| Author | Message | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 425 Registered: 3-2006 |
Two men enter a room. They do not speak. They are joined by a third man; then by several more men. Nobody speaks. Finally, two more men enter the room, and the conversation begins. A journey is planned. | ||
| Blazingphoenix (Blazingphoenix)
New member Username: Blazingphoenix Post Number: 5 Registered: 2-2007 |
Any religious stuff implied here? (ie, the priests cannot talk until the pope enters?) | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 429 Registered: 3-2006 |
Any religious stuff implied here? (ie, the priests cannot talk until the pope enters?) no | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 296 Registered: 10-2003 |
Is the room tangible? Or is it a chatroom? Enter = come in through a door? Do they plan a private journey? Is the situation in a business-context? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 431 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is the room tangible? yes, a real room Or is it a chatroom? no Enter = come in through a door? yes Do they plan a private journey? yes Is the situation in a business-context? yes, a work-related context: not business as in trading | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 40 Registered: 1-2007 |
Are these people employed in any of the following sectors? (thanks to whoever came up with this list) artistic/musical/writer? Banking/financial/real estate? Clerical/Administrative? Computer related / Hardware? Construction / Craftsman? Education / Academic Research? Entertainment / Media? Executive / Management? Hospitality / Travel? Legal Services? Manufacturing / Distributions? Medical / Health Services? Politics / Government / Military? Sales / Marketing? Technical / Science / Engineering? Teaching / Child care? Transportation? Food Service? Sports? Fitness? Jailbird / Criminal? Religion? Were any of the men in the room physically incapable of speech? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 433 Registered: 3-2006 |
artistic/musical/writer? this Entertainment / Media? and this | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 189 Registered: 9-2003 |
a journey as in going to another physical place? or more of a journey as in working together to get something done? are any of the mens seperate specific jobs important? were the last 2 men the most important? was anyone in the room physically incapable of speaking? were they in a studio? if they had spoken would it have ruined something? when the other 2 men came in did it indicate that whatever had meant they couldn't speak was over? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 435 Registered: 3-2006 |
a journey as in going to another physical place? this one or more of a journey as in working together to get something done? are any of the mens seperate specific jobs important? yope were the last 2 men the most important? yope was anyone in the room physically incapable of speaking? no were they in a studio? no if they had spoken would it have ruined something? sort of ... otrt when the other 2 men came in did it indicate that whatever had meant they couldn't speak was over? yes | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 46 Registered: 1-2007 |
Was the journey to mark the completion of a project? a reward for a job well done? Were all the men in the room going on the journey? Did the journey involve foreign travel? Would they need transport for the journey ? if so a plane? boat? Bus? Train? other? Was the journey within walking distance? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 438 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was the journey to mark the completion of a project? not exactly but otrt a reward for a job well done? not really Were all the men in the room going on the journey? yes Did the journey involve foreign travel? not 100% sure, but probably not Would they need transport for the journey ? yes if so a plane? boat? Bus? Train? other? this Was the journey within walking distance? probably not | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 193 Registered: 9-2003 |
car travel? were they doing a sponsered silence? did they need silence to concentrate? to do something? paperwork? something to do with music? films? was anything being recorded? did they not want someone else to hear their voices? did someone tell them to be silent? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 440 Registered: 3-2006 |
car travel? no were they doing a sponsered silence? no did they need silence to concentrate? no to do something? no paperwork? no something to do with music? the puzzle is connected to music, yes films? no was anything being recorded? no did they not want someone else to hear their voices? yesish did someone tell them to be silent? no | ||
| Snoozer (Snoozer)
New member Username: Snoozer Post Number: 520 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is the last two men entering the room the signal for them to start the conversation? Did they know each other? Was the meeting set up between them? By someone else? Is anyone else listening to their conversation? one, few, a lot of people? Is it recorded? Did they ever go on the journey? Is the journey a concert tour? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 441 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is the last two men entering the room the signal for them to start the conversation? yes, sort of Did they know each other? yes Was the meeting set up between them? By someone else? this, I suppose ... but not really important Is anyone else listening to their conversation? no one, few, a lot of people? Is it recorded? no Did they ever go on the journey? yes Is the journey a concert tour? no | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 48 Registered: 1-2007 |
