| Author | Message | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 541 Registered: 6-2006 |
They said it would kill him, but they never thought it would happen this way. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 194 Registered: 8-2005 |
Hi, Ok lets start with some basics; He Adult? Human? Male? They=They? Did "it" kill him? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 542 Registered: 6-2006 |
Hi, hi! Ok lets start with some basics; He Adult? Human? Male? yes They=They? um, yes. Did "it" kill him? yope | ||
| Huntinggirl (Huntinggirl)
New member Username: Huntinggirl Post Number: 11 Registered: 1-2006 |
hello! is he dead? did they kill him? in a way they had not intended? did he die of an accident? a sickness? suicide? murder? is it important what country this takes place in? what continent? what era? is it important to find out about his exact age profession family relations hobbies religion nationality did anyone else die at the same time? is it important to find out more about them? are they more than five people? are they related to him? | ||
| Lzeiters (Lzeiters)
New member Username: Lzeiters Post Number: 845 Registered: 6-2005 |
was he smoking a cigarrette, the light from which gave him away, upon which he was shot? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 543 Registered: 6-2006 |
hello! is he dead?now he is, yes did they kill him? no in a way they had not intended? no did he die of an accident?yope a sickness?no suicide?no murder?no is it important what country this takes place in?yope, could be any developed country what continent?not really what era?modern times is it important to find out about his exact age no profession no family relations no hobbies no religion no nationality no did anyone else die at the same time? no is it important to find out more about them? yope are they more than five people? maybe are they related to him?yope was he smoking a cigarrette, the light from which gave him away, upon which he was shot?no | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 196 Registered: 8-2005 |
Did they think one particular event/happening would kill him? Or a lifelong bad habbit like smoking or drinking? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 547 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did they think one particular event/happening would kill him? no Or a lifelong bad habbit like smokingexactly this! or drinking? | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 17 Registered: 10-2006 |
Did he jump? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 550 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did he jump?no | ||
| Rubberduck (Rubberduck)
New member Username: Rubberduck Post Number: 35 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did they think he would die from smoking? By getting cancer? But he actually died from smoking by causing a fire? Like falling asleep with a lit cigarette? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 646 Registered: 3-2006 |
Hee that sounds like my man in my puzzle Lethal Love! He's found a friend. The place he was smoking relevant? If he had lit his ciggie but didn't inhale, would he still have died? Would he have died if he had taken out his cigarette and put it in his mouth, but didn't light it? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 552 Registered: 6-2006 |
Oops...previous answer was incomplete.... Or a lifelong bad habbit like smokingexactly this! or drinking?and some of this! Did they think he would die from smoking?yes By getting cancer?maybe But he actually died from smoking by causing a fire?yesish Like falling asleep with a lit cigarette?but no The place he was smoking relevant?yes If he had lit his ciggie but didn't inhale, would he still have died?yes, but FA Would he have died if he had taken out his cigarette and put it in his mouth, but didn't light it?yes | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 652 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did he die because someone saw him smoking? Did his smoking cause someone to do something? Did he actually die in a fire? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 553 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did he die because someone saw him smoking?no Did his smoking cause someone to do something?no Did he actually die in a fire?yes | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1885 Registered: 2-2001 |
SHC? Is it relevant what he used to light his smokes? How he lighted them? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 554 Registered: 6-2006 |
SHC?no Is it relevant what he used to light his smokes?yes How he lighted them?no | ||
| Huntinggirl (Huntinggirl)
New member Username: Huntinggirl Post Number: 12 Registered: 1-2006 |
did he use matches? a cigarette lighter? something unconventional? is any of the following about "them" relevant? their ages their connection to "him" their connection to each other their exact amount (you wrote "maybe" above) their professions their hobbies | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 555 Registered: 6-2006 |
did he use matches?no a cigarette lighter?yes something unconventional? no is any of the following about "them" relevant? their ages no their connection to "him"noish their connection to each other no their exact amount (you wrote "maybe" above)no their professionsno their hobbiesno "they" are not really relevant, just a collection of people who may know him who would think smoking and drinking are bad for him, like friends and family, or co-workers, even just casual acquaintances | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 291 Registered: 9-2006 |
