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This may seem like an earlier puzzle, but it is completely different.

Because of Joe's ignorance and a long-held tradition, Therese is still alive.
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Okay I'll start with the usual:
Joe=human? Joe=male? Therese=human? Therese = female? Did Joe know Therese? Did Therese know Joe? Joe's occupation relevant? Therese's occupation? Ages important?
(Enough typing - BTW, Superman, I like your puzzles.)
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Okay I'll start with the usual:
Joe=human? Joe=male? Therese=human? Therese = female? Did Joe know Therese? Did Therese know Joe? Yes to all of the above Joe's occupation relevant? Therese's occupation? Neither Ages important? Not really
(Enough typing - BTW, Superman, I like your puzzles.) Why thanks
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We interrupt this puzzle to announce that ... I have recently discovered that this puzzle's prompt is extremely similar to that of DanielVS's 'Coincidences Save Lives.' DanielVS, if you're reading, just so you know, I'm not plagiarising; this puzzle is entirely different than yours ... and with that ... back to normal broadcasting
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Is the relationship between Joe and Therese relevant?

e.g blood related / courting / strangers etc?

Did Joe's ignorance mean that he:
Did something?
Omitted to to do something?
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Is the relationship between Joe and Therese relevant? Noish

e.g blood related / courting / strangers etc?

Did Joe's ignorance mean that he:
Did something?
Omitted to to do something? Yes
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If Joe had not been there, would her life still be at risk?
Are there any other people involved?
Is location important?
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If Joe had not been there, would her life still be at risk? No
Are there any other people involved? No
Is location important? Yes
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would Therese have died of something natural? been murdered? had an accident? would Joe have killed her? or a third person? would she have killed herself?

was she injured anyway? did some event happen to her anyway?
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would Therese have died of something natural? been murdered? had an accident? would Joe have killed her? or a third person? would she have killed herself? Joe would have murdered her

was she injured anyway? did some event happen to her anyway? None
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has Therese done something to Joe that he wasn't aware of? or something to someone Joe knows? or knew? had Therese hurt anyone? killed anyone? damaged anything?
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has Therese done something to Joe that he wasn't aware of? or something to someone Joe knows? or knew? had Therese hurt anyone? killed anyone? damaged anything? All irrel
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Is there a murder weapon involved? If so:
- Is it something normally associated with a murder weapon?
- Did he/she bring the murder weapon?
- Was it found on location?
- Has Joe's ignorance to do with how to operate the murder weapon?
Would murdering her be intentional or accidental?
Is it important that they are boy and girl? What they feel for each other?
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Is there a murder weapon involved? If so:
- Is it something normally associated with a murder weapon? No
- Did he/she bring the murder weapon? No
- Was it found on location? No
- Has Joe's ignorance to do with how to operate the murder weapon? No
Would murdering her be intentional or accidental? Intentional
Is it important that they are boy and girl? What they feel for each other? None of these
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But is there a murder weapon relevant? Is there one at all? Or would he have murdered her with his bare hands? I assume the method of murder is relevant...

Is the long held tradition about murder? About Joe or others like him directly? About Therese or others like her directly? About the way in which the murder would have taken place? (e.g a tradition not to carry lighters, and Joe was going to set fire to Therese's house)

Is it a common tradition? A regional tradition? Or a (reasonably) far-fetched one?

Positive or negative tradition? As in going trick-or-treating, as opposed to not washing on Sundays?

Is this a modern day scenario? If relevant: Is is not plausible before the [insert LPTFLPI as centuries, please]? After?
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But is there a murder weapon relevant? Is there one at all? Or would he have murdered her with his bare hands? I assume the method of murder is relevant... There is a relevant potential murder weapon.

Is the long held tradition about murder? No About Joe or others like him directly? NoAbout Therese or others like her directly? NoAbout the way in which the murder would have taken place? (e.g a tradition not to carry lighters, and Joe was going to set fire to Therese's house) No

Is it a common tradition? Not really A regional tradition? Yes Or a (reasonably) far-fetched one? Who knows?

