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Martinfg (Martinfg)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 8:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good Day to you all and welcome to my first puzzle.

We raised the price, but despite getting the same number of visitors we got less money. We dropped the price a little and then we made much more money.
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Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 8:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

the price that was raised:
for admission?
products?
services?

Does a visitor necessarily pay for something?
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Well, I'm probably wrong... But here it goes!
One possible explanation is that you own, say, a store. You raise the prices of your products. Although you get the same number of visitors, they buy less, so you get less money. Once you drop the prices, you make more money because the visitors buy more products than before. Is this theory full of FAs??? :-)
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the price that was raised:
for admission? No
products? Yope
services? Yes

Does a visitor necessarily pay for something? Yes
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Did everyone of the visitors pay the same price? Were there reductions (say for children)?
Is the thing the people visited relevant? a museum? an exposition?
Is the number of visitors relvant? more than 2? 10? 100? 1000?
Is the country were it happened relevant? the time?
Are you, Martinfg, envolved? relevant? How many are 'we': 2? 3? ...? Are you an organisation?
Did you raise the price with the intention to make more money? Did you drop the price with the intention to make more money?
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Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 8:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, I'm probably wrong... But here it goes!
One possible explanation is that you own, say, a store. You raise the prices of your products. Although you get the same number of visitors, they buy less, so you get less money. Once you drop the prices, you make more money because the visitors buy more products than before. Is this theory full of FAs??? This is not it. Some FA's abound
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Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 8:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did everyone of the visitors pay the same price? Yes Were there reductions (say for children)? No
Is the thing the people visited relevant? Yes a museum? Noan exposition? No
Is the number of visitors relvant? Not Really more than 2? 10? 100? 1000?
Is the country were it happened relevant? It could happen in most countries the time? Not too relavant. It happened in modern times
Are you, Martinfg, envolved? Yes relevant? Not Really How many are 'we': 2? 3? ...? about 30, you may be heading for an FA hereAre you an organisation? Yes
Did you raise the price with the intention to make more money? Yes Did you drop the price with the intention to make more money? Yes
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Same number of visitors as formerly? as predicted? as each other?
Was the price raise one that the visitors could know about in advance (i.e. prior to being visitors)? Did they? The decrease in price?
Less money means a smaller total sum? or fewer coins or notes?
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Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 5:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Visiting a website?
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Same number of visitors as formerly? Yes as predicted? Yes as each other? Please re-phrase
Was the price raise one that the visitors could know about in advance (i.e. prior to being visitors)? Yes Did they? The decrease in price? Yes
Less money means a smaller total sum? Yes or fewer coins or notes? so Yes
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Visiting a website? No
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was the lowering of prices a condition of some outside source subsidizing your operation?
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was the lowering of prices a condition of some outside source subsidizing your operation? No
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Are "we" a group working together? or individuals working separately though forming an organisation?
Could you function without visitors?
Is the service for which you charge a personal one - like massage? - a business type one - like banking?
How long do the visitors spend in getting the service? minutes? hours? longer? Does the time vary from one person to another?
Does each visitor get exactly the same thing for their money?
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Are "we" a group working together? Yes-ish or individuals working separately though forming an organisation? Yes-ish
Could you function without visitors? Yes
Is the service for which you charge a personal one - like massage? - a business type one - like banking? There is an element of both
How long do the visitors spend in getting the service? minutes? hours? longer? Does the time vary from one person to another? Depends how long the visitors stay with us, you may have an FA about the nature of the service
Does each visitor get exactly the same thing for their money? Each Visitor can get exactly the same as each other if they choose to
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Did this happen in a building? outside?
Did the people physically come to the place?
They made the visit for: entertainment? health care? work? education? something else?
Is your organisation professional?
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Did this happen in a building? Yes outside? No
Did the people physically come to the place? YES
They made the visit for: entertainment? Posibly health care? No work? Yes education? No something else? Possibly
Is your organisation professional? Yes I would like to think so
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Did the visitors: see? hear? feel? taste? anything relevant in the building?
Were they actively doing something? or were they rather passive?
Did the visit change them physically? in another way? did they buy anything palpable?
Are there any relevant objects envolved during the visit?
Were there persons taking care of the visitors? or were the visitors rather autonomous?
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Did the visitors: see? Yes hear?Yes feel?Yesish taste?Yes anything relevant in the building? Yes-ish
Were they actively doing something? or were they rather passive? More This
Did the visit change them physically? No in another way?No did they buy anything palpable? No
Are there any relevant objects envolved during the visit? Sort of may mislead
Were there persons taking care of the visitors? {Yes}or were the visitors rather autonomous? And also Yesh-ish
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Anything to do with gastronomy?
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Anything to do with gastronomy? No
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Do the visitors belong to a specific group of people? related by profession? same sex? same interests? similar style of clothes? all adults?
Could anyone (like me) come and visit? and would it be reasonable?
To get an idea of the price, initially it was less than $1? $10? $100? $1000? $10000?
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Do the visitors belong to a specific group of people? Yes related by profession? YES same sex? No same interests? No similar style of clothes? In a way all adults? Yes
Could anyone (like me) come and visit? No and would it be reasonable? Please Rephrase
To get an idea of the price, initially it was less than $1? $10? $100? $1000? $10000? Less than £1 sterling
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The occupation of the visitors:
artistic/musical/writer?
Banking/financial/real estate?
Clerical/Administrative?
Computer related / Hardware?
Construction / Craftsman?
Education / Academic Research?
Entertainment / Media?
Executive / Management?
Hospitality / Travel?
Legal Services?
Manufacturing / Distributions?
Medical / Health Services?
Politics / Government / Military?
Sales / Marketing?
Technical / Science / Engineering?
Teaching / Child care?
Transportation?
Food Service?
Sports?
Entertainment?
Jailbird / Criminal?
Religion?

