact him if she did have his number? Is there anything about Sam we need to find out? or is he just her second choice since she has already decided not to contact Jim?
Do we need to find out why she doesn't have Jim's contact details? Did he not give them to her? Did she throw them away/burn them after she decided that she wouldn't contact him anymore?
Anything inherent about Jim that is relevant? eg his age, his race, nationality, religion, language etc?
If Jim were to read this puzzle, would he be surprised? or would he know the $hpoiler?
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Just to clarify--Barbara prefers Jim to Sam, but calls Sam to hook up instead of Jim. She can't contact Jim because she doesn't have any means of doing so, but would she contact him if she did have his number? all correct Is there anything about Sam we need to find out? yes or is he just her second choice since she has already decided not to contact Jim? yes-ish
Do we need to find out why she doesn't have Jim's contact details? no-ish Did he not give them to her? Did she throw them away/burn them after she decided that she wouldn't contact him anymore? let's say she threw them away, it's irrelevant
Anything inherent about Jim that is relevant? yes eg his age, his race, nationality, religion, language etc? but none of these
If Jim were to read this puzzle, would he be surprised? or would he know the $hpoiler? he'd be in a better position to figure out the spoi1er than you are, I'm not sure if he'd get it though
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Is Jim poor? Is there a problem with him physically? Does he have an illness? a bad habit? Does anyone (her family, friends etc) object to her being with Jim?
Did Sam do anything for her that is relevant? Is he very rich?
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Is Jim poor? Is there a problem with him physically? Does he have an illness? a bad habit? Does anyone (her family, friends etc) object to her being with Jim?
Did Sam do anything for her that is relevant? Is he very rich? no to all
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Is Jim's job relavant? Sams? Barbara's?
Is Sam her baby's daddy? Is it Sam's fault that she cannot contact Jim? Does he arrange things this way on purpose?
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Is Jim's job relavant? Sams? Barbara's? no to all
Is Sam her baby's daddy? Is it Sam's fault that she cannot contact Jim? Does he arrange things this way on purpose? no to all
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Are both Jim and Sam living in London... or rather was Jim in London on business during Barb's first trip?

Are Jim and Sam split personalities?
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Are both Jim and Sam living in London...yes or rather was Jim in London on business during Barb's first trip? so no

Are Jim and Sam split personalities? no
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Does Jim have a disability of some sort? If so, does this disability prevent her from contacting him?
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Does Jim have a disability of some sort? If so, does this disability prevent her from contacting him? no to both
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Did she discover something about Jim while she was away?
Is Jim blood-related to either Sam or Barb?
Has Jim had any gender reassignment surgery?
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Did she discover something about Jim while she was away?
Is Jim blood-related to either Sam or Barb?
Has Jim had any gender reassignment surgery? no to all
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Has she changed in some way? Is she now blind? Is she mute? Is she deaf?
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Has she changed in some way? Is she now blind? Is she mute? Is she deaf? no to all
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Is Sam preventing her from contacting Jim? Is he a criminal? Has he ever done something illegal? Relevant?

Has she forgotten Jim? Due to amnesia? Injury?

Has Jim met members of Barbara's family? Has Sam?
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Does she ever intend to contact Jim in the future?

Does it benefit Jim that she does not contact him?

Is she trying to protect anyone from something?
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Is the fact that it is five years as opposed to say just three years important?

I'm grabbing at straws myself...just trying to find something to latch onto.
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Is Sam preventing her from contacting Jim? no Is he a criminal? Has he ever done something illegal? Relevant? no to all

Has she forgotten Jim? Due to amnesia? Injury? no to all

Has Jim met members of Barbara's family? Has Sam? no to both

Does she ever intend to contact Jim in the future? no

Does it benefit Jim that she does not contact him? no

Is she trying to protect anyone from something? no

Is the fact that it is five years as opposed to say just three years important? no

I'm grabbing at straws myself...just trying to find something to latch onto. look again at the answers from August 14, 2006 - 11:31 pm, that's where the questions were closest to the solution
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Anybody's profession relevent?
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Anybody's profession relevent? no
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If Jim knew she was in London would he try to contact her?
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Is Jim famous? What about Sam? Barbara?