Positive or negative tradition? Neutral As in going trick-or-treating, as opposed to not washing on Sundays?

Is this a modern day scenario? If relevant: Is is not plausible before the [insert LPTFLPI as centuries, please]? After? Implausible before the 20th century

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Thank you!

So, because of the two factors, Therese is still alive. Des this mean that the murder attempt failed? Or that the murder attempt didn't even take place? Like if it was delayed?
Had Theresa at any time been aware of the murder attempt? Is she now, after its failure?

Was the murder attempt premeditated?

Would the murder weapon have been used as a blunt object? a sharp object? missile? Or would the death have been from something stranger such as hypothermia? poisoning? contracting a virus?
Though you wouldn't really call poisoned cookies a weapon, i guess

And finally: Is Joe still alive? Did the attempt backfire? And if not, will he try again? Or does he not want her dead anymore?
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So, because of the two factors, Therese is still alive. Des this mean that the murder attempt failed? Yope Or that the murder attempt didn't even take place? Yes Like if it was delayed? It never happened
Had Theresa at any time been aware of the murder attempt? No Is she now, after its failure? Probably not

Was the murder attempt premeditated? Yes

Would the murder weapon have been used as a blunt object? a sharp object? missile? Or would the death have been from something stranger such as hypothermia? poisoning? contracting a virus?
Though you wouldn't really call poisoned cookies a weapon, i guess It was none of these

And finally: Is Joe still alive? No Did the attempt backfire? Yope And if not, will he try again? I think not Or does he not want her dead anymore?
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Is the tradition something like a "ladies first" kind of tradition? Is it regional to the country? town? Their social group?
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Did Joe die while preparing the murder? Did he test something? Like, a tradition saying that some local animal's meat is poisonous, and Joe wanted to be sure, so he ate some? He can't be this ignorant!
Or did he die while trying to actually murder Therese? Did he die by the same means that he intended her to die? By the same weapon, but some different way?
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Is the tradition something like a "ladies first" kind of tradition? Is it regional to the country? town? Their social group? None

Did Joe die while preparing the murder? Yope
Did he test something? No Like, a tradition saying that some local animal's meat is poisonous, and Joe wanted to be sure, so he ate some? He can't be this ignorant!
Or did he die while trying to actually murder Therese? No Did he die by the same means that he intended her to die? Yes By the same weapon, but some different way? in the same way
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Regional to a specific, definable location, then? Region smaller than a town? Is the region a continent? Something larger? or maybe, more countries/cities with a common feature?

Is the murder weapon a specific physical object? Solid? Liquid? Gaseous?
If I would see it, would I consider that it can be used for murderous purposes?
After Joe's death, is the murder weapon in his hand? Above him? Below him? Inside him? Fallen? Relatively close to him? Or nowhere in his vicinity?

Any other people involved in this than Joe and Therese?
Would Joe's death be considered suicide? Accident? Murder?
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Regional to a specific, definable location, then? Yope Region smaller than a town? No Is the region a continent? No Something larger? No or maybe, more countries/cities with a common feature? Somewhat

Is the murder weapon a specific physical object? Solid? Liquid? Gaseous? Yes; solid
If I would see it, would I consider that it can be used for murderous purposes? Yes
After Joe's death, is the murder weapon in his hand? Above him? Below him? Inside him? Fallen? Relatively close to him? Or nowhere in his vicinity? Nowhere in his vicinity

Any other people involved in this than Joe and Therese? No
Would Joe's death be considered suicide? Accident? Murder? Accident
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But the murder weapon has been near Joe, in order for him to die? Does the weapon itself require physical contact with the victim?

If it has been in contact with him: has it now been moved somewhere else? Or has it disappeared? Melted? Metamorphed?
Was it acted upon by some external? natural? factor? Such as wind?

Does this happen on land? In one location? In more? Relevant?