Is the size of the building relevant? more than 2? 5? 10? 20? 50? 100? rooms?

Do the visitors come only once? or regularly, i.e. once an hour? a day? a week? a month? a year?
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The occupation of the visitors:
artistic/musical/writer?
Banking/financial/real estate?
Clerical/Administrative?
Computer related / Hardware?
Construction / Craftsman?
Education / Academic Research?
Entertainment / Media?
Executive / Management?
Hospitality / Travel?
Legal Services?
Manufacturing / Distributions?
Medical / Health Services?
Politics / Government / Military? This One
Sales / Marketing?
Technical / Science / Engineering?
Teaching / Child care?
Transportation?
Food Service?
Sports?
Entertainment?
Jailbird / Criminal?
Religion?

Is the size of the building relevant? Not Really more than 2? 5? 10? 20? 50? 100? But its this one rooms?

Do the visitors come only once? or regularly, i.e. once an hour? a day? a week? a month? a year? Not really relevant we have a steady flow of visitors some may come regularly some ocasionally some only once
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So is the occupation of the visitors: Politics? Government? Military?
Do they pay from their own money?
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So is the occupation of the visitors: Politics? Government? Military? Sorry This One Military
Do they pay from their own money? Yes
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Well, I'm a conscientious objector, but I will still give it a try...
Is the military domain relevant? air force? navy? infantry?
Or the grade? privates? officers?
Are the uniforms relevant? the weapons?
Do they come before or after a mission? or irrelevant?
Is physical examination relevant?
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Well, I'm a conscientious objector, but I will still give it a try... Don't worry there is nothing about fighting in this puzzle!
Is the military domain relevant? air force? navy? infantry? All military branches have the same system but just for info it is Air Force.
Or the grade? Yes privates? it doesnt happen here officers? Yes but Senior NCO's is the one we are concerned with
Are the uniforms relevant? No the weapons? Not at all
Do they come before or after a mission? ireelevant or irrelevant?
Is physical examination relevant? No
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Do the visitors decide on their own will to come? or are they supposed to (say they have the order to do so)?
Do they come in groups? individually?
Do they 'enjoy' the visit? do they obtain any information?
Do they come from all over GB? from less than 100 km? 10 km? 1 km?
Is your organisation a military one?
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Do the visitors decide on their own will to come? No or are they supposed to (say they have the order to do so)? They are on duty
Do they come in groups? Sometimes individually? Sometimes
Do they 'enjoy' the visit? do they obtain any information? This may lead to FA's There are many reasons for them to be here
Do they come from all over GB? Yes from less than 100 km? 10 km? 1 km?
Is your organisation a military one? Yes
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I might not no enough about the british army to solve this but anyway...
So they come on duty but they pay from their private money? and for some of them this is entertaining?
Can two visitors do completely different things? or is there a common thing apart from paying?
Is the visit administrative?
Is your organisation part of the british army?
Is compulsory military service relevant (I don't think that you have this in britain)?
Is the entry into or the retirement from the army relevant?
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I might not no enough about the british army to solve this but anyway... Do not try to get too bogged down with the military aspect it is relevant but the puzzle could work in certain other civilian situations...
So they come on duty but they pay from their private money? Yes and for some of them this is entertaining? The reason for the visit may be entertaining. There may be an FA lurking about the nature of the visits
Can two visitors do completely different things? Yes there may be an FA lurking. or is there a common thing apart from paying? again possible FA's here
Is the visit administrative? On Occasion
Is your organisation part of the british army? The British Air Force, (but the Army would work.)
Is compulsory military service relevant (I don't think that you have this in britain)? No
Is the entry into or the retirement from the army relevant? No
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Do the visitors hand a coin to another person? place it in a machine of any description? place it in a collection box or similar?
Does the money go to the government? to your group? to another organisation? do you personally receive any of it?
Is each of your group a member of the air force? is any one?
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Do the visitors hand a coin to another person? YES place it in a machine of any description? No place it in a collection box or similar? YES
Does the money go to the government? No to your group? Yesish to another organisation? Yes do you personally receive any of it? No
Is each of your group a member of the air force? Yesis any one? So Yes
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Is the service a religious service?
Church collection? do the services have a fixed amount that they are expected to give?
Collection for charity?
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Is the service a religious service? No
Church collection? No do the services have a fixed amount that they are expected to give? No
Collection for charity? YES This is involved.

