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Posted on Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 1:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Two sisters have lived together for the past year, and get on very well, except maybe the odd fight, that all siblings seem to go through. However last week one of them had to leave home for a short while so as to avoid potential injury to her sister. When she returned a short while later, their harmonious relationship resumed.
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Relevant how old the sisters are?
Are they each others' sister?
Are they human?
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Relevant how old the sisters are? Not Really
Are they each others' sister? Yes
Are they human? No
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Would the sister have inflicted an injury on the other? Or would the other have been injured simplay as a by-product of the first being there?
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are they ANIMAL
are they Small? very small?
Big? very big?
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Would the sister have inflicted an injury on the other? Or would the other have been injured simplay as a by-product of the first being there? possibly a bit of both

Ludo

are they ANIMAL Yes
are they Small? very small? Yes
Big? very big?
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injury due to an action on the part of the 'removed' sister? if so, a deliberate action? accidental?

or is it more along the lines of an illness or condition, such that the aforementioned sister was removed in an effort to prevent her from "sharing" it with her sister?
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injury due to an action on the part of the 'removed' sister? Yes if so, a deliberate action? Possibly though probably not with malice accidental? More this really

or is it more along the lines of an illness or condition, such that the aforementioned sister was removed in an effort to prevent her from "sharing" it with her sister? No
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Are they hamsters? Mice? Was one pregnant? Hamsters like to eat each other, don't they...?
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Are they hamsters? Yes Mice? Was one pregnant? No Hamsters like to eat each other, don't they...? I believe that sometimes they will eat their new born babies if there is not enough food but I dont think full grown ones are cannibals.
We can give them names now they are Pepsi and Shirli, two dwarf hamsters, now what happened to cause the problems?
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So who was the one who had to move out--Pepsi or Shirli?
Did something happen to the cage? something inside the cage? something happening outside the cage? Was there anything physically wrong with the one who left? Mentally? (temporarily?) Would one of them bite the other? Climb on her?
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Was a dark, brooding male hamster introduced into the cage?
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So who was the one who had to move out--Pepsi She did or Shirli?
Did something happen to the cage? No something inside the cage? Yes something happening outside the cage? No Was there anything physically wrong with the one who left? No Mentally? No (temporarily?) Would one of them bite the other? Possibly Climb on her? Possibly
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Was a dark, brooding male hamster introduced into the cage? No
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Are there any more animals involved?
Are both of them female?
Did you remove the one in danger, or the one who was to cause the danger?
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Are there any more animals involved? No
Are both of them female? Yes
Did you remove the one in danger, or the one who was to cause the danger? This one
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HINT: Something else was introduced to the cage but not another animal.
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Would the something else cause a different behaviour of Shirli?
If yes, would the motivation of the behaviour be jealousy? lust? hunger? thirst?
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Would the something else cause a different behaviour of Shirli? Yes-ish
If yes, would the motivation of the behaviour be jealousy? lust? hunger? This One
thirst?
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Pepsi and Shirly, two hamsters live in one cage. The owner of them plans to put something else into the cage. That thing would cause hunger for Shirli. Would it cause hunger for Pepsi?
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Pepsi and Shirly, two hamsters live in one cage. Thats Right The owner of them plans to put something else into the cage. The owner is me and i did put something into the cage That thing would cause hunger for Shirli. Would it cause hunger for Pepsi? Cause hunger is perhaps the wrong term, but it is edible
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Is the thing that was put into the cage something to play? Something to put food inside?
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Is the thing that was put into the cage something to play? No Something to put food inside? Yope
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I have a certain picture in my mind: You put something into the cage that has to be opened by the hamsters to get their food. Pepsi is clever enough to find out how it works and gets her food. Shirli is not so clever, becomes hungry, aggressive and attacks her sister?
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Just to clarify Pepsi is the agressor and shirly is the one in danger
I have a certain picture in my mind: You put something into the cage Yesthat has to be opened by the hamsters No to get their food. Food is involved Pepsi is clever enough to find out how it works and gets her food. Shirli is not so clever, becomes hungry, aggressive and attacks her sister? this is not right but it is not a million miles away either
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Was it just food you put in the cage? Hamster treats? (don't know too much about hamsters)
Is this the first time the removal of Pepsi has happened? or is it a regular occurrence?
Does Pepsi usually take more than her fair share of food?
Was there a specific reason you wanted Shirli to eat uninterrupted? Her birthday?
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Was it just food you put in the cage? Hamster treats? It was a treat but not a specific hamster treat. It may help to find the specific food (don't know too much about hamsters)
Is this the first time the removal of Pepsi has happened? Yes or is it a regular occurrence? No
Does Pepsi usually take more than her fair share of food? No
Was there a specific reason you wanted Shirli to eat uninterrupted? Shirli needed to be uninterupted for a while but not strictly to eat..Her birthday?
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was Shirli ill? did you need to give her medicine? if so, would Pepsi have tried to eat/drink the medicine if she had been in the cage as well? and would it have made her ill?
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was Shirli ill? Nodid you need to give her medicine? No if so, would Pepsi have tried to eat/drink the medicine if she had been in the cage as well? No and would it have made her ill? No medicine is involved