Is this track OK or should we explore something else first?
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But the murder weapon has been near Joe, in order for him to die? Yes Does the weapon itself require physical contact with the victim? Yes

If it has been in contact with him: has it now been moved somewhere else? Or has it disappeared? Melted? Metamorphed? It has been moved
Was it acted upon by some external? natural? factor? Such as wind? None

Does this happen on land? In one location? In more? Relevant? On land in one location, relevant

Is this track OK or should we explore something else first? What do you mean?
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When Joe died, was he still in one piece? Was it a freaky accident? Thinking in lines of blown to pieces, eaten by an aligator, shot away 2 km by a canon, dropped from the weapon bay of a plane etc.
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When Joe died, was he still in one piece? No Was it a freaky accident? yesish Thinking in lines of blown to pieces, eaten by an aligator, shot away 2 km by a canon, dropped from the weapon bay of a plane etc.
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Did he get cut in halves? Decapitated? Dismembered? Torn apart? BLOWN apart?
And Therese would have died in the same way... gosh!

So Joe's death is quite accidental, but would Therese's potential death have been considered obvious murder? Or would it have looked like an accident? Suicide?

The murder weapon: is it smaller than a book? than a marshall amp? than a wardrobe? than a car? larger?
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Does the murder weapon move by its own accord?
Is it movable at all?
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Did he get cut in halves? Decapitated? Dismembered? Torn apart? BLOWN apart?
And Therese would have died in the same way... gosh! Ah yes -- and in all of these ways (except blown up) at once!

So Joe's death is quite accidental, but would Therese's potential death have been considered obvious murder? Yes Or would it have looked like an accident? Suicide? It would have looked like murder

The murder weapon: is it smaller than a book? than a marshall amp? than a wardrobe? than a car? larger? larger

Does the murder weapon move by its own accord?
Is it movable at all? Yesish; yes
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Same thing as would happen if you got too close to a harvesting machine?
Long shot...
Was it stuck? Did he try to make it work by kicking away whatever stopped it from working?
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Same thing as would happen if you got too close to a harvesting machine? Not exactly
Long shot...
Was it stuck? No Did he try to make it work by kicking away whatever stopped it from working? No
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Is the murder weapon alive? An animal?
Mechanical? A robot? High-tech? A piece of machinery? Something similar?
Remote controlled?
Did it leave by itself after killing Joe? Would it come by itself when Joe would have attempted to kill Therese?

Is killing the weapon's main purpose? Is the weapon capable of killing again?

If the weapon is high-tech, then the tradition is much older than the weapon? But Joe didn't realize it and still felt he should... apply it?

This resembles those puzzles that keep me up at night after reading them...
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Is the murder weapon alive? No An animal?
Mechanical? Yes A robot? High-tech? Yope A piece of machinery? And this Something similar? and this
Remote controlled? No
Did it leave by itself after killing Joe? Yes Would it come by itself when Joe would have attempted to kill Therese? Yes

Is killing the weapon's main purpose? No Is the weapon capable of killing again? Yes

If the weapon is high-tech, then the tradition is much older than the weapon? No But Joe didn't realize it and still felt he should... apply it? I don't know

This resembles those puzzles that keep me up at night after reading them...
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does the mechanical thing have wheels? 4? is it big enough to sit in? or on? I guess if its not remote control, then its something that can be programmed? to carry out specific tasks? like something to do with farming? or is it more like some sort of vehicle that he left the brake off? and it rolled over him and kept going?
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Were they outside or inside?
Did it happen on a farm? lake? forest? industry? airport? boat? sawmill?
Was it more than one machine of the same kind present?
Did the killing device include a set of rotating metal blades? If so, more than one? did at have a horisontal axis, vertical? Did they spin really fast? As fast as a propeller?
Is Joe's occupation relevant? How he was dressed?
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But the tradition is a long-held one, does that mean that the murderous device is comparatively old?
You said the tradition is not about how the murder would take place, but is it about the machine? Maybe, about the machine's primary use?
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does the mechanical thing have wheels? yes 4? No is it big enough to sit in? Yes or on? Yes I guess if its not remote control, then its something that can be programmed? Yope to carry out specific tasks? Yes like something to do with farming? No or is it more like some sort of vehicle that he left the brake off? and it rolled over him and kept going? Neither

