| Author | Message | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 735 Registered: 3-2006 |
It seems that a Jewish seaman has been trading in a particular substance. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 338 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is there a pun involved here? Based on a popular Jewish name for instance like Rothstein or Goldberg? Is there a name of a sailor also in the pun? Popeye? Sinbad? | ||
| Foulglory (Foulglory)
New member Username: Foulglory Post Number: 226 Registered: 1-2007 |
Any crimes involved? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 737 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is there a pun involved here? not quite a pun, but very warm! Based on a popular Jewish name for instance like Rothstein or Goldberg? no Is there a name of a sailor also in the pun? no Popeye? Sinbad? no Any crimes involved? in a vague way, yes | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 89 Registered: 4-2007 |
Dead Sea water? | ||
| Huntinggirl (Huntinggirl)
New member Username: Huntinggirl Post Number: 82 Registered: 1-2006 |
SHould we find out more about the Jewish seaman? About the particular substance? About the trading? About the people he did the trading with? Always assuming that the Jewish seaman was (or is?) in fact a he? Era relevant? Country? Religion? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 739 Registered: 3-2006 |
Dead Sea water? no SHould we find out more about the Jewish seaman? yes About the particular substance? yes About the trading? yes About the people he did the trading with? yes Always assuming that the Jewish seaman was (or is?) in fact a he? irrelevant: it would work for a she Era relevant? yes Country? not really Religion? yes | ||
| Sunshine (Sunshine)
New member Username: Sunshine Post Number: 634 Registered: 1-2001 |
more of a crossword clue than a pun, yes? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 741 Registered: 3-2006 |
more of a crossword clue than a pun, yes? No, but again, in the right neck of the woods. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 344 Registered: 1-2007 |
Any other word for jewish relevant? semite? | ||
| Sunshine (Sunshine)
New member Username: Sunshine Post Number: 637 Registered: 1-2001 |
ksc? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 744 Registered: 3-2006 |
Any other word for jewish relevant? semite? not as such, no ksc? Sorry, don't understand | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1839 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is the Jewish seaman mentioned in the Bible? Was he alive during old testament times? new testament times? this century? today? Is the relevant 'substance' a food? drink? liquid? solid? fuel? powder? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 747 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is the Jewish seaman mentioned in the Bible? no Was he alive during old testament times? no new testament times? no this century? no today? no Is the relevant 'substance' a food? no drink? no liquid? most likely this solid? though this is possible fuel? no powder? and this is also possible | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 926 Registered: 8-2006 |
This looks like fun Relevant that he is Jewish? Would it work if he was in Europe, but not Jewish? Was he sailing like for a tour? fishing? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 751 Registered: 3-2006 |
This looks like fun Thanks! But I should warn you that this puzzle is slightly silly. Relevant that he is Jewish? absolutely Would it work if he was in Europe, but not Jewish? no Was he sailing like for a tour? not really fishing? not this | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 346 Registered: 1-2007 |
Any other word for Sailor in the answer such as Tar? Seaman? Mariner? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 933 Registered: 8-2006 |
Is baptizing relevant? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 350 Registered: 1-2007 |
I can't resist this guess so apologies in advance but this is how my mind works on a sunny friday afternoon Anything to do with Circumcision v Circumnavigation? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 752 Registered: 3-2006 |
Any other word for Sailor in the answer such as Tar? Seaman? Mariner? yopish Is baptizing relevant? nope I can't resist this guess so apologies in advance but this is how my mind works on a sunny friday afternoon Anything to do with Circumcision v Circumnavigation? Hahahah! Sadly not | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 937 Registered: 8-2006 |
Jewish customs relevant? Sabbath things? Unleavened bread? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 756 Registered: 3-2006 |
Jewish customs relevant? no Sabbath things? no Unleavened bread? no | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 939 Registered: 8-2006 |
Title relevant in anyway? Did people ask him to get the items? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 758 Registered: 3-2006 |
Title relevant in anyway? Yes Did people ask him to get the items? You mean the substance? No. | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 940 Registered: 8-2006 |
OK, relevant that he's a seaman? Would this work if he were just, say, a regular guest on a ship bound for the place where he wants to go?Sorry if this doesn't make senes | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 761 Registered: 3-2006 |
