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Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
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Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 12:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They suspected, but they couldn't get at him. They pushed a button, and then they could.
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Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 7:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are all "theys" the same?
If so, then "they" - human? adult? male?
He - human? male? adult?
Did "he" commit a crime?
The button is on some sort of machine?
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Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 2:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are all "theys" the same? yes
If so, then "they" - human? adult? male?correct
He - human? male? adult? ditto
Did "he" commit a crime? yes
The button is on some sort of machine?um... yope-yesish?
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Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 7:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Exact kind of crime relevant?
If yes, then was it murder? injury? destruction of property? stealing? robbery? rape? armed threats? money forging? fraud?

"They" - witnesses? Policemen? Lawyers?

His job relevant? Their job relevant?
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Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 12:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Exact kind of crime relevant?
If yes, then was it murder?murder is correct injury? destruction of property? stealing? robbery? rape? armed threats? money forging? fraud?

"They" - witnesses? Policemen?policemen Lawyers?

His job relevant? Their job relevant?
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Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 12:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The button: was it in the suspectee's (what's the actual term?) house? at the crime scene? in the police station? in a police vehicle? on a computer? computer keyboard? On a weapon? On something high-tech? low-tech?

Actual, normal, mechanical button? Or more of a metaphorical button? I.e. Something "buttonish"?

A button which opened the door to a secret place? where the corpse was hidden?
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Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 4:08 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

button to open the trunk of the car where the body is hidden?
button to activate a listening device or hidden camera?
button on a telephone?
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Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 5:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did pushing the button give them some proofs? Convinced the guilty to confess?
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Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 12:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The button: was it in the suspectee's (what's the actual term?) house? at the crime scene? in the police station? in a police vehicle? on a computer? computer keyboard? On a weapon? On something high-tech? low-tech? sorry, none of these

Actual, normal, mechanical button?thisOr more of a metaphorical button? I.e. Something "buttonish"?

A button which opened the door to a secret place? where the corpse was hidden?this one is yope

button to open the trunk of the car where the body is hidden?
button to activate a listening device or hidden camera?
button on a telephone?TELEPHONE!!!
Did pushing the button give them some proofs? Convinced the guilty to confess?not exactly
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Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 2:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Re-dial button?
Answer machine playback button?
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Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 9:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Re-dial button?
Answer machine playback button?none of these
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Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 9:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Send button (text msg)?
End Call?
Answer?
Button on a mobile phone? Land line?
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Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 12:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

UMMMM.. Let me rephrase my question: They pushed several buttons

and no or irr to all your questions
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Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 12:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So they pushed a button/buttons on a telephone but not a mobile or land line?
Fax machine?
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Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 1:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So they pushed a button/buttons on a telephone but not a mobile or land line?
Fax machine?irr what type of phone, lets say a mobile or cell phone
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Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 1:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it the phone of the suspected man? Of a victim? Of one of "them"?
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Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 2:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So did they dial a number?
His number?
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Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 3:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it the phone of the suspected man? Of a victim? Of one of "them"?which phone? the one they called, or the one they called from?
So did they dial a number?yeah, several numbers to call
His number?no
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Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 4:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they dial from the phone of the suspected man? Of a victim? Of one of them?

Did they call the phone of the victim?
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Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 8:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they dial from the phone of the suspected man? Of a victim? Of one of them? one of them

Did they call the phone of the victim?yes, you are getting really close to the answer :-)
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Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 9:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this the kind of situation when you can't prove a murder because there is no dead body? The murder hides the body somewhere? And then you call the mobile phone of the victim and find it in the wall or under the floor?
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Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 12:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this the kind of situation when you can't prove a murder because there is no dead body? The murder hides the body somewhere? And then you call the mobile phone of the victim and find it in the wall or under the floor?Very nearly there, but the reason why they couldn't before is also important
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Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 2:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the murderer answer the phone of the victim?

They couldn't proove that he was the murderer because...
He had an alibi?
There was no dead body?
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They couldn't proove that he was the murderer because...
He had an alibi?
There was no dead body?no, anyone want a hint?

This has something to do with laws and courts
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Posted on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 6:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does this have to do with constitutional limitations of what methods the police can use? Did they need a warrant? To do a house search? of the victim's house? of the murderer's house?