Were they outside or inside? Outside
Did it happen on a farm? lake? forest? industry? airport? boat? sawmill? Could be farm or forest
Was it more than one machine of the same kind present? Yope
Did the killing device include a set of rotating metal blades? No If so, more than one? did at have a horisontal axis, vertical? Did they spin really fast? As fast as a propeller?
Is Joe's occupation relevant? No How he was dressed? Irr

But the tradition is a long-held one, does that mean that the murderous device is comparatively old? To what?
You said the tradition is not about how the murder would take place, but is it about the machine? No Maybe, about the machine's primary use?
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Is it a forest machine? The big kind that is taking care of a whole tree by cutting, sawing off branches... the whole lot in one go?
Is the tradition from working in the forest?
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Is it a forest machine? The big kind that is taking care of a whole tree by cutting, sawing off branches... the whole lot in one go?
Is the tradition from working in the forest?

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But the tradition is a long-held one, does that mean that the murderous device is comparatively old? To what?
Is the device about as old as the tradition? Older?
(Not this specific device, but this type of devices)

Is the device larger than a room? Than a truck? Than a house?
Is the device primary purpose to destroy something? To produce something? To move something? To move through something?
Is it electrically powered? Manually powered? Fuel powered?
Does it make no noise? little noise? a large racket?

When it kills, does it roll over the victim? Does it bump into him? Does it get close and then operate with some end effectors?
When it does its regular job, same q's, if appliable, please!
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But the tradition is a long-held one, does that mean that the murderous device is comparatively old? To what?
Is the device about as old as the tradition? Older? Older
(Not this specific device, but this type of devices)

Is the device larger than a room? Depends Than a truck? Yes Than a house? Likely
Is the device primary purpose to destroy something? No To produce something? No To move something? Yes To move through something? Yes
Is it electrically powered? Sometimes Manually powered? Yope Fuel powered? Sometimes
Does it make no noise? little noise? a large racket? A large racket

When it kills, does it roll over the victim? Yes Does it bump into him? Yes Does it get close and then operate with some end effectors? Yope
When it does its regular job, same q's, if appliable, please! All are the same
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Is it usually owned by people, organisations, corporations, military, government?
Has the device replaced an older way of accomplishing the same thing?
Is it a multifunction device?
Is it operated regardless of season?
Does it normally transport people? organic material, inorganic material, machines, containers?
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Is it usually owned by people, organisations, corporations, military, government? Organisations, Corporations
Has the device replaced an older way of accomplishing the same thing? Yes
Is it a multifunction device? Yes
Is it operated regardless of season? Yes
Does it normally transport people? organic material, inorganic material, machines, containers? Yes to all
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Does it come in different sizes?
The specific device used in this situation, does it have all the characteristics you have answered yes to before?
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Do you say multifunction because it transports all sorts of things? Or does it actually usually do more than that??
Would it be considered a vehicle? A transport network such as a mine shaft with tracks and such? Is it a train?
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Does it come in different sizes? Yes
The specific device used in this situation, does it have all the characteristics you have answered yes to before? Yes
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You missed my questions!
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You missed my questions! Sorry!

Do you say multifunction because it transports all sorts of things? Or does it actually usually do more than that??
Would it be considered a vehicle? A transport network such as a mine shaft with tracks and such? Is it a train? A TRAIN!!!!!
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Is the train moving? On tracks?
Would the murder be possible with just a locomotive (no cars behind)?
Is it a steam train? More modern than that (electricity/diesel)?
Does Joes death happen on the train or on the tracks?
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Is the train moving? On tracks? Yes; yes
Would the murder be possible with just a locomotive (no cars behind)? Yes
Is it a steam train? More modern than that (electricity/diesel)? irrel
Does Joes death happen on the train or on the tracks? tracks
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Did he know exactly when the train was coming? Did he try to find out somehow?
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The accident and the would-be murder would both happen in the exact same place on the tracks, right? Is this place at a station? Just before or after a station? Far from any stations?
Anything relevant about the particular location? Could it happen almost everywhere along the track?