OK, relevant that he's a seaman? yes Would this work if he were just, say, a regular guest on a ship bound for the place where he wants to go? no No problem: your questions made perfect sense. | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 952 Registered: 8-2006 |
So any Jewish/Hebrew words relevant? If so, I am out of this one! Anyways, time period...[Insert all centuries 2-21...] | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 769 Registered: 3-2006 |
So any Jewish/Hebrew words relevant? One very common relevant (English) word pertains to Jewishness and is derived from the Hebrew If so, I am out of this one! It's nothing obscure: I don't know a word of Hebrew! Anyways, time period...[Insert all centuries 2-21...] The relevant time period I had in mind is the twentieth century, though earlier periods are also relevant to the story. Beware a possible fa, though. | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 956 Registered: 8-2006 |
Sabbath? Hanukkah? Oh darn, I have one idea in mind, but... I have to dig that up | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 770 Registered: 3-2006 |
Sabbath? Hanukkah? not these Oh darn, I have one idea in mind, but... I have to dig that up | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1256 Registered: 6-2006 |
Synagogue? Kosher? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 771 Registered: 3-2006 |
Synagogue? Kosher? Sorry ... no to both. (This has got me wondering whether albatrosses are kosher.) | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1257 Registered: 6-2006 |
Ok, trying just to think of English words derived from Hebrew, much less common ones... I'm a Jew, so this is really bugging me! Amen? Hallelujah? Israel? Messiah? Rabbi? Torah? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 772 Registered: 3-2006 |
Ok, trying just to think of English words derived from Hebrew, much less common ones... I'm a Jew, so this is really bugging me! And I'm a music lecturer, so you can imagine what the Kreisler puzzle is doing to me!! Amen? Hallelujah? Israel? Messiah? Rabbi? <-- this one will do nicely Torah? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1258 Registered: 6-2006 |
Oh, by the way, albatross is not kosher! | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 961 Registered: 8-2006 |
Was the seaman also a rabbi? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 773 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was the seaman also a rabbi? yes | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 963 Registered: 8-2006 |
So, a seaman/rabbi is trading in a liquid or a powder. Location relevant? If so,[Insert LTPF list of all countries} | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 774 Registered: 3-2006 |
So, a seaman/rabbi is trading in a liquid or a powder. yes Location relevant? not really If so,[Insert LTPF list of all countries} | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 964 Registered: 8-2006 |
Pronounciation of the words seaman and rabbi relevant? Any jewish customs in this puzzle? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 775 Registered: 3-2006 |
Pronounciation of the words seaman no and rabbi yes relevant? Any jewish customs in this puzzle? no | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 965 Registered: 8-2006 |
Rah-Bye? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 776 Registered: 3-2006 |
Rah-Bye? that doesn't appear in the solution, no | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1843 Registered: 1-2001 |
So...a rabbi who is also a sailor has been trading in something - right? Is he selling the "something"? buying it? doing both? acting as a broker? doing something illegal? using a boat? using a ship? is a boat relevant to the solution? if so, is it a specific type? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 779 Registered: 3-2006 |
So...a rabbi who is also a sailor has been trading in something - right? right Is he selling the "something"? yes buying it? no doing both? no acting as a broker? no doing something illegal? no using a boat? see next using a ship? probably this one is a boat relevant to the solution? if so, is it a specific type? types of ships are relevant, yes | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1261 Registered: 6-2006 |
Ok...here's a list of types of ships. I sure hope one or more of these is relevant, or I just wasted a lot of time... Barge Battleship Blockship Brig Brigantine Cargo ship Carrier Catamaran Clipper Container ship Cruise ship Cutter Destroyer Dredging Drekkar Drifter Ferry Flagship Freight liner Frigate Galleon Ghost ship Icebreaker Longship Minesweeper Ocean liner Passenger ship Schooner Steamboat Tanker Trawler Tugboat Warship Whaler Windjammer Yawl | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 968 Registered: 8-2006 |
Chinese Junk? Um.... what is a yawl? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 785 Registered: 3-2006 |
Crazypalpig: I hate to say it, but it is none of the above. | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 787 Registered: 3-2006 |
Beccaann: Sorry, but it is not on the list. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 360 Registered: 1-2007 |
yacht? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 789 Registered: 3-2006 |
yacht? a yacht it is not | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1845 Registered: 1-2001 |
Hard to believe that the type of ship wasn't mentioned in that list - is it by chance a junk? Or is it a specific ship (Titanic, Argo,etc)? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 792 Registered: 3-2006 |