Is Sam married now?

Is Sam aware of Jim? If not, is Sam aware that Barb dated someone in London after him?

If Sam is aware of Jim/some other guy, is his being aware part of why Barb doesn't contact Jim?

Is the reason that Barb doesn't contact Jim as simple as her not having his contact information?
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Is Jim famous? What about Sam? Barbara? no to all

Is Sam married now? no

Is Sam aware of Jim? not relevant If not, is Sam aware that Barb dated someone in London after him? n/a

If Sam is aware of Jim/some other guy, is his being aware part of why Barb doesn't contact Jim? no

Is the reason that Barb doesn't contact Jim as simple as her not having his contact information? YES!
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If Jim knew she was in London would he try to contact her? probably - irrelevant
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Is there relevance to the fact that her first trip to London was a business trip?
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quote:

Is the reason that Barb doesn't contact Jim as simple as her not having his contact information? YES!



And..

quote:

Do we need to find out why she doesn't have Jim's contact details? no-ish Did he not give them to her? Did she throw them away/burn them after she decided that she wouldn't contact him anymore? let's say she threw them away, it's irrelevant




I'm confused...So the only reason why she doesn't contact him is because she doesn't have his contact details? Meaning she would contact him if she did have them? And if we don't need to find out why she doesn't have them, what do we have to find out then?
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Is the reason she did not contact Jim something to do with Sam?

Was she originally (i.e. 5 years ago) in London for 2 weeks?

Was she seeing Jim for 2 weeks?
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Did Sam move houses? Are Jim and Sam now living in each other's houses, theredore when she threw away Sam's info, she was really throwing away Jim's info? Did she mean to contact Sam?
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I'm confused...So the only reason why she doesn't contact him is because she doesn't have his contact details? yes Meaning she would contact him if she did have them? yes And if we don't need to find out why she doesn't have them, what do we have to find out then? What you need to find out is not why she doesn't *have* his contact details, but...

Is the reason she did not contact Jim something to do with Sam? no
Was she originally (i.e. 5 years ago) in London for 2 weeks? yes

Was she seeing Jim for 2 weeks? not the full two weeks, she saw Sam for a few days before she met Jim
Did Sam move houses? Are Jim and Sam now living in each other's houses, theredore when she threw away Sam's info, she was really throwing away Jim's info? Did she mean to contact Sam? no to all
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Does she think she has Jims contact details? or does she know she does not have his details?
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jim is not a ghost or other supernatural being, correct? he is a human adult male?
a priest? or joined the priesthood?
is he a nomad?
gypsy?
travelling with the circus?
a fugitive?
jail escapee?
has she found out something about sam that makes her think she should be with him? or something about jim that scares her?
is it unethical for her to be with jim now for any reason?
is barbara a police officer?
anyone a law enforcement agent?
anyone a criminal?
anyone have a secret identidy/double life?
is sam male?
is the place jim has moved to relevant?
is it a cult? secret society?
area 51?
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is the title relevant or a clue in any way?
can any inference be drawn from the word "mortals"?
are barbara and sam dead? jim is still alive?
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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 10:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does she think she has Jims contact details? or does she know she does not have his details? she knows she doesn't have them

jim is not a ghost or other supernatural being, correct? correct he is a human adult male? indeed he is
a priest? or joined the priesthood?
is he a nomad?
gypsy?
travelling with the circus?
a fugitive?
jail escapee?
has she found out something about sam that makes her think she should be with him? or something about jim that scares her? no to all
is it unethical for her to be with jim now for any reason?
is barbara a police officer?
anyone a law enforcement agent?
anyone a criminal?
anyone have a secret identidy/double life? no to all
is sam male? yes
is the place jim has moved to relevant? no
is it a cult? secret society?
area 51? no to all

is the title relevant or a clue in any way? apart from the obvious, no
can any inference be drawn from the word "mortals"? no
are barbara and sam dead? jim is still alive? all are still alive
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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 11:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Anything to do with how she stored the contact information?