Did he die in an explosion? gas relevant? gasoline relevant? Was he in a dark basement with gas coming from a perforated pipe and he decided to get a cigarette? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 556 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did he die in an explosion? yope...yes may mislead gas relevant? no gasoline relevant? no Was he in a dark basement with gas coming from a perforated pipe and he decided to get a cigarette?no | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1888 Registered: 2-2001 |
Was the lighter used (i. e. intentionally lit) to start the fire (vs. an accidental spark or something like that)? Did he use his lighter during a situation in which open flames are contra-indicated? Was he playing with his lighter? Using it to burn something? To light his way? Is the fuel source of the lighter relevant? Relevant if it's a standard disposable butane lighter? A Zippo™? Does it use flint? Electronic spark? Relevant? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 559 Registered: 6-2006 |
Was the lighter used (i. e. intentionally lit) to start the fire (vs. an accidental spark or something like that)? no Did he use his lighter during a situation in which open flames are contra-indicated? no Was he playing with his lighter?no Using it to burn something?no To light his way?no Is the fuel source of the lighter relevant?yes Relevant if it's a standard disposable butane lighter?it was this A Zippo™? Does it use flint? Electronic spark? Relevant?only relevant that it burns lighter fluid | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1891 Registered: 2-2001 |
Well, to be picky, butane lighters use butane rather than lighter fluid. Was the lighter lit at all (in the conventional sense, I mean) during this scenario? Did it explode? Due to heat? Pressure? Lack of pressure? Did it somehow effect the actions of others? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 560 Registered: 6-2006 |
Well, to be picky, butane lighters use butane rather than lighter fluid. you are correct. excuse my mistake, I have no idea why I wrote lighter fluid. I should have said...only relevant that it uses butane. It is, indeed, a standard butane lighter. Was the lighter lit at all (in the conventional sense, I mean) during this scenario?no Did it explode?yes Due to heat?yope Pressure?no Lack of pressure?no Did it somehow effect the actions of others?not sure what you mean here | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1892 Registered: 2-2001 |
I guess I was thinking along the lines of a third party being involved and taking some action because of the lighter--for example, a security person or police officer, like that? Was there a third party involved? Relevant where the lighter was on his person? Source of heat relevant? | ||
| Rubberduck (Rubberduck)
New member Username: Rubberduck Post Number: 36 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was he trying to light a cigarette at the time? Trying to use the lighter for some other purpose? Not trying to use the lighter at the time? Was the lighter defective? Did he use it incorrectly? Did the lighter not work so he tried to use some other source of heat to get it started? A match? A stove? Did he accidently expose the lighter to an unsafe condition? Leave it in the sun? Car? Car trunk? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 561 Registered: 6-2006 |
I guess I was thinking along the lines of a third party being involved and taking some action because of the lighter--for example, a security person or police officer, like that? yope Was there a third party involved? yes Relevant where the lighter was on his person?yesish Source of heat relevant?yes Was he trying to light a cigarette at the time?no Trying to use the lighter for some other purpose?no Not trying to use the lighter at the time?correct, he was not trying to use the lighter. Was the lighter defective?no Did he use it incorrectly?no Did the lighter not work so he tried to use some other source of heat to get it started?no A match?n/a A stove?n/a Did he accidently expose the lighter to an unsafe condition?noish to yope Leave it in the sun?no Car?no Car trunk?no | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1895 Registered: 2-2001 |
Was he holding the lighter? Was it visible? In a pocket? Fanny pack/backpack/briefcase/etc.? Yope to heat, no to pressure, was there also an impact of some kind? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 562 Registered: 6-2006 |
Was he holding the lighter?no Was it visible?no In a pocket?yes Fanny pack/backpack/briefcase/etc.? no Yope to heat, no to pressure, was there also an impact of some kind?yes | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 566 Registered: 6-2006 |
Hint: Explore the events in the hours leading up to the death. | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1896 Registered: 2-2001 |
Did the third party detect the lighter in some way even though it was not visible? If he had not had the lighter, would the third party have acted in the same way? I guess what I'm getting at is did the presence of the lighter trigger the event(s) which resulted in his death? Or was it more that the event would've happened anyhow and if the lighter hadn't been there he might've survived it? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 567 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did the third party detect the lighter in some way even though it was not visible? NO If he had not had the lighter, would the third party have acted in the same way? yes I guess what I'm getting at is did the presence of the lighter trigger the event(s) which resulted in his death? Or was it more that the event would've happened anyhow and if the lighter hadn't been there he might've survived it?ok, a certain "event" happened that would have happened whether or not he had the lighter, and this "event" was brought about by an earlier "event" that also would have happened whether or not he had the lighter. Because he had the lighter, though, this second "event" caused the explosion that lead to his death. He almost certainly would not have died if he had not had the lighter. | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1899 Registered: 2-2001 |