Hard to believe that the type of ship wasn't mentioned in that list - is it by chance a junk? no Or is it a specific ship (Titanic, Argo,etc)? no, not this | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 136 Registered: 4-2007 |
Ships: maybe pirate ship? Barq? Barkentine? Sloop? Could it be a submarine by any chance? Was he transporting something alcoholic? Rum, maybe? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 975 Registered: 8-2006 |
Fishing trawl? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 797 Registered: 3-2006 |
Ships: maybe pirate ship? Ahar! Me hearties! This is not actually the ship mentioned in the solution, but ... explore Barq? Barkentine? Sloop? nothing so obscure or specific Could it be a submarine by any chance? most unlikely Was he transporting something alcoholic? Rum, maybe? no: not a food or drink Fishing trawl? not this | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 981 Registered: 8-2006 |
Great... Pirates of the carribian relevant? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 799 Registered: 3-2006 |
Great... Pirates of the carribian relevant? In a general sense, yes; in the sense of the film, book and series of that name: not at all | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 986 Registered: 8-2006 |
Privateer? Pirates with a letteror marque? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 803 Registered: 3-2006 |
Privateer? Pirates with a letter or marque? No to both: nothing as specific as this. | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 992 Registered: 8-2006 |
Was the Jewish person the captain of the ship? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 809 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was the Jewish person the captain of the ship? no | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1849 Registered: 1-2001 |
Any of the following words relevant - sea? ocean? ship? boat? vessel? trade? buy? sell? sale? sail? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 816 Registered: 3-2006 |
Any of the following words relevant - sea? no ocean? no ship? yes-ish boat? no vessel? no trade? no buy? no sell? yes-ish sale? sail? nifty thinking, but not sail/sale | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1003 Registered: 8-2006 |
Relevant that it is a pirate ship? Any piraty words involved?(Swab the deck, skull and crossbones?} | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 817 Registered: 3-2006 |
Relevant that it is a pirate ship? a pirate ship is not explicitly mentioned in the solution: though a pirate is, and so are (other) types of ships Any piraty words involved?(Swab the deck, skull and crossbones?} Shiver me timbers! No, me hearties. Just a pirate. | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1008 Registered: 8-2006 |
So, words so far... Rabbi, pirate. Does that take care of the "Jewish seaman"? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 830 Registered: 3-2006 |
So, words so far... Rabbi, pirate. Does that take care of the "Jewish seaman"? Good question: yes. The Rabbi IS the pirate. Unusual combination of jobs, but hey. Perhaps time for a *** RECAP *** A rabbi, who also happens to be a pirate, apparently sold a substance (probably a liquid but not a drink) to someone. Certain types of ships are also involved. The title is relevant, and this might be worth exploring a little more. Pronunication of words is also relevant. Try not to google from here on in. | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1011 Registered: 8-2006 |
I have no clue of any other types of pirate ships are but I think someone missed man-of-war. Canoe?(Can you?) Kayak? The relevant substance: Used for cooking? Used for greasing? cleansing? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 837 Registered: 3-2006 |
I have no clue of any other types of pirate ships are but I think someone missed man-of-war. Canoe?(Can you?) Kayak? Not these, and not pirate ships. Remember that trading is involved. The relevant substance: Used for cooking? rarely Used for greasing? cleansing? no to rest | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 162 Registered: 4-2007 |
is the word "skullcap" relevant? (I'm thinking of its relationship to the term, skull and crossbones) As a pirate rabbi, he could wear his skullcap! | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 839 Registered: 3-2006 |
is the word "skullcap" relevant? (I'm thinking of its relationship to the term, skull and crossbones) As a pirate rabbi, he could wear his skullcap! Aaaah that's brilliant: I am sure our piratical rabbi would wear one of those. That's better than the real solution, but unfortunately you're in the wrong stretch of ocean altogether :-( | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1017 Registered: 8-2006 |
Trading ships. Freighter? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 841 Registered: 3-2006 |
Trading ships. Yes: this sort of thing Freighter? rather than this | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1853 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is the rabbi's name relevant? If so, his actual name? Or like a pirate's name (e.g. Redbeard)? Do any Yiddish words or phrases play a part? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 844 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is the rabbi's name relevant? no: all that matters is that he is a rabbi If so, his actual name? no Or like a pirate's name (e.g. Redbeard)? no Do any Yiddish words or phrases play a part? no | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1854 Registered: 1-2001 |