Are the men in a musical group? or involved in the production side of the music business? Will the trip involve them being away for a considerable period of time? more than a day? a week? a year? more than this? Were the men miming to a backing track? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 442 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are the men in a musical group? yes or involved in the production side of the music business? no Will the trip involve them being away for a considerable period of time? yes but beware fa more than a day? a week? not sure, but most likely this one a year? more than this? Were the men miming to a backing track? no | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 197 Registered: 9-2003 |
hmm are they going on motorcycles? bicycles? do any of them play instruments? sing? dance? are they going to perform at their destination? were they trying to listen to something? eavesdrop on someone? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 444 Registered: 3-2006 |
hmm are they going on motorcycles? no bicycles? no do any of them play instruments? yes sing? no dance? no are they going to perform at their destination? no were they trying to listen to something? no eavesdrop on someone? no Good questions! | ||
| Snoozer (Snoozer)
New member Username: Snoozer Post Number: 522 Registered: 1-2007 |
Are they going to stay there indefinitely? Return back again? Are they going to take up the music again after they return? Are they doing anything concerning music during the journey? Such as writing a new song? Planning something? Is it likely that they meet again when they return home? Is the kind of music they play important? Do we need to figure out who they are? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 446 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are they going to stay there indefinitely? possibly Return back again? possibly but irrel Are they going to take up the music again after they return? possibly but irrel Are they doing anything concerning music during the journey? no Such as writing a new song? no Planning something? not during the journey, no Is it likely that they meet again when they return home? irrel Is the kind of music they play important? yes Do we need to figure out who they are? yes | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 199 Registered: 9-2003 |
do they play jazz? pop? rock? blues? would finding out the instruments help? are they brass? string? keyboard? drums? do they want to quit the business? are they going on a tram? something open aired? a float? do all of them fit in one vehicle? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 448 Registered: 3-2006 |
do they play jazz? pop? rock? blues? none of these would finding out the instruments help? yes are they brass? some of these string? and these keyboard? no drums? no do they want to quit the business? no-ish but otrt are they going on a tram? no something open aired? possibly but irrel a float? no do all of them fit in one vehicle? almost certainly not | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 205 Registered: 9-2003 |
classical? country? folk? dance? do some of them want to quit? is the band splitting up?or just taking a break for a bit? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 53 Registered: 1-2007 |
Were the men in the room hiding from someone? Were they planning the journey to escape something? Were they going to defect? Are the men in an orchestra? do they play violins? cellos? Anything to do with the cases they would carry their instruments in? Any criminal activity being planned? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 453 Registered: 3-2006 |
classical? this one country? folk? dance? do some of them want to quit? poss but irrel is the band splitting up?or just taking a break for a bit? this one Were the men in the room hiding from someone? no Were they planning the journey to escape something? not exactly Were they going to defect? no Are the men in an orchestra? yes do they play violins? some play violin cellos? some play cello Anything to do with the cases they would carry their instruments in? no Any criminal activity being planned? no | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 426 Registered: 8-2005 |
Had they been performing immediatly prior to this meeting? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 455 Registered: 3-2006 |
Had they been performing immediatly prior to this meeting? yes | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 427 Registered: 8-2005 |
Did the final two mens entrance signify the end of the performance? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 457 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did the final two mens entrance signify the end of the performance? yes | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 428 Registered: 8-2005 |
Were they being quiet so the audience would not hear? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 458 Registered: 3-2006 |
Were they being quiet so the audience would not hear? yes! | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 429 Registered: 8-2005 |
So they all waited to the end of the performance to discuss a journey because they did not want the audience to hear? Was the journey mentioned? or planned? before this time? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 460 Registered: 3-2006 |
So they all waited to the end of the performance to discuss a journey because they did not want the audience to hear? yes Was the journey mentioned? or planned? before this time? yes | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 213 Registered: 9-2003 |
did they tell the audience it was their final performance for a while? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 461 Registered: 3-2006 |
did they tell the audience it was their final performance for a while? not exactly, but otrt | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 60 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is the era that this took place relevant? Was there a war on? is that why they wouldn't be performing for a while? Was the decision to take a break from performing taken by themselves? Any of the orchestra members connected/ related to each other apart from being in the group together? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 462 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is the era that this took place relevant? vaguely Was there a war on? no or irrel is that why they wouldn't be performing for a while? no Was the decision to take a break from performing taken by themselves? no, good question Any of the orchestra members connected/ related to each other apart from being in the group together? probably not, but irrelevant | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 69 Registered: 1-2007 |