HINT: Some basic LTPF questions about the puzzle statement may help a little.
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Did you make directly the money the visitors payed for the service? part of it?
Or is it in the lines of the following:
The price was say £0.80, the visitors payed £1.00 and you gained the tip of £0.20?
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Did you make directly the money the visitors payed for the service? Yes part of it? but also This
Or is it in the lines of the following:
The price was say £0.80, the visitors payed £1.00 and you gained the tip of £0.20? This is not a million miles away but there is more to be discovered
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Poppies involved? Any other flag/badge?
If the original payment was under one pound, which was nearest - 5p, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90?
Did you raise it to over one pound? If not, which of the above was nearest?
When it was lowered, was it over £1? If not - same as above?
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Poppies involved? No Any other flag/badge? No
If the original payment was under one pound, which was nearest - 5p, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, This One 60, 70, 80, 90?
Did you raise it to over one pound? No If not, which of the above was nearest? 90
When it was lowered, was it over £1? No If not - same as above? 90
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Is the word 'we' of the puzzle statement always referring to the same persons, i.e. your organisation?
Did you get exactly the same number of visitors? or only roughly?
Did you get the same number of visitors over the same given time span? over different time spans?
Would it help to know the three prices exactly?
Is it relevant that the visitors paid with coins? did most of them pay with a £1 coin? did they take the change?
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Is the word 'we' of the puzzle statement always referring to the same persons, i.e. your organisation? NO - Although they are linked
Did you get exactly the same number of visitors? No or only roughly? Yes
Did you get the same number of visitors over the same given time span? Yes over different time spans?
Would it help to know the three prices exactly? Yes
Is it relevant that the visitors paid with coins? Yes Very Much Sodid most of them pay with a £1 coin? did they take the change? NO
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OOPS I missed this one

did most of them pay with a £1 coin? When?
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We (1) raised the price, but despite getting the same number of visitors we (2) got less money. We (3) dropped the price a little and then we (4) made much more money.
Which of those 'we' represent your organisation: (1)?, (2)?, (3)?, (4)?
Those which don't do they represent the same group of people? part of the organisation?
Was the initial price 45p? 46p? ... 55p?
After the rise was it 85p? 86p? ... 95p?
And after the drop was it 85p? 86p? ... 95p?
Did all the visitors always pay with coins?
Did they pay with £1 coins: initially? after the rise? after the drop?
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We (1) raised the price, but despite getting the same number of visitors we (2) got less money. We (3) dropped the price a little and then we (4) made much more money.
Which of those 'we' represent your organisation: (1)?, (2)?, (3)?, (4)? All the We's are part of the same organisation however the (1) and (3) are the same and (2) and (4) are the same...hope this does not become too confusing, it will all become clear!
Those which don't do they represent the same group of people? part of the organisation?
Was the initial price 45p? 46p? ... 55p? 48p
After the rise was it 85p? 86p? ... 95p? £1
And after the drop was it 85p? 86p? ... 95p? 95p
Did all the visitors always pay with coins? not always but generally
Did they pay with £1 coins: initially? sometimes after the rise? Sometimes after the drop? sometimes
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Did initially most of the people pay 50p, leaving 2p tips?
Did after the rise most of the people pay £1, leaving no tips?
Did after the drop most of the people pay £1, leaving 5p tips? were they used for a purpose to be found out?
Did the 'we' (2) and (4) get the tips?
So Senior NCO's from all over Britain came for a service that costs about £1? or did they come for something else? is the service that you provide unique in Britain?
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Did initially most of the people pay 50p, leaving 2p tips? Almost but not tips
Did after the rise most of the people pay £1, leaving no tips? Again correct but not tips
Did after the drop most of the people pay £1, leaving 5p tips? correct but again Tips is wrongwere they used for a purpose to be found out?
Did the 'we' (2) and (4) get the tips? We got the money but they were not tips
So Senior NCO's from all over Britain came for a service that costs about £1? NO or did they come for something else? YES is the service that you provide unique in Britain? No
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Were they perhaps paying for parking?