Allright - is the substance used for fuel? is it partially made up of water? entirely water? no water? Is the substance's use important, or more the name of it? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 848 Registered: 3-2006 |
Allright - is the substance used for fuel? no is it partially made up of water? it might be entirely water? no no water? again, it might be this Is the substance's use important, or more the name of it? the puzzle hinges on the name of it rather than the use of it ... this being more of a verbal than a situational puzzle | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 164 Registered: 4-2007 |
is the substance used as ammunition? it was stated that the substance was most likely a liquid, but it could possibly be a solid or a powder...does it come in various forms? is it usually a liquid but also can come in those other forms? or can the substance change into different forms through heat/chemicals/other? total guess--could it possibly be molten steel (a liquid) but when it is turned into a blade, it is a solid? | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 119 Registered: 4-2007 |
So this particular substance is water soluble and can be transported as liquid ( or rather water-based solution ), a solid ( when all water is evaporated ), or as a powder? Rubber? By ship type do you mean type of construction or the current use of the vessel? Merchantman? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 849 Registered: 3-2006 |
is the substance used as ammunition? no it was stated that the substance was most likely a liquid, but it could possibly be a solid or a powder...does it come in various forms? yes: there are various sorts of it is it usually a liquid but also can come in those other forms? or can the substance change into different forms through heat/chemicals/other? either of those, as it's quite a general class of substances total guess--could it possibly be molten steel (a liquid) but when it is turned into a blade, it is a solid? nice thinking, but no So this particular substance is water soluble and can be transported as liquid ( or rather water-based solution ), a solid ( when all water is evaporated ), or as a powder? again, any of those Rubber? no By ship type do you mean type of construction or the current use of the vessel? this Merchantman? Yes: they are merchant vessels | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1282 Registered: 6-2006 |
Hmm...things that can be solid, liquid or powder.... drugs? soap/detergent? heh heh...detergent...does he want to deter or detour gentiles? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1283 Registered: 6-2006 |
is the ship a coaster? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1856 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is the substance paint? glue? I have a feeling that the solution is going to be some kind of silly sentence, like "The pirate rabbi sells a subtance to people who use it", only it will be worded in a humorous way - is this the idea? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1857 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is the substance identified by a brand name, like Clorox? Or by category, like bleach? Is it used by everyone? By humans? By people of certain ethnicity? People in certain geographical areas? Children? Adults? Babies? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 851 Registered: 3-2006 |
Hmm...things that can be solid, liquid or powder.... drugs? no soap/detergent? no heh heh...detergent...does he want to deter or detour gentiles? Heheh ... no, but that sort of punny thinking is the right way to go is the ship a coaster? no. You don't need any more information about the ships Is the substance paint? no, but ... glue? no I have a feeling that the solution is going to be some kind of silly sentence, like "The pirate rabbi sells a subtance to people who use it", only it will be worded in a humorous way - is this the idea? Yes! Exactly this. And you have nearly all the important words of the puzzle. But nobody has come close to the overall idea, which would explain the title. Is the substance identified by a brand name, like Clorox? Or by category, like bleach? \b(this) Is it used by everyone? it is a component of many, many things By humans? yes By people of certain ethnicity? People in certain geographical areas? Children? Adults? Babies? none of these, though the idea of people of a certain ethnicity and in a certain area is not entirely irrelevant, in an entirely different way. | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1860 Registered: 1-2001 |
Dye? Tint? Something that adds color to something else? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 327 Registered: 4-2007 |
Ink? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1861 Registered: 1-2001 |
And as far as the title goes, the word "buy" could be related (someone would 'request' to buy something, and/or "buy" rhymes with "by")...is this part of the statement? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 860 Registered: 3-2006 |
Dye? Yes Tint? Something that adds color to something else? Ink? which would include all these, but the substance is specifically dye And as far as the title goes, the word "buy" could be related (someone would 'request' to buy something, and/or "buy" rhymes with "by")...is this part of the statement? nothing like this: the title is not cryptic in any way | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1862 Registered: 1-2001 |