Was the decision that they take a break taken by their record label? management? a politician? due to public outcry? were the orchestra members of a minority race? were they subject to discrimination? Just another thought were they at a funeral or remembrance ceremony? | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 431 Registered: 8-2005 |
Were they happy to go on the journey? Is the method of travel relevant? if so is it: train? plane? automobile? boat? hovercraft? bicycle? on foot? raft? subarine? rocket? Truck? Airship? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 464 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was the decision that they take a break taken by their record label? no management? this is closest but not really the word I'd use a politician? no due to public outcry? no were the orchestra members of a minority race? no were they subject to discrimination? no-ish Just another thought were they at a funeral or remembrance ceremony? not this | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 465 Registered: 3-2006 |
Were they happy to go on the journey? yes Is the method of travel relevant? it's not crucial but it might help a little if so is it: train? plane? automobile? boat? hovercraft? bicycle? on foot? raft? subarine? rocket? Truck? Airship? none of the above, I'm afraid | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 77 Registered: 1-2007 |
very few forms of transport left Camper Van/ Caravan? Hot air balloon? helicopter? bus/coach? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 471 Registered: 3-2006 |
very few forms of transport left Camper Van/ Caravan? Hot air balloon? helicopter? bus/coach? none of these! sorry! There's still a significant one you haven't guessed yet. | ||
| Thestreetdetective (Thestreetdetective)
New member Username: Thestreetdetective Post Number: 6 Registered: 3-2007 |
does the mode of transportation utilize the air? sea? ground? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 473 Registered: 3-2006 |
does the mode of transportation utilize the air? sea? ground? this one | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 437 Registered: 8-2005 |
Does it have an engine? roller skates? ice skates? skis? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 474 Registered: 3-2006 |
Does it have an engine? roller skates? ice skates? skis? None of those: in any case, the reasons for the journey, and the musical performance, are more important than the actual mode of transport | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 438 Registered: 8-2005 |
Horses? Horse drawn carriage? (Sorry the method of transport is bugging me!) | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 475 Registered: 3-2006 |
Horses? Horse drawn carriage? YES! (Sorry the method of transport is bugging me!) Be bugged no more! | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 88 Registered: 1-2007 |
Am i right in saying that they won't be playing any music while undertaking this journey? or at their destination? Did the orchestra have a patron? Was it he/she who decided they should take a break from performing? is this a true story? which century did this occur in 16th? 17? 18? 19? 20? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 89 Registered: 1-2007 |
Am i right in saying that they won't be playing any music while undertaking this journey? or at their destination? Did the orchestra have a patron? Was it he/she who decided they should take a break from performing? Are the 2 men who enter the room last also members of the orchestra? is this a true story? which century did this occur in 16th? 17? 18? 19? 20? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 476 Registered: 3-2006 |
Am i right in saying that they won't be playing any music while undertaking this journey? you are right or at their destination? right again Did the orchestra have a patron? yes Was it he/she who decided they should take a break from performing? yes Are the 2 men who enter the room last also members of the orchestra? yes is this a true story? yes which century did this occur in 16th? 17? 18? this one 19? 20? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 101 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is the patron a famous historical figure? a member of royalty? is it important to find out the country that this took place in? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 480 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is the patron a famous historical figure? yes-ish, but a lot less famous than one other person in the puzzle a member of royalty? no is it important to find out the country that this took place in? not hugely, except to give a context | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 440 Registered: 8-2005 |
Did anything unusual happen during their last performance? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 481 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did anything unusual happen during their last performance? yes | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 441 Registered: 8-2005 |
Bit Random but... Was somebody shot? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 482 Registered: 3-2006 |