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Did Shirli have a traumatic event - like the hamster wheel fell on her head or the cat nearly got her - and needed some quiet time to calm down?
Did you give her chocolate? cheese? biscuit? cake? some vegetable material? was it solid? liquid? has she had it before? has Pepsi? Is it usually considered a human treat?
Did anything happen to Shirli while Pepsi was out of the cage? Did you cause it? Did another person? Did she just eat the treat?
Was what you introduced all gone by the time Pepsi came back? Was the timing of Pepsi's return to coincide with the finishing of the treat? with something else?
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Did Shirli have a traumatic event - like the hamster wheel fell on her head or the cat nearly got her - and needed some quiet time to calm down? A mishap is more the right phrase than traumatic event
Did you give her chocolate? cheese? biscuit? cake? some vegetable material? was it solid? ish liquid? ish has she had it before? Yes has Pepsi? Yes Is it usually considered a human treat? Yes
Did anything happen to Shirli while Pepsi was out of the cage? Yes-ish Did you cause it? No Did another person? No Did she just eat the treat? Yes-ish
Was what you introduced all gone by the time Pepsi came back? Yes Was the timing of Pepsi's return to coincide with the finishing of the treat? Yes-ish with something else?
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Was the mishap in her cage? While running free? Did she get entangled in something? stuck in something? lost?
Was the treat cream? Confectionary of some sort? Something which would be part of a meal?
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Was the mishap in her cage? Yes While running free? Did she get entangled in something? No to this but again not a million miles away stuck in something? No lost? No
Was the treat cream? no but on the right track Confectionary of some sort? Something which would be part of a meal? it can be sometimes
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Did she swallow or lick something she shouldn't have done? Try to do so?
Was the treat ice cream?
Was there something in the cage which got in by mistake?
Was she frightened? hurt? did she know the mishap had happened? - e.g. did paint drip on her fur?
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Did she swallow or lick something she shouldn't have done? No Try to do so? No
Was the treat ice cream? Close
Was there something in the cage which got in by mistake? No
Was she frightened? A Bit hurt? No did she know the mishap had happened? Yes - e.g. did paint drip on her fur? Not this but not a million miles away
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Sorbet?
Would the mishap have happened if Pepsi & Shirli had been alone in the house?
Was Pepsi an innocent bystander? who wasn't affected? or frightened?
Was water involved?
Would it help to know all the things normally in the cage? what was happening in the room at the time?
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Sorbet? No
Would the mishap have happened if Pepsi & Shirli had been alone in the house? No as the thing that led to the problem would not have been added to the cage
Was Pepsi an innocent bystander? Yes who wasn't affected? She was more involved than affected or frightened? No
Was water involved? No
Would it help to know all the things normally in the cage? Not really what was happening in the room at the time? Not Really
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I seem to have confused myself - an easy procedure!
Pepsi and Shirli were pottering about cage doing hamster type things, you were pottering about house doing human type things - OK so far?
I've been thinking something happened to Shirli which led to her being frightened, you removing Pepsi and giving Shirli a treat to "make it better". Is this wrong?
Now I'm thinking the thing which frightened Shirli was the (inadvertant?) introduction of the treat? spilled over her? and Pepsi's removal was to avoid her eating the treat off Shirli? Better?
Jam? custard? some kind of sauce? mayonnaise? Do you buy it in a supermarket? Could you make it yourself? Does it come in a bottle? jar? packet?
If you had it at a meal, would you consume it for? with? first course? main? dessert? afters?
Is it more common to eat it on its own as opposed to part of a meal?
Is it normally hot? cold? in between?
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I seem to have confused myself - an easy procedure!
Pepsi and Shirli were pottering about cage doing hamster type things, you were pottering about house doing human type things - OK so far? Yes
I've been thinking something happened to Shirli which led to her being frightened, you removing Pepsi and giving Shirli a treat to "make it better". Is this wrong? Yes this is mostly wrong
Now I'm thinking the thing which frightened Shirli was the (inadvertant?) introduction of the treat? No spilled over her? YES and Pepsi's removal was to avoid her eating the treat off Shirli? YES Better? This is very close
Jam? custard? No but a desert some kind of sauce? No mayonnaise? No Do you buy it in a supermarket? Yes Could you make it yourself? Probably Does it come in a bottle? jar? packet? a pot
If you had it at a meal, would you consume it for? with? first course? main? dessert? This one afters?
Is it more common to eat it on its own as opposed to part of a meal? Bit of both
Is it normally hot? cold? Its Cold in between?
You are very close put it all together and I will Spoyle
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Yoghurt?
You were going to have a yoghurt, balanced it on top of the cage or jogged your arm as you passed it so the contents spilled over onto Shirli who was, not unreasonably, startled. You know they both like it and that Pepsi would make strenuous efforts to eat it, possibly harming Shirli in the process - so you remove Pepsi and let Shirli lick it off and groom herself in peace, enjoying the treat and recovering her composure (possibly with a bit of help if necessary)?
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Yoghurt?
You were going to have a yoghurt, balanced it on top of the cage or jogged your arm as you passed it so the contents spilled over onto Shirli who was, not unreasonably, startled. You know they both like it and that Pepsi would make strenuous efforts to eat it, possibly harming Shirli in the process - so you remove Pepsi and let Shirli lick it off and groom herself in peace, enjoying the treat and recovering her composure (possibly with a bit of help if necessary)?

This is close enough for a

****************SPOILER******************

I have 2 dwarf hamsters Pepsi and Shirli, who are sisters and despite the odd tussle get on very well, one of the things that dwarf hamsters are partial to is fruit flavoured yoghurt and it can be given to them as a treat. I put the yoghurt in the cage as I have often done before but this time Shirli managed to tip the container all over herself!! This is not really a big problem as obviously yoghurt is edible and won't cause any harm, however this is where Pepsi comes in. She now looked at Shirli as a tasty treat rather than a sister and proceeded to chase her around the cage trying to eat her!!! Poor Shirli could not find a moments peace to clean herself up, so I had to take Pepsi out to give her a chance to sort herself out.

P.S. They still get yoghurt but it is now a bit more supervised!!


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Poor Shirli! But then again, poor Pepsi who missed out on her treat...

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