Allright, then. I believe there was mention earlier of the relevance of those to whom this rabbi is selling the substance that we have identified - are they residents of a certain country? Fellow seamen? Pirates? Merchants? Other rabbis? Other jewish people? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 861 Registered: 3-2006 |
Allright, then. I believe there was mention earlier of the relevance of those to whom this rabbi is selling the substance that we have identified - are they residents of a certain country? Fellow seamen? this Pirates? Merchants? and this Other rabbis? Other jewish people? the rest are irrelevant | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1863 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is it relevant to know where he's trading - Atlantic Ocean, Sea of Galilee, Red Sea, Lake Genesarret, etc? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 862 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is it relevant to know where he's trading - Atlantic Ocean, Sea of Galilee, Red Sea, Lake Genesarret, etc? no | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 330 Registered: 4-2007 |
Any puns on the wod "dye" involved? Perhaps dye/die? Any puns on words connected to dye? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 863 Registered: 3-2006 |
Any puns on the wod "dye" involved? Not quite a pun as such, but something very similar, based on pronunciation of words. Perhaps dye/die? not this. Any puns on words connected to dye? no: the word 'dye' is what matters | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 170 Registered: 4-2007 |
Are we thinking about different ways to pronounce "dye"? Maybe pronounced "day"? (Did the rabbi pirate say to the merchants, "have a good dye," and it came out, "have a good day?" To which the merchants responded, "thanks, we will." And they were forced to buy the dye?) So, we are definitely focusing on the word "dye," right--no trying to figure out different types of dye (tie die, henna, varnish, etc), correct? And, the merchants did not ask the rabbi pirate to get the items, correct? Did he request that the merchants buy the substance? force them to buy the substance? was the rabbi pirate trying to get rid of the substance so he would not be caught with it? | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 122 Registered: 4-2007 |
If the dye was traded "by request", was it "ordered"? Is it relevant that "dye" and "rabbi" rhyme? Are mnemonics involved? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 377 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is the word Pyrite relevant? as in Iron Pyrite or Fool's gold. | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 865 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are we thinking about different ways to pronounce "dye"? among other words, yes Maybe pronounced "day"? no (Did the rabbi pirate say to the merchants, "have a good dye," and it came out, "have a good day?" To which the merchants responded, "thanks, we will." And they were forced to buy the dye?) Hehe ... that would work for Australian sailors I suppose. It's completely wrong but the type of thinking is quite right So, we are definitely focusing on the word "dye," right--no trying to figure out different types of dye (tie die, henna, varnish, etc), correct? that's right, among other words And, the merchants did not ask the rabbi pirate to get the items, correct? they may well have done, but this is irrelevant I'm afraid Did he request that the merchants buy the substance? again irrel force them to buy the substance? again, irrel was the rabbi pirate trying to get rid of the substance so he would not be caught with it? no, nothing like this If the dye was traded "by request", was it "ordered"? it wasn't traded by request Is it relevant that "dye" and "rabbi" rhyme? hmmm .... VERY vaguely, I suppose Are mnemonics involved? no, but excellent thinking Is the word Pyrite relevant? as in Iron Pyrite or Fool's gold. all that glisters ... nope | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1865 Registered: 1-2001 |
In the statement we're all trying desperately to decipher, is "dye" pronounced like "die"? Or some other way? Does the pronunciation or sound of any other word matter? If so...pirate? rabbi? trade? buy? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 870 Registered: 3-2006 |
In the statement we're all trying desperately to decipher, is "dye" pronounced like "die"? Or some other way? it is pronounced like "die" Does the pronunciation or sound of any other word matter? yes If so...pirate? the word pirate features in the solution, but ... rabbi? ... this one is more central to the theme of the puzzle trade? buy? not these at all | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 175 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did the merchants know he was a pirate? Did he say, "would you like dye" and they thought he said, "would you like to die?" Does the other word/pronunciation have anything to do with another type of dye or something related? if so: henna? varnish? rosin? enamel? paint? turpentine? mineral spirits? brush? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 872 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did the merchants know he was a pirate? irrel Did he say, "would you like dye" and they thought he said, "would you like to die?" No: the word "die" is not relevant at all. Does the other word/pronunciation have anything to do with another type of dye or something related? if so: henna? varnish? rosin? enamel? paint? turpentine? mineral spirits? brush? Nothing like this. | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1031 Registered: 8-2006 |