Did a bullet hit the lighter in his pocket? Was he an innocent bystander? Was it a robbery of some kind? Or some other crime? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 573 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did a bullet hit the lighter in his pocket?no, but otrt Was he an innocent bystander?no Was it a robbery of some kind?no Or some other crime?yope | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1900 Registered: 2-2001 |
Car accident (I was going to ask about an airplane, and then I realized that perhaps the lighter wouldn't have been held out as a significant factor of death in an airplane crash--I'm so clever sometimes I could just hug myself)? Other vehicular extremity? Terrorist action? Was there deliberate violence? Accident due to malfeasance (e. g. someone cutting corners in manufacturing/building something)? Accident due to someone being under-the-influence? Part of a silly dare? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 574 Registered: 6-2006 |
Car accident no (I was going to ask about an airplane, and then I realized that perhaps the lighter wouldn't have been held out as a significant factor of death in an airplane crash--I'm so clever sometimes I could just hug myself)? Other vehicular extremity?no Terrorist action?no Was there deliberate violence?yes Accident due to malfeasance (e. g. someone cutting corners in manufacturing/building something)?no Accident due to someone being under-the-influence?well, yes, but not how you mean exactly Part of a silly dare?no | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1901 Registered: 2-2001 |
Time for some background, I guess--was he in a building at the time? A bar? Disco? Private residence? Place of business (other than previously listed)? Was the deliberate violence aimed at him? Was it intended to harm someone (vs. something)? Was the item that impacted the lighter a relatively common, everyday thing? Had he been drinking? Had the third party? Was there only one other person involved? 2? 3? More? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 579 Registered: 6-2006 |
Time for some background, I guess--was he in a building at the time?yes A bar?yes Disco? Private residence? Place of business (other than previously listed)? Was the deliberate violence aimed at him?yope Was it intended to harm someone (vs. something)?yesish, or yope Was the item that impacted the lighter a relatively common, everyday thing?noish Had he been drinking?yes Had the third party?yope Was there only one other person involved?no 2?this 3? More? | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1902 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ah! Progress! Did something smack into the lighter? Or did it smack into something (i. e. he was propelled into something and the lighter took the brunt of the impact)? If the former, something which might be relatively common in a bar (e. g. pool cue, bar stool)? Were both of the other people men? Women? One of each? Had one of the other people been drinking? Any bouncers involved? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 584 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did something smack into the lighter?yes Or did it smack into something (i. e. he was propelled into something and the lighter took the brunt of the impact)?no If the former, something which might be relatively common in a bar (e. g. pool cue, bar stool)? no Were both of the other people men?no Women?no One of each?yes Had one of the other people been drinking?yes Any bouncers involved?no | ||
| Lzeiters (Lzeiters)
New member Username: Lzeiters Post Number: 856 Registered: 6-2005 |
screaming "fire" in a crowded room relevant? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 585 Registered: 6-2006 |
screaming "fire" in a crowded room relevant?no | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1905 Registered: 2-2001 |
Relationship of the other two (to each other) relevant? Both adults? Had he been drinking? Had she? Did he strike our hero (does he have a name yet?)? Did she? Would one normally expect a blow from such an item to cause a lighter to explode? Is it edged? Blunt? Associated with a particular profession? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 592 Registered: 6-2006 |
Relationship of the other two (to each other) relevant?yesish Both adults?yes Had he been drinking?yes Had she?no Did he strike our heroyes (does he have a name yet?he does not. you are welcome to give him one)? Did she?yes Would one normally expect a blow from such an item to cause a lighter to explode?yesish Is it edged?yes Blunt?no Associated with a particular profession?yesish | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1906 Registered: 2-2001 |
(ok, how about Bob for our hero, Tom for his male assailant and Hilda for the female) So Bob and Tom were both drinking at the bar? Was Hilda present while they were drinking? Did her entry trigger the violence? Are Tom and Hilda married? Dating? Siblings? Mother and son? Father and daughter? Was it a knife? Sai? Katana? Claymore? Bayonet? Was Bob armed as well? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 595 Registered: 6-2006 |