Did he intend to murder Therese by tying her to the tracks? (hehe) Getting her stuck in a car on the tracks?

And he got run over by the train? Was he stuck on the track? Was he inside something(car)? If not, we should find out why didn't he jump out of the way! Perhaps the tradition fits in here?
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Did he put the ear to the rails, but looked the wrong way? (away from the train)
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Did he know exactly when the train was coming? Did he try to find out somehow? Yes to both

The accident and the would-be murder would both happen in the exact same place on the tracks, right? Yes this place at a station? Just before or after a station? Far from any stations? not at or adjacent to a station
Anything relevant about the particular location? Yes Could it happen almost everywhere along the track? Yes

Did he intend to murder Therese by tying her to the tracks? yes (hehe) Getting her stuck in a car on the tracks? No

And he got run over by the train? Yes Was he stuck on the track? No Was he inside something(car)? No If not, we should find out why didn't he jump out of the way! Yes Perhaps the tradition fits in here? Yes

Did he put the ear to the rails, but looked the wrong way? (away from the train) No
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Was he preparing the act in any way? Like... bringing rope?

Did he know the train was coming toward him? Did he realise it was going to hit him? Did he realise he is going to die?

Are we, by any chance, at one of those forks in the track, with a lever that switches the way trains go?
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Was he preparing the act in any way? Like... bringing rope? No

Did he know the train was coming toward him? Yes Did he realise it was going to hit him? No Did he realise he is going to die? No

Are we, by any chance, at one of those forks in the track, with a lever that switches the way trains go? No
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Did he think the train was going to stop before hitting him? Did he think it would go another way?
Did he simply not make the connection that the train will hit him and he will die? Did he realise he was on the tracks?

Do you mean, by 'tradition', a common belief, such as an urban legend? Or an actual tradition, significant to a cultural group? sorry, i think i'm quite ambiguous, but it's 4 am here, and i was kept up by some work... now it's time to catch some shut-eye
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Did he think the train was going to stop before hitting him? No Did he think it would go another way? No
Did he simply not make the connection that the train will hit him and he will die? Yope Did he realise he was on the tracks? Yes

Do you mean, by 'tradition', a common belief, such as an urban legend? No Or an actual tradition, significant to a cultural group? Yope sorry, i think i'm quite ambiguous, but it's 4 am here, and i was kept up by some work... now it's time to catch some shut-eye No, it's fine
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was he sitting on the tracks? lying on them? did he think if he lay flat the train would pass over him? did he think the train would do something that it didn't? or that the train wouldn't do something that it did?
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was he sitting on the tracks? lying on them? lying did he think if he lay flat the train would pass over him? No did he think the train would do something that it didn't? Yes or that the train wouldn't do something that it did? Yes
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did he think the train would stop for some reason? did it normally stop at a place a little way down the tracks? or did he think the driver would see him and stop? did he not realise how fast the train would be travelling? was he working out the timing for how he would kill Therese?
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Was Therese supposed to be killed by a train?
The train killing Joe, is it the same train that was supposed to kill Therese? The train he was expecting to come?
Can we assume that trains wherever this is, are normally on time?
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did he think the train would stop for some reason? No did it normally stop at a place a little way down the tracks? Irrel or did he think the driver would see him and stop? No did he not realise how fast the train would be travelling? No was he working out the timing for how he would kill Therese? Yes

Was Therese supposed to be killed by a train? Yes
The train killing Joe, is it the same train that was supposed to kill Therese? The train he was expecting to come? Yes to both
Can we assume that trains wherever this is, are normally on time? Yes
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Was he somehow confused with what time it was? Thinking in lines of timezones.
Did he have the correct time schedule? Did he read it properly? Was it a special day when the train were running on another schedule?
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Was he somehow confused with what time it was? Thinking in lines of timezones. Yes
Did he have the correct time schedule? Yes Did he read it properly? Yes Was it a special day when the train were running on another schedule? No
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So he knew that the train would be coming, but he didn't believe it would come exactly at that moment? He thought it would come later?

