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Superman (Superman)
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Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 2:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Carl's insistence on a luxurious breakfast cost a life and ruined two others.
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Carl: H? A? M?

Was it his life? was the life one of a person?
Did he ruin 2 other lives?
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He insisted you said. Does he actually have a luxurious breakfast? or not?

Occur once? several times? every day?

Relevant where he eats his breakfast?
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Does he demand any of the following:

Champagne?
Buck's fizz?
Caviare?
Smoked salmon?
Organic milk?
Free-range eggs?
One of those expensive china teas?
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Carl: H? A? M? Yes to all

Was it his life? YES was the life one of a person?
Did he ruin 2 other lives? YES

He insisted you said. Does he actually have a luxurious breakfast? YESish or not?

Occur once? YES several times? every day? or possibly YES

Relevant where he eats his breakfast? YES

Does he demand any of the following:

Champagne?
Buck's fizz?
Caviare?
Smoked salmon?
Organic milk?
Free-range eggs?
One of those expensive china teas? Perhaps to all, but none of these items are relevant
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Does he eat his breakfast at home? in a cafe? restaurant? hotel? outdoors?

Relevant if someone is serving him the breakfast or he is making it himself?
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Is the cause of his death:
poisoning?
choking?
a violent reaction of another person?
a less direct cause, like heart attack?

Does "luxurious" refer to the types and cost of food, or does it also include the environment where he eats his breakfast?

Is it one particular ( last ) meal that caused the death and ruined two lives, or is it more of a habit that leads to these events?

Were the lives ruined because of Carl's death, or were there other causes?
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Is the cause of his death:
poisoning? NO
choking? NO
a violent reaction of another person? NO
a less direct cause, like heart attack? YES

Does "luxurious" refer to the types and cost of food, or does it also include the environment where he eats his breakfast? Environment

Is it one particular ( last ) meal that caused the death and ruined two lives YES, or is it more of a habit that leads to these events? NO

Were the lives ruined because of Carl's death, or were there other causes? Other causes
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You forgot my questions. Pleeeease?
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are the other 2 people adults? male?

do they witness Carls death? try to save him? do they have any relevant interaction with Carl before his death? during? with his body after he is dead?

do the 2 people know each other? are they friends? family?
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Does he eat his breakfast at home? YES in a cafe? restaurant? hotel? outdoors?

Relevant if someone is serving him the breakfast or he is making it himself? He makes it himself

are the other 2 people adults? male? YES to both

do they witness Carls death? NO try to save him? do they have any relevant interaction with Carl before his death? NO during? NO with his body after he is dead? NO

do the 2 people know each other? YES are they friends? NOish family? NO
Superman (Superman)
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By the by, my 'Extraordinary Event' puzzles hasn't seen much traffic ... PLEEEASE have a look, you're closer than ever to solving it!
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are the 2 people colleagues? are their jobs relevant?

just to double check it wasn't my wording - does one of them witness his death? try to save him? do either of them have relevant interaction with Carl before his death? during? after?
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Is Carls job relevant? or the job of the two further persons? are they colleagues?
Would the puzzle work with a lunch or a dinner?
Regarding the things he ate and drank, is there anything particulary relevant?
Are the dishes? cutlery? furniture? relevant?
Is there any relevant process in the making of the breakfast?
Is he making and having his breakfast on his own? with 1? 2? .. more people? Is anyone else around (not making or having breakfast)?
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are the 2 people colleagues? NO are their jobs relevant? One is

just to double check it wasn't my wording - does one of them witness his death? NO try to save him? NO do either of them have relevant interaction with Carl before his death? NO during? NO after? NO

Is Carls job relevant? NO or the job of the two further persons? ^^ are they colleagues? ^^
Would the puzzle work with a lunch or a dinner? Far less likely
Regarding the things he ate and drank, is there anything particulary relevant? YES
Are the dishes? cutlery? furniture? relevant? NO
Is there any relevant process in the making of the breakfast? YES
Is he making and having his breakfast on his own? YES with 1? 2? .. more people? Is anyone else around (not making or having breakfast)?No relevants
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The one whose job is relevant, is it:
Education/teaching?
medicine/health?
IT?
retail?
sales?
tradesman?
entertainer?
artist?
law?
law enforcement?
military?
bank/finance?
receptionist/office administration?
management?
transport?
construction?
farmer/fisherman?
seaman?
clown/magician?
circus artist?
postal services?
criminal?