Was the extra change left by the people just because it wasn't worth waiting for?
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Were they perhaps paying for parking? No

Was the extra change left by the people just because it wasn't worth waiting for? No it was intentional
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We 1 & 3 the air force in general? or at least the powers that be at your particular workplace?
We 2 & 4 - a group of you engaged in some charitable enterprise?
It was only the "keep the change - conveniently placed collection tin" that went to the charity?
The main payment was for something else?
Was it related to the reason for the visitors being there?
Do we need to know why they come? Training purposes? R&R? Examination? Research?
Do they leave with something they didn't have when they came? Tangible?
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We 1 & 3 the air force in general? or at least the powers that be at your particular workplace? This One
We 2 & 4 - a group of you engaged in some charitable enterprise? YES
It was only the "keep the change - conveniently placed collection tin" that went to the charity? YES
The main payment was for something else? Yes
Was it related to the reason for the visitors being there? Yes
Do we need to know why they come? They come for a variety of reasons but there still may be an FA as to why they pay us Training purposes? Could beR&R? No Examination? Could beResearch? Could be
Do they leave with something they didn't have when they came? irrelevant Tangible?
This is quite loosley all there try putting the bits you know together
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So I guess the money issue is more or less solved but we still don't know what the visitors do.
Do the visitors pay before obtaining the service? after? relevant?
Do they enter a particular room?
Is the visit at your place only part of a longer (relevant?) procedure?
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The money aspect is pretty much solved see if you can get the reason why we were able to charge them, I may Spoyle this soon as we could start going in circles..

HINT: If you were visiting a strange town what would you need?
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Map of the camp? Guided tour?
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Map of the camp? Guided tour? No
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Bus timetable? Ticket? List of amenities? of accommodation? Postcard home? honorary membership of something? cup of coffee? will go and get one and see if that helps!
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Bus timetable? Ticket? List of amenities? of accommodation? Not a LIST of accomodation but... Postcard home? honorary membership of something? cup of coffee? will go and get one and see if that helps!
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Did the visitors obtain any information? any help?
Did they obtain something related to accomodation?
So all of them came from afar?
Did they stay for several days?
Did they sleep in the building of your organisation? somewhere else in the town?
And I think you forgot my questions from November 07, 2006 - 10:43 pm or are they completely irrelevant?
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My apologies I missed you
Do the visitors pay before obtaining the service? after? Yes relevant? No
Do they enter a particular room? Irrelevant
Is the visit at your place only part of a longer (relevant?) procedure? Yes

Did the visitors obtain any information? any help? irrelevant
Did they obtain something related to accomodation? YES!
So all of them came from afar? YES
Did they stay for several days? More than one day
Did they sleep in the building of your organisation? YES somewhere else in the town? no
And I think you forgot my questions from November 07, 2006 - 10:43 pm or are they completely irrelevant?
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key deposit? security pass? booking fee? use of a communal facility? cleaning? laundry?
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key deposit? security pass? booking fee? use of a communal facility? Sort of cleaning? sort of laundry? In fact a lot of these are involved, you are pretty much there if you try and put it all together you will be very close to the S word
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just a kind of nominal room service charge?
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just a kind of nominal room service charge? This is pretty much what it is.
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Do we need to know what your charity is or are we there?!
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Do we need to know what your charity is or are we there?! Nah that will do time for a.....

**********************SPOILER*****************

The way the RAF works is that if you visit another station on business you stay in the relevant Mess, in this case the Senior NCO's Mess. Because you are on duty there is no charge for food or accomodation, however there is a small charge for service, (tea, coffee, cleaning, papers etc.) the individual is responsible for paying this out of their own pocket. The Main Mess committee (the first "we")are responsible for the general running of the Mess including setting the price for the service fee, which goes into our funds to be used as we see fit. This price had not been raised for a long time and was 48p. The desision was made to increase it to £1.
The second "we" are the Mess Charities Committee which is a sub-committee of the main committee. We raise money for various local charites in a number of different ways, one of which are collection tins in the bars and on the reception desk where people pay their service charge. When the charge was 48p most people would pay with a 50p coin and rather than keep the change they would put it in our tin. When the price went to £1 they would pay with a £1 coin and there would be no change. We (the Charity Committee) brought it up at a meeting and We (the Main Committee) dropped the price by 5p, people still payed with £1 coins but put the 5p in the tin, meaning the charities gained over twice the amount from every visitior.
I suppose being a member of both committees and a supposed lateral thinker it should have occured to me before we raised the price what would happen, but I didn't realise until the mess receptionist pointed out that the tins were taking much longer to fill.

Thank you all for playing and I hope the military angle did not throw you too far off the scent.

Martin
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Thanks a lot Martin - an excellent puzzle. I'm venturing back to the forum after real life got in the way for a few years and this was a fun way to break the ice.
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Yeah life has a funny way of doing that, thanks for your participation.

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