Did she ever have Jim's contact information? Did he always contact her?
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Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 3:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

She had Jim's contact information, but she doesn't anymore because she threw it away. She knows she threw it away.

Did she deliberately and intentionally throw it away, knowing that it was Jim's contact info? Was Jim's info written on something that it was reasonable for her to throw away? (a piece of scrap paper? her trip itinerary? a cocktail napkin? a play program?) Did she think it was Sam's info? Did she think it was some third party's info? Did she even know it was someone's contact info?

And just to be absurdly thorough: Was the information she had for Jim:
his home phone number only?
his work phone number only?
his cel phone number only?
his fax number only?
his e-mail address only?
his website address only?
his street address only?
his mailing address only?
some other way of getting in touch with him?
some combination of the above? If yes, which ones?
his address only?


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What you need to find out is not why she doesn't *have* his contact details, but...


Did she know that she had Jim's contact info before she threw it out? Or did he scribble his info on something without telling her?

Did she throw it away before she left England 5 years ago? While she was on the way home? immediately upon her return home? shortly after (1 week to 3 months) after her return home? a while (3 to 9 months) after her return home? a long while (9 months to 5 years) after her return home?

Did she throw it away because of something Jim did? because of something Jim said? something Sam told her Jim did? something Sam told her Jim said? Something Sam told her that was not necessarily about Jim? Something some third party told her Jim said? did? Something she read? saw on TV? heard on the radio? found on the Internet?

Is how she met Jim in the first place at all relevant? would it be helpful to find out? Is how she met Sam relevant? Would it be helpful?
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Is Jim married??-Sam is single n is okay so she sees no point in calling jim since he probably is happily married...??
Bentarm (Bentarm)
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Posted on Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 1:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Anything to do with how she stored the contact information? no

Did she ever have Jim's contact information? Did he always contact her? she did have it, but threw it away

She had Jim's contact information, but she doesn't anymore because she threw it away. She knows she threw it away. all correct

Did she deliberately and intentionally throw it away, knowing that it was Jim's contact info? yes Was Jim's info written on something that it was reasonable for her to throw away? (a piece of scrap paper? her trip itinerary? a cocktail napkin? a play program?) Did she think it was Sam's info? Did she think it was some third party's info? Did she even know it was someone's contact info? she deliberately threw it away, knowing it was Jim's contact info

And just to be absurdly thorough: Was the information she had for Jim:
his home phone number only?
his work phone number only?
his cel phone number only?
his fax number only?
his e-mail address only?
his website address only?
his street address only?
his mailing address only?
some other way of getting in touch with him?
some combination of the above? If yes, which ones? let's say just the home phone number
his address only? no



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What you need to find out is not why she doesn't *have* his contact details, but...


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Did she know that she had Jim's contact info before she threw it out? Or did he scribble his info on something without telling her? she knew she had it

Did she throw it away before she left England 5 years ago? While she was on the way home? let's go with this one immediately upon her return home? shortly after (1 week to 3 months) after her return home? a while (3 to 9 months) after her return home? a long while (9 months to 5 years) after her return home? so no to the rest

Did she throw it away because of something Jim did? because of something Jim said? something Sam told her Jim did? something Sam told her Jim said? Something Sam told her that was not necessarily about Jim? Something some third party told her Jim said? did? Something she read? saw on TV? heard on the radio? found on the Internet? sorry, but... no to all

Is how she met Jim in the first place at all relevant? no would it be helpful to find out? Is how she met Sam relevant? Would it be helpful? no to all

Is Jim married?? no -Sam is single n is okay so she sees no point in calling jim since he probably is happily married...?? so this isn't it
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Posted on Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 6:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she have a rational reason for throwing away Jims number?
Did she regret throwing it away after she had done it?
Does she regret it now?
Bentarm (Bentarm)
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Posted on Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 6:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she have a rational reason for throwing away Jims number? yes
Did she regret throwing it away after she had done it? no
Does she regret it now? yes
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Posted on Sunday, October 08, 2006 - 3:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The reason she did not regret throwing it away earlier: Because she was mad with Jim? Upset by Jim? Did not think she would ever go back to London? Thought she would be happy ever after with someone else?