Is the way their liveswere ruined:
Someone they loved died? Or was badly injured?
They were injured?
They lost money?
Their careers were ruined?
They lost property?
Other?
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The relevant thing he ate or drank:
coffee? tea? milk? juice? toast? bread? pastries? jam? honey? butter? cereals? fruits? eggs? ham? tomatos? sausages?
something warm? cold? to drink? to eat?
Did he actually consume this item? or only prepare it?
Did he use a cooker to make breakfast? some technical kitchen equipment? some other tool?
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The one whose job is relevant, is it:
Education/teaching?
medicine/health?
IT?
retail?
sales?
tradesman?
entertainer?
artist?
law? YES
law enforcement?
military?
bank/finance?
receptionist/office administration?
management?
transport?
construction?
farmer/fisherman?
seaman?
clown/magician?
circus artist?
postal services?
criminal?

Is the way their liveswere ruined:
Someone they loved died? Or was badly injured?
They were injured?
They lost money?
Their careers were ruined? YESish to one
They lost property?
Other? YES to the other

The relevant thing he ate or drank:
coffee? tea? milk? juice? toast? YES bread? pastries? jam? honey? butter? cereals? fruits? eggs? ham? tomatos? sausages?
something warm? cold? to drink? to eat?
Did he actually consume this item? or only prepare it? He just prepared it
Did he use a cooker to make breakfast? YESish some technical kitchen equipment? NO some other tool? NO
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The yesish cooker: was it a toaster? Is the reason he didn't eat the toast because he died before he could? Or some other reason?
The one who worked in law, were they a solicitor? A barrister? Judge? Was it this person whose career was yesishly ruined, or the other one?
Are the genders of the other two people relevant? If so, Male? Female?
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The yesish cooker: was it a toaster? YES Is the reason he didn't eat the toast because he died before he could? YES Or some other reason?
The one who worked in law, were they a solicitor? A barrister? YES Judge? Was it this person whose career was yesishly ruined, or the other one? The barrister's
Are the genders of the other two people relevant? If so, Male? YES to both Female?
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Was there a problem with the toaster? say Carl got an electric shock? did he die as a consequence of something about the toaster?
Was there a lawsuit in consequence of Carl's death? Did the barrister lose it?
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Did the toaster break, and Carl tried fixing it was silverware??*GASP*
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Was there a problem with the toaster? NO say Carl got an electric shock? YES did he die as a consequence of something about the toaster? Yesish -- see last ?
Was there a lawsuit in consequence of Carl's death? NO Did the barrister lose it? NO

Did the toaster break, and Carl tried fixing it was silverware??*GASP* NO, but that would have been good !!
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So the toaster was working OK? did the toasts burn? were they jammed in the toaster?
Did Carl open the toaster? Put something into it, say a knife?
Did he die as a consequence of the electric shock?
Was the life of the others ruined: at once? hours? days? months? years? after?
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Was the barristers's career ruined because he lost a court case? Did something else bad happen to him, the repercussions being that his career was ruined? Are any crimes involved in this? Was one of the two men whose lives were arrested? Was it suspected that one of them killed the man?
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So the toaster was working OK? YES did the toasts burn? NOish were they jammed in the toaster? NO
Did Carl open the toaster? NO Put something into it, say a knife? NO
Did he die as a consequence of the electric shock? YES
Was the life of the others ruined: at once? YES hours? days? months? years? after?