This means that he didn't actually see or hear the train approaching?

Or did he see it, but he was certain that at that specific time the train would be slower and unable to kill?

Was the actual time when he died, the time he expected to be when he would murder Therese? Was Therese there?
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So he knew that the train would be coming, but he didn't believe it would come exactly at that moment? Yes He thought it would come later? Yes

This means that he didn't actually see or hear the train approaching? Right

Or did he see it, but he was certain that at that specific time the train would be slower and unable to kill? No

Was the actual time when he died, the time he expected to be when he would murder Therese? Yes Was Therese there? No
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Why did he not see it coming? Was he blind and deaf?
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Why did he not see it coming? Was he blind and deaf? Not a yes/no; Neither
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So he thought that it was earlier than it actually was. Did he think it was earlier by: 1-59 min? 1-3hr? 3-23r? One day? More days?
(if the exact time is necessary, or at least more specific than my ranges, could you assume LPTFLPI minutes?)

His wrong knowledge of time is a result of him doing something out of ignorance? or a result of the tradition?

how do you say in english? a result of him doing sth or a result of his doing sth?

I think my reasoning is working when I infer that he couldn't have known for sure that Therese would have been there at any specific time. Therefore:
Did he plan to bring her there? Or plan to make her go there by some means?
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Did he fall asleep? Was he unconscious? praying? preparing for the murder?
Did he think that if he was just lying down the train would be nice anough to stop without running over him? or act like a stampede?
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So he thought that it was earlier than it actually was. Yes Did he think it was earlier by: 1-59 min? 1-3hr? This 3-23r? One day? More days?
(if the exact time is necessary, or at least more specific than my ranges, could you assume LPTFLPI minutes?) It would be at earliest a few hours before sunrise

His wrong knowledge of time is a result of him doing something out of ignorance? or a result of the tradition? Both

how do you say in english? a result of him doing sth or a result of his doing sth? It's better to say 'as a result of (doing) sth'

I think my reasoning is working when I infer that he couldn't have known for sure that Therese would have been there at any specific time. Therefore:
Did he plan to bring her there? Yes Or plan to make her go there by some means? Yope
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Did he fall asleep? Asleep Was he unconscious? praying? preparing for the murder?
Did he think that if he was just lying down the train would be nice anough to stop without running over him? No or act like a stampede? No
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is the tradition something to do with sleep? sleepwalking? or trains? time?
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is the tradition something to do with sleep? sleepwalking? or trains? time? Time
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Did he come from a totally different timezone where it is time for a nap? Such as siesta?
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Or is the tradition related to the change of time? Such as DST?
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Or is the tradition related to the change of time? Such as DST? DAYLIIGHT SAVINGS TIME!
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While waiting for the time to come to bring his victim, Therese and tie her to the tracks, Joe fell asleep right there, on the train tracks. Unfortunatly for him, the time had changed to DST (or from DST, whichever moves it 1h forward), and Joe omitted to change the time on his alarm watch. Instead of waking up just in time, he ended up where he wanted Therese, sleeping with the fishies. (Or maybe food for the fish, considering the number of pieces in which he is split)

Or maybe, the country recently switched the day on which to pass to and from DST (I remember this happened here when I was a little boy), and he wasn't aware of this?
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While waiting for the time to come to bring his victim, Therese and tie her to the tracks, Joe fell asleep right there, on the train tracks. Unfortunatly for him, the time had changed to DST (or from DST, whichever moves it 1h forward), and Joe omitted to change the time on his alarm watch. Instead of waking up just in time, he ended up where he wanted Therese, sleeping with the fishies. (Or maybe food for the fish, considering the number of pieces in which he is split)

Or maybe, the country recently switched the day on which to pass to and from DST (I remember this happened here when I was a little boy), and he wasn't aware of this?

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