(ok, how about Bob for our hero, Tom for his male assailant and Hilda for the female) works for me So Bob and Tom were both drinking at the bar?yes Was Hilda present while they were drinking?no Did her entry trigger the violence?no Are Tom and Hilda married? Dating? Siblings? Mother and son? Father and daughter?none of these...perhaps the "yesish" answer as far as the relevance of this relationship should me noish... Was it a knife?no Sai?no Katana?no Claymore?no Bayonet?no Was Bob armed as well?no | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 596 Registered: 6-2006 |
perhaps the "yesish" answer as far as the relevance of this relationship should BE noish... | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 597 Registered: 6-2006 |
Also, maybe describing the object as edged was misleading. It is sharp, but not a blade. | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1907 Registered: 2-2001 |
Hmmm...are the professions of any of them relevant? If so, Bob? Tom? Hilda? Were Tom and Hilda co-workers? Was the "weapon" (just one, right?) being carried by Tom? By Hilda? Or was it already in the bar (weapon of opportunity, I guess)? What is the weapon made of--metal? Glass? Stone? Wood? Plastic? Ceramic? Ice? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 598 Registered: 6-2006 |
Hmmm...are the professions of any of them relevant?yes If so, Bob?no Tom?no Hilda?yes Were Tom and Hilda co-workers?no Was the "weapon" (just one, right?right) being carried by Tom?no By Hilda?yes Or was it already in the bar (weapon of opportunity, I guess)? no What is the weapon made of--metal?this Glass? Stone? Wood? Plastic?and this Ceramic? Ice? | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1908 Registered: 2-2001 |
So Bob and Tom were drinking at the bar and got into an altercation? Was Hilda present during the start of the activity? Is the weapon something she normally carries? Something someone in her profession would normally carry? Is it usually considered to be a weapon? More of a tool (I realize a weapon can be a tool, but I hope you know what I mean)? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 599 Registered: 6-2006 |
So Bob and Tom were drinking at the bar and got into an altercation?yes Was Hilda present during the start of the activity?no Is the weapon something she normally carries?yes Something someone in her profession would normally carry?yes Is it usually considered to be a weapon?yes More of a tool (I realize a weapon can be a tool, but I hope you know what I mean)? | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1909 Registered: 2-2001 |
Is she a police officer? A security guard? Military? FBI? Hunter? Sharp weapon but not a blade...I'm guessing not a bow...a taser? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 600 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is she a police officer?yes! A security guard? Military? FBI? Hunter? Sharp weapon but not a blade...I'm guessing not a bow...a taser?yes! | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1910 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ok, so Bob died because he was a smoker, but not in the way people expected. He got into a fight in a bar and the police officer called in to deal with the situation was unable to subdue him physically herself, so she attempted to use the (usually) non-lethal taser. Unfortunately, at least one of the taser prongs hit the disposable lighter in Bob's pocket, causing it to explode and killing him. Is that pretty close? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 601 Registered: 6-2006 |
Ok, so Bob died because he was a smoker, but not in the way people expected. He got into a fight in a bar and the police officer called in to deal with the situation was unable to subdue him physically herself, so she attempted to use the (usually) non-lethal taser. Unfortunately, at least one of the taser prongs hit the disposable lighter in Bob's pocket, causing it to explode and killing him. Is that pretty close?you got it! ********SPOILER*************** This is based on the true story of one Dennis Crough, aged 53, from Daytona Beach Florida, who was subdued by a female police officer after attacking someone with a knife. The taser hit the lighter in his shirt pocket, causing it to explode and set his upper body on fire. Dennis's burns did not kill him, but in my imaginary scenario, after a bar fight which would likely leave our Bob with some alcohol on his clothes, the outcome was much worse. Good job Bodo for wrapping that one up so quickly! Feel free to jump in on my other puzzles, and I will post a new one soon! | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1911 Registered: 2-2001 |
Soapbox time--there has been some controversy over the use of tasers because there have been occasions in which they have proven to be more lethal than intended. Usually this is because the person being subdued is under the influence of something and also refuses to cooperate. This has led to calls for banning their use, which I truly don't understand: if you don't want the police killing people with tasers should they instead shoot them with their guns? Or bludgeon them into a coma? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 602 Registered: 6-2006 |
I saw a pretty hideous picture while reading about tasers (to make sure I had all my info straight for this puzzle), of a guy who had been hit with a taser dart in his eye. Pretty ghastly injury, but I'd venture to say a bullet would be quite a bit worse. |