So, as a recap, a pirate/Rabbi was selling Dye. And, the pronounciation of these capalized words are all relevant? Rabbidie. Nothing there... | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1868 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is it relevant or helpful to know what the buyers want to do with the dye? As far as the pronunciation of "rabbi", would it most likely be pronounced (for the purposes of the target statement): rob-bye rab-bye robby rabby rib-eye some other way? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 873 Registered: 3-2006 |
So, as a recap, a pirate/Rabbi was selling Dye. And, the pronounciation of these capalized words are all relevant? Indeedy-doody Rabbidie. Nothing there... Is it relevant or helpful to know what the buyers want to do with the dye? not at all As far as the pronunciation of "rabbi", would it most likely be pronounced (for the purposes of the target statement): it depends on one's accent, but ... rob-bye this is closest and the most useful: you're closing in! rab-bye robby rabby rib-eye yum! but no some other way? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1033 Registered: 8-2006 |
Oh, so Pirate is relevant because he robbed someone then went bye-bye? ;-) | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 874 Registered: 3-2006 |
Oh, so Pirate is relevant because he robbed someone it's relevant that pirates rob people, certainly then went bye-bye? ;-) but not this | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1870 Registered: 1-2001 |
Aha! I'm closing in now...much like a person closes in on the corner of a piece of furniture in a dark room, only to smash their littlest toe! "A rabbi (does something) with dye..." hmmm...would we get the impression from the statement that he's a pirate? or that people think/thought that he is/was? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 875 Registered: 3-2006 |
Aha! I'm closing in now...much like a person closes in on the corner of a piece of furniture in a dark room, only to smash their littlest toe! This sums up beautifully how I feel on the LTPF, most of the time "A rabbi (does something) with dye..." hmmm...would we get the impression from the statement that he's a pirate? sure or that people think/thought that he is/was? This too. Certainly the puzzle has a lot to do with what people think. The first three words of the puzzle statement might help. | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1871 Registered: 1-2001 |
So would someone read the statement and falsely assume that he's a pirate (even though it's probably meant to be silly anyway)? Anything else about pirates relevant? like eye patches? beards? peg legs? parrots? hooks? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 878 Registered: 3-2006 |
So would someone read the statement and falsely assume that he's a pirate (even though it's probably meant to be silly anyway)? No-ish, but this is very hard to answer. This is really about pronunciation rather than reading. Anything else about pirates relevant? like eye patches? beards? peg legs? parrots? hooks? nothing whatsoever | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 177 Registered: 4-2007 |
I'm stumped! But I'll try again... did the pirate rabbi (rob-eye) rob dye? Any rhymes like this? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 880 Registered: 3-2006 |
I'm stumped! But I'll try again... did the pirate rabbi (rob-eye) rob dye? he didn't, but ... Any rhymes like this? ... this sort of phonetic approximation is exactly what's going on here. You need to discover the context within which this makes sense. If you're really stuck, the title should help. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 406 Registered: 1-2007 |
This has to be the most infutiating but fun puzzle we've seen in ages :o) . To get away from Ayes, Pyes and Dyes for a second is the sentence that provides the solution well known? e.g. is it the name of or a line from a film? song? book? play? poem?. Is it an advertising slogan? or is it a random sentence that you have made up which can convey the jewish pirate scenario if pronounced differently? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 884 Registered: 3-2006 |
This has to be the most infutiating but fun puzzle we've seen in ages :o) I thought you had it on your very first question, but it seems I created a monster. To get away from Ayes, Pyes and Dyes for a second is the sentence that provides the solution well known? yes-ish: see below e.g. is it the name of or a line from a film? not this but ... song? this! nicely done book? play? poem? no to these. Is it an advertising slogan? or is it a random sentence that you have made up which can convey the jewish pirate scenario if pronounced differently? it's a veritable toe-curler, and if I'd made it up I would be ashamed: I certainly wouldn't share it with the world | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 178 Registered: 4-2007 |
ok...I'm trying to go a different route, so hopefully I am not way off base...I am thinking that "the request" was for a song to be played? request on the radio? for someone? request to get music illegally? I know we have been talking about ships, pirates, etc...are we dealing with a real pirate here, or could we possibly be dealing with the pirating of music? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 409 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is it a pop/rock , Country & Western? Jazz? Classical? Opera? When was the song released 50s? 60s? 70s? 80s? 90s? later? earlier? Was it by a band/group? solo? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 886 Registered: 3-2006 |