At the time she threw away Jims number did she also have Sams number? Did she also throw this away?
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Posted on Sunday, October 08, 2006 - 4:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The reason she did not regret throwing it away earlier: Because she was mad with Jim? Upset by Jim? Did not think she would ever go back to London? YES - nothing more than this Thought she would be happy ever after with someone else?

At the time she threw away Jims number did she also have Sams number? Did she also throw this away? yes to both
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Did Sam send her his number at some later date? Did she actually have Sams contact details before she arrived in London?
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Relevent that Jim moved houses? Has Sam moved houses? Whan she contacted Sam, was he in London? Has Barbara moved houses?
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Did Sam send her his number at some later date? no Did she actually have Sams contact details before she arrived in London? NO

Relevent that Jim moved houses? yes-ish Has Sam moved houses? irrelevant Whan she contacted Sam, was he in London? yes Has Barbara moved houses? irrelevant
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Did she discover Sams number when she arrived in London? unintentionally?
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Is Sam related to her business in London?
Bentarm (Bentarm)
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Did she discover Sams number when she arrived in London? yes unintentionally? NO

Is Sam related to her business in London? no
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Did she try to use the phone book/directory enquiries to track down Jim? But couldnt as he had moved? But found Sam had not so his number was availible?
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Did she try to use the phone book/directory enquiries to track down Jim? no... but this is a horribly misleading answer, explore But couldnt as he had moved? not this But found Sam had not so his number was availible? this is correct
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Had Jim actually changed his address?
Had Jim changed his name?
Did she attempt to track down Jims phone number at all?
Bentarm (Bentarm)
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Had Jim actually changed his address? yes
Had Jim changed his name? no
Did she attempt to track down Jims phone number at all? no-ish
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I'm getting all confused...can we have a recap please?
Bentarm (Bentarm)
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 5:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When Barbara had been in London 5 years ago for a couple of weeks, on business, she had hooked up with two guys, Jim and Sam. She'd really really liked Jim, he was the perfect guy for her, they sat up all night talking, they went for moonlit strolls in the park, they'd really connected, she'd been sorry when she'd had to leave him at the end of the two weeks. Sam she'd gotten on okay with, she'd had a laugh with him, but she'd pretty much stopped seeing him once she met Jim. She much preferred Jim to Sam in every way. So why, when she came back to London last week, did Barbara contact Sam, and not Jim?

We now know that the reason she didn't contact Jim is because she didn't have his contact details. This is partly because she threw them away when leaving London the first time, but there's more to it than that. She also threw Sam's number away when she left London the first time, but was able to find his details on her return.

I've said that both Sam and Jim have changed their address and phone number while she was away from London, but actually it's not terribly relevant
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Are the last names of Jim and Sam relavant?
Say it is 'Jim Smith' and 'Sam Gambolputty von Hautkopft of Ulm'?
Was it just simpler to find Sams telefone number?
Did she hope to get Jims telefone number from Sam?
Did she think she would never find out Jims number?
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Are the last names of Jim and Sam relavant? YES!
Say it is 'Jim Smith' and 'Sam Gambolputty von Hautkopft of Ulm'? YES!!
Was it just simpler to find Sams telefone number? yup, that's it
Did she hope to get Jims telefone number from Sam?
Did she think she would never find out Jims number?

******** SPOILER **********

On Barbara's return to London, she would have like to be able to contact Jim rather than Sam, but looking up Jim Smith in the London phonebook didn't seem very promising... Sam Gambolputty von Hautkopft of Ulm, however, was a much easier prospect.
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I was lucky to arrive just at the right moment, so I have kind of remorse thinking of those who were participating actively at this puzzle.
I like this puzzle as the solution is pretty simple, thank you Bentarm.

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