Bit Random but... Was somebody shot? no! | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 108 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is the more famous person in the Orchestra? is he/she famous as a musician? or some other field? The unusual happening during the performance was it a violent act? done by a member/members of the audience? by member/members of the orchestra? Was the Orchestra the only group performing ? were they part of a variety type perfromance? Is the quality of their performance relevant? ws it well received? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 484 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is the more famous person in the Orchestra? yes is he/she famous as a musician? this or some other field? The unusual happening during the performance was it a violent act? no done by a member/members of the audience? no by member/members of the orchestra? the unusual [and non-violent] thing was done by the musicians Was the Orchestra the only group performing ? yes were they part of a variety type perfromance? no Is the quality of their performance relevant? not really was it well received? it made the desired impression | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 222 Registered: 9-2003 |
anything to do with Bach? Beethoven? Handel? Haydn? Mozart? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 485 Registered: 3-2006 |
anything to do with Bach? Beethoven? Handel? Haydn? yes, this is your man Mozart? no to rest | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 110 Registered: 1-2007 |
Did the patron indicate that he/she could no longer support them financially so they had to look for a new patron? Is their journey to seek new patronage? Was Haydn the man who spoke first in the room? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 486 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did the patron indicate that he/she could no longer support them financially so they had to look for a new patron? no Is their journey to seek new patronage? no Was Haydn the man who spoke first in the room? irrelevant | ||
| Snoozer (Snoozer)
New member Username: Snoozer Post Number: 537 Registered: 1-2007 |
Did Haydn play or conduct his own work, or was he just part of an orchestra that performed another composer's work? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 487 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did Haydn play or conduct his own work, this one or was he just part of an orchestra that performed another composer's work? | ||
| Thestreetdetective (Thestreetdetective)
New member Username: Thestreetdetective Post Number: 12 Registered: 3-2007 |
does this have something to do with the london journeys? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 488 Registered: 3-2006 |
does this have something to do with the london journeys? no | ||
| Sunshine (Sunshine)
New member Username: Sunshine Post Number: 617 Registered: 1-2001 |
Candles? | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 225 Registered: 9-2003 |
did the patron want to remain his patron? did the patron want Haydn to only play for them? is the patron male? did the patron think he/she could make money by making him take a break? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 489 Registered: 3-2006 |
did the patron want to remain his patron? yes did the patron want Haydn to only play for them? irrel is the patron male? yes did the patron think he/she could make money by making him take a break? no Candles? Aha! It seems you know the story. I could spoyle but I wonder if it might be fun to let people work it out laterally for a teeny while longer? Nice hint.  | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 234 Registered: 9-2003 |
candles hmmm is that someones name? or wax candles? did someone light them? Haydn? his patron? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 492 Registered: 3-2006 |
candles hmmm is that someones name? no or wax candles? this one did someone light them? Haydn? his patron? it's not really the lighting of them that's relevant, but ... The candles are a side detail, though. The puzzle can be solved without them. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 124 Registered: 1-2007 |
were the candles lit in protest against the withdrawl of their patronage? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 494 Registered: 3-2006 |
were the candles lit in protest against the withdrawl of their patronage? no: the relationship with the patron is relevant, though, and there is an element of mild protest | ||
| Thestreetdetective (Thestreetdetective)
New member Username: Thestreetdetective Post Number: 19 Registered: 3-2007 |
I think i know whats going on if the answer has something to do with a protest with Prince Nicholas. | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 497 Registered: 3-2006 |
I think i know whats going on if the answer has something to do with a protest with Prince Nicholas. Feel free to spill the beans | ||
| Thestreetdetective (Thestreetdetective)
New member Username: Thestreetdetective Post Number: 22 Registered: 3-2007 |
ok then. In 1772, Prince Nicholas decided to stay at the Esterhazy Castle some extra weeks, and the musicians were unhappy about it so they asked Haydn for some help. He an idea. The symphony had its first performance in front of the Prince, and every musician, when their part was completed, snuffed out the candle on his stand, gathered together his music, and left the stage with his instrument under his arm. At the end, even the conductor exited, leaving only two violinists on the stage playing. The Prince and his friends got the message, and the next day the order arrived saying they would be leaving. | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 500 Registered: 3-2006 |
ok then. In 1772, Prince Nicholas decided to stay at the Esterhazy Castle some extra weeks, and the musicians were unhappy about it so they asked Haydn for some help. He an idea. The symphony had its first performance in front of the Prince, and every musician, when their part was completed, snuffed out the candle on his stand, gathered together his music, and left the stage with his instrument under his arm. At the end, even the conductor exited, leaving only two violinists on the stage playing. The Prince and his friends got the message, and the next day the order arrived saying they would be leaving. Well played! The puzzle is set in the backstage rehearsal room at the first performance of Haydn's "Farewell" Symphony (no.45). Details can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._45_(Haydn) The symphony is always traditionally performed in this way, but normally without the candles. ****SPOILER**** |