Was the barristers's career ruined because he lost a court case? YES Did something else bad happen to him, the repercussions being that his career was ruined? NO Are any crimes involved in this? YES Was one of the two men whose lives were arrested? YES Was it suspected that one of them killed the man? NO
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a bit off the wall, but i must say im curious, was he preparing his breakfast in the kitchen?
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Carl put the toasts into the toaster? he switched it on? he waited? the toasts came out? they had the color he wanted? he put them on a plate? he took the plate to the place where he wanted to eat them? he put butter etc. on them? he started to eat them?
Did he get an electric shock from the toaster?
Did the barrister need Carl, say as a witness?
The crime involved in this:
pickpocketing? stealing?
burglary? black market?
murder? assault?
accidental killing?
smuggling?
traitor? deserter? spying?
kidnapping? arson?
destroying property?
poacher? disrupting the peace?
traffic offence?
libel? perjury?
Other?
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Was the barrister defending the other man whose life was ruined? Then he lost so the barrister's life was rined because he had lost, and the secind man's life was ruined because he was sent to jail? Or was the barrister prosecuting someone ans failed to convict them? You say their lives were ruined at once, so was the court case happening while Carl was making breakfast and dying?
Is it relevant that he was electrocuted with a toaster, or would any situation in which he died work?
Was there any suspicion that Carl's death was not an accident?
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Is criminal negligence relevant? Did anyone claim that the toaster was dangerous? Was one of the men responsible for making or wiring the toaster? Was one of the men responsible for writing the instructions on the toaster? Did Carl insert some sort of substance into the toaster (other than bread)? Did Carl misinterpret any instructions accompanying the toaster?
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a bit off the wall, but i must say im curious, was he preparing his breakfast in the kitchen? NO

Carl put the toasts into the toaster? YES he switched it on? YES he waited? YES the toasts came out? Irr they had the color he wanted? Probably not he put them on a plate? NO he took the plate to the place where he wanted to eat them? NO he put butter etc. on them? NO he started to eat them? NO
Did he get an electric shock from the toaster? YES
Did the barrister need Carl, say as a witness? NO
The crime involved in this:
pickpocketing? stealing?
burglary? black market?
murder? assault?
accidental killing?
smuggling?
traitor? deserter? spying?
kidnapping? arson?
destroying property?
poacher? disrupting the peace?
traffic offence?
libel? perjury?
Other? YES

Was the barrister defending the other man whose life was ruined? YES Then he lost so the barrister's life was rined because he had lost A bit more than just that he lost, and the secind man's life was ruined because he was sent to jail? YES Or was the barrister prosecuting someone ans failed to convict them? You say their lives were ruined at once, so was the court case happening while Carl was making breakfast and dying? YESish
Is it relevant that he was electrocuted with a toaster, or would any situation in which he died work? Well, this is one of a few that could work ... probably others
Was there any suspicion that Carl's death was not an accident? NO

Is criminal negligence relevant? NO Did anyone claim that the toaster was dangerous? Irr Was one of the men responsible for making or wiring the toaster? NO Was one of the men responsible for writing the instructions on the toaster? NO Did Carl insert some sort of substance into the toaster (other than bread)? NO Did Carl misinterpret any instructions accompanying the toaster? NO
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Is the room where Carl prepared the breakfast relevant? The bathroom? Was Carl having a bath and the toaster fell into water? or something in this direction? Did water cause the electric shock?
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Is the room where Carl prepared the breakfast relevant? YES The bathroom? YES Was Carl having a bath and the toaster fell into water? YES or something in this direction? Did water cause the electric shock? YES
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i knew it! : )

do the barrister and the carl live in an apartment building? did the toaster blow a fuse (or trip a circut breaker, or whatever other electrical not-goodness--i have no idea how that stuff works)? and the power went out in part of the building? was the barrister using a computer by any chance? and lost a document? or failed to obtain certain necessary information in time? thereby costing him the case, and by extension his professional reputation?
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do the barrister and the carl live in an apartment building? did the toaster blow a fuse (or trip a circut breaker, or whatever other electrical not-goodness--i have no idea how that stuff works)? and the power went out in part of the building? was the barrister using a computer by any chance? and lost a document? or failed to obtain certain necessary information in time? thereby costing him the case, and by extension his professional reputation? This is close enough for a
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SPOILER :

Carl was taking his breakfast in the bathtub with toaster propped nearby. Somehow, he knocked the toaster into the bath, electrocuting himself and blowing the power for his grid. The barrister was, at the time, defending a client who was accused of computer-related fraud of some irrelevant sort, when he finally found evidence on the accused's computer that would prove his client to be not guilty -- until the power surge. The hard disk was fried by the surge, destroying the only evidence in the client's favour ... so the client was convicted and imprisoned (his life) and the barrister always knew about the evidence that would have saved his most unlucky man ...


Wow, sorry this was so easy. I have a new (harder) puzzle at page bottom.
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The puzzle was not so easy. The puzzlers were just so damn good...
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agreed. it was a beautiful puzzle superman, i had a lot of fun working on it. ^_^
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Well, thanks ... I have a harder one near the top of the page ... and also a new one

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