ok...I'm trying to go a different route, so hopefully I am not way off base...I am thinking that "the request" was for a song to be played? no request on the radio? no, but nice thinking for someone? request to get music illegally? not this ... see below I know we have been talking about ships, pirates, etc...are we dealing with a real pirate here, or could we possibly be dealing with the pirating of music? another excellent thought, but no Is it a pop/rock , Country & Western? Jazz? Classical? Opera? I think it would be filed under pop/rock, though it certainly isn't what you'd call a pop song When was the song released 50s? 60s? 70s? 80s? This! I can now reveal that the title refers to your request a few hours before I posted the puzzle ... 'more 80s music puzzles, please'. ;-) 90s? later? earlier? Was it by a band/group? solo? this | ||
| Lshooter3k (Lshooter3k)
New member Username: Lshooter3k Post Number: 8 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is this to do with the lyrics in a song? and if so, is it a confusion of the actual lyrics? | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 179 Registered: 4-2007 |
singer--m?f? always solo or had this person ever been with a group/band? singer only in 80s? were they singing before this? in 90s? still singing today? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1036 Registered: 8-2006 |
Anywho, to continue with the ryhming attack... bye? buy? sigh? fie? guy? hi? i? lie? my? pi? I just had a complete guess that I just got from my list... Pirates rob the ship but don't buy? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 378 Registered: 4-2007 |
Please forgive my total and utter ignorance of 80s music...I don't even know when this was written, but I remember that song with the guy singing "My israelites" and it sounds like "My ears are alight" (I think someone wrote a funny version of it with all the words changed) is this relevnt? (Just thinking Jews...Israelites...) | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 887 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is this to do with the lyrics in a song? yes and if so, is it a confusion of the actual lyrics? precisely so singer--m?f? male always solo or had this person ever been with a group/band? he had a band singer only in 80s? no were they singing before this?yes in 90s? no still singing today? no | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 180 Registered: 4-2007 |
I don't want to google, so this is all guess (I love the 80s, but I'm terrible with names and remembering songs). OK--just a few... Was there a Rob from Thompson twins--is this the guy? Matthew Wilder--I remember he had a song about a boat to China, I believe. Thomas Dolby? Howard Jones? So, we should think of mistaken lyrics...that remind us of a jewish rabbi pirate? have the word/sound dye in it? does it have the phrase "rob, I die" in it? just trying to get all my ducks in a row! | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 888 Registered: 3-2006 |
Anywho, to continue with the ryhming attack... bye? buy? sigh? fie? guy? hi? i? <- this word is relevant lie? my? pi? not 100% sure what you're asking: there are two relevant lines from a song but they don't actually rhyme I just had a complete guess that I just got from my list... Pirates rob the ship but don't buy? not this Please forgive my total and utter ignorance of 80s music... LOL you are forgiven. It's not really my favourite era either I don't even know when this was written, but I remember that song with the guy singing "My israelites" and it sounds like "My ears are alight" (I think someone wrote a funny version of it with all the words changed) is this relevnt? very right thinking: this is not a deliberate parody of the song but ... (Just thinking Jews...Israelites...) VERY close, but wrong song. I think that one was in the late 60s. This one is early 80s, and equally famous. If you don't know it, you could probably work it out from here. The slight trick is that the original song doesn't use regular English syntax, hence the confusion ... | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 889 Registered: 3-2006 |
I don't want to google, so this is all guess (I love the 80s, but I'm terrible with names and remembering songs). OK--just a few... Was there a Rob from Thompson twins--is this the guy? Matthew Wilder--I remember he had a song about a boat to China, I believe. Thomas Dolby? Howard Jones? No: a rather more serious and spiritual songwriter than any of those: think of a distinctive accent and non-standard English grammar So, we should think of mistaken lyrics Yes! Popularly misheard lyrics. I believe that the term for this is a "mondegreen", after someone mistook "And laid him on the green" for "And Lady Mondegreen". A true mondegreen should be a genuine mishearing rather than a contrived pun. ...that remind us of a jewish rabbi pirate? exactly! have the word/sound dye in it? yes-ish does it have the phrase "rob, I die" in it? just trying to get all my ducks in a row! so close! not "die" | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 410 Registered: 1-2007 |
Darn I knew this was going to end up an 80's music puzzle. Is the singer actually english or is he not a native english speaker therefore his words are open to misinterpretation. | ||