So they called the victim. Did the victim answer? My guess is that he/she didn't since he/she had joined the choir invisible, and gone to meet his maker. Did someone else answer?

So, perhaps they called the victim several times? During a week or so?

Did they have the body or didn't they? Did they know for sure that the victim was missing?

And by calling the victim, they got information which made the court think that a house search was OK?

Was the murderer imposturing as the victim? But he didn't use the same phone, or something? Or perhaps the murderer answered both his own number and the victim's number? And they saw him doing this?
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Posted on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 2:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does this have to do with constitutional limitations of what methods the police can use?yes Did they need a warrant?yes To do a house search? of the victim's house? of the murderer's house?to do a search, but not in a house

So they called the victim. Did the victim answer?Its kinda hard t answer when you are dead! My guess is that he/she didn't since he/she had joined the choir invisible, and gone to meet his maker. Did someone else answer?no one else did, and your guess was incorrect

So, perhaps they called the victim several times? During a week or so?

Did they have the body or didn't they?didn't Did they know for sure that the victim was missing?yes

And by calling the victim, they got information which made the court think that a house search was OK?no

Was the murderer imposturing as the victim?no But he didn't use the same phone, or something? Or perhaps the murderer answered both his own number and the victim's number? And they saw him doing this?no to all
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Posted on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 2:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OH WHOOPS he had gone to meet his maker(I couldn''t figure that out at first}
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Posted on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 3:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Could someone hear the victim's phone ringing and so could prove something? find out something?
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Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 1:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they have a warrant before they called the numbers?
Did they get a warrant after they called the numbers?

Did they hear the ring tone of the victim's phone? Was the place, in which the victim's phone was, somewhat unusal?

The place they needed to search: did they ever search this place? Was the body of the victim in that place? Size/length of this place: 1m? 2m? 3m? ... 10m? ... 20m? .... 100m? ... 1000m? ... 500 billion light years? Was it a vehicle? A car? The luggage space of a car? A coffin? Something box-like? Some part of a building?

Maybe after they called the numbers, they didn't need a warrant anymore? Because they had some evidence anyway?

Was the victim's body ever found?
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Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 12:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Could someone hear the victim's phone ringing and so could prove something? find out something?kinda, read below

Did they have a warrant before they called the numbers?
Did they get a warrant after they called the numbers?No to both!

Did they hear the ring tone of the victim's phone?yes Was the place, in which the victim's phone was, somewhat unusal?nope

The place they needed to search: did they ever search this place? Not reallyWas the body of the victim in that place? yes!Size/length of this place: 1m?Um, i would presume around this? 2m? 3m? ... 10m? ... 20m? .... 100m? ... 1000m? ... 500 billion light years? Was it a vehicle? A car?YES The luggage space of a car?YES A coffin? Something box-like? Some part of a building?

Maybe after they called the numbers, they didn't need a warrant anymore?yeah, but why?? Because they had some evidence anyway? Nope

Was the victim's body ever found?
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Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 2:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The murderer said he did not know the victim or something like that?
They didn't believe him but didn't get the warrant to search inside his car?
So they called the victim's phone, it rang inside the trunk of the car and so it was proved that the murderer lied?
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Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 12:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The murderer said he did not know the victim or something like that?no
They didn't believe him but didn't get the warrant to search inside his car?They didn't get the warrant to search
So they called the victim's phone, it rang inside the trunk of the car and so it was proved that the murderer lied?Very close! OTRT!

I can sp01l now if you want: you are close enough
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Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 9:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Let's see what Mani says
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Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 1:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok: Sure. You can keep trying though
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Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 2:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Maybe you can post a recap and the points that still should be explored?
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Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 5:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Actually, you are too close so let's....
SPOILER!!!

At a toll booth, some security guards suspected that the trunk contained a body. They couldn't get it, because any item gotten without a warrant is not admissable in court. They called the cell phone of the victim, and when it started ringing, they told the murderer to take his cell phone out of the trunk in case if he got an important call. The rest is , as they say, history
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Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 11:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh! That is clever!
Thanks for the puzzle
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Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 3:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks :-)

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