| Lshooter3k (Lshooter3k)
New member Username: Lshooter3k Post Number: 9 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is this a song by a reggae singer? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 411 Registered: 1-2007 |
Sorry just a thought . Is the singer no longer singing because he's dead. John Lennon, Marvin Gaye, Bob Marley, | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 181 Registered: 4-2007 |
is part of the misheard lyric possibly "rob, I buy?" (since we are talking about selling/trading). | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 890 Registered: 3-2006 |
Darn I knew this was going to end up an 80's music puzzle. Is the singer actually english no or is he not a native english speaker therefore his words are open to misinterpretation. but he was a native English speaker Is this a song by a reggae singer? Yes Sorry just a thought . Is the singer no longer singing because he's dead. Indeed John Lennon, Marvin Gaye, Bob Marley, YES is part of the misheard lyric possibly "rob, I buy?" (since we are talking about selling/trading). no, not "buy" | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1039 Registered: 8-2006 |
rob, i dye...? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 891 Registered: 3-2006 |
rob, i dye...? not quite | ||
| Lshooter3k (Lshooter3k)
New member Username: Lshooter3k Post Number: 10 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is the rabbi pirate doing the selling? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 892 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is the rabbi pirate doing the selling? yes | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 182 Registered: 4-2007 |
so, does the real lyric involve the words "rob, I"? does the real lyric involve the word "rabbi"? does the misheard lyric involve the words "rob, I" does the misheard lyric involve the word "rabbi"? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 893 Registered: 3-2006 |
so, does the real lyric involve the words "rob, I"? yes but without the comma does the real lyric involve the word "rabbi"? no does the misheard lyric involve the words "rob, I" no does the misheard lyric involve the word "rabbi"? yes | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1873 Registered: 1-2001 |
I may have to watch from the sidelines from now on, as I know absolutely NO lyrics by Bob Marley. I'm sure that once they are revealed I'll recognize it, but nothing rings a bell at this point. Is the word "die" being misunderstood as "dye"? Or another word that sounds like "dye", especially with regards to trading? | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 183 Registered: 4-2007 |
is the phrase "Rob I" in the middle, beginning, end of song lyric we are trying to figure out? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 894 Registered: 3-2006 |
I may have to watch from the sidelines from now on, as I know absolutely NO lyrics by Bob Marley. I'm sure that once they are revealed I'll recognize it, but nothing rings a bell at this point. Is the word "die" being misunderstood as "dye"? Or another word that sounds like "dye", especially with regards to trading? the end of one word and the whole of another, taken together, sound like "dye" is the phrase "Rob I" in the middle, beginning, end of song lyric we are trying to figure out? "rob I" are the last two words of the first line: in Standard English this would be "rob me". You may just want to guess where the dye fits in, and then I'll spoyl. The pirate(s) and merchant ships are common to both the real and the misheard version. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 412 Registered: 1-2007 |
Fortunately I love Bob Marley. The song is Redemption Song and the relevant lines are : Old Pirates yes they Rob I Sold I to the Merchant Ships. Should have gotten that much quicker. Great puzzle Woodworm I guess my next puzzle will be have to be an 80's one. | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 895 Registered: 3-2006 |
*** SPOILER *** See Peter's perfect answer above. The popular mishearing is: Well, the pirate's just a rabbi Sold dye to the merchant ships. It sounds very similar, especially in Bob Marley's Jamaican creole. In fact, mishearing it as "rabbi" is so common that there is apparently even a Jewish club somewhere in the US where everyone sings the rabbi version. I don't think I'll be able to hear the song again without thinking of rabbis. Congrats Peter for getting the song, and congrats to everyone who made huge progress in the puzzle without even knowing the song. For more mondegreens, there is a site dedicated to them, called www.kissthisguy.com | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 184 Registered: 4-2007 |
Very good puzzle. When you said it was close to a pun I thought it would be a "groaner," but this was rather clever. I actually do have a copy of Bob Marley and the Wailers Greatest Hits that I bought for my husband last year. I looked, and Redemption is on it. I'll have to listen to it! | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1876 Registered: 1-2001 |
Well we owe it to Peter for bailing us out! This one had me chuckling, and inspired me for an upcoming puzzle (but I'll wait until Peter puts his 80's music puzzle up first). I'm on the lookout for pirates who don't trim their hair or beards! | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 416 Registered: 1-2007 |
Don't wait for me . I have two on the go at the moment and will wait till they're solved before starting a new one. |
