[Tsoram1970] A challenge

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Author Message Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 824 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 1:41 pm:        Alas! Alack! A Woe! A challenge oh so low, And so and so and so, Click here to begin to know! Noobdogg (Noobdogg) New member Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 336 Registered: 9-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 2:06 pm:        Click there Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 825 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 2:10 pm:        Noobdogg: Click there FA! Oh I loved doing that! Noobdogg (Noobdogg) New member Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 338 Registered: 9-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 2:16 pm:        LoL... thought as much ;-) Is the puzzle about figuring out what the challenge is? Or is the puzzle the challenge itself? Is the 'poet' h?a?m? a real person? Is this a weighted poem? one of those lateral adventures we enjoy? or just another puzzle we have to figure out? or a new type altogether cooked up by Waddell inc.? Is it significant that the 'W' in "Woe" is capitalized? Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 826 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 2:48 pm:        Noobdogg: LoL... thought as much ;-)Ever happy to oblige *bows* Is the puzzle about figuring out what the challenge is?Sort of Or is the puzzle the challenge itself?No Is the 'poet' h?a?m?yes to all a real person? yes to all Is this a weighted poem?The puzzle statement is a certified weightless poem by yours treuly...the only aspect of weight involves the fact that it serves as my puzzle statement! one of those lateral adventures we enjoy?No, more along the lines of a traditional lateral puzzle... I don't go in much for the adventures etc or just another puzzle we have to figure out?correct however there is a wee twist which you will discover as we progress or a new type altogether cooked up by Waddell inc.? a tad more cryptic than my usual offerings and yet... Is it significant that the 'W' in "Woe" is capitalized?no, just part of the poem's weightlessness! Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 934 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 4:01 pm:        You, the poet? Are you H/A/M? Just checking... Is the significance why you wrote the poem? What you wrote the poem about? The circumstance in your life leading up to the writing of the poem (beyond for a cute LTP intro)? Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 830 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 4:09 pm:        Dlcygnet: You, the poet?no- i wrote the statement but I am not the puzzle! Are you H/A/M?I am yes Just checking... no prob... it's in my profile anyway! Is the significance why you wrote the poem?no What you wrote the poem about? yes The circumstance in your life leading up to the writing of the poem (beyond for a cute LTP intro)?no Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 937 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 6:23 pm:        Did something depressing happen? Sad? Problematic? Was there a minor problem that had to be solved? Was there a bet involved? Something trite? Is a computer involved? A mouse? A computer mouse? A process? Something step by step? Something tedious? Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 833 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 6:32 pm:        Did something depressing happen? Sad? Problematic? no to all Was there a minor problem that had to be solved?no Was there a bet involved?no Something trite? not exactly trite... Is a computer involved? A mouse? A computer mouse? A process? Something step by step? Something tedious?No Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 939 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 7:13 pm:        Does this puzzle involve... People? 1? 2? 3? 4? 5? More? Human? Adult? Male? Female? Animals? Vegetables? Minerals? Sewing products? Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 835 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 7:24 pm:        Does this puzzle involve... People?Yes 1? 2?Yes 3? 4? 5? More? Human? Adult? Male?yes to these Female?No to this Animals? Vegetables? Minerals? Sewing products?No to rest Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 942 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 7:34 pm:        So, two guys... Walk into a bar? Get involved in a duel? Start a fight? Are competing? In a sport? Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 837 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 10:09 pm:        So, two guys... Yes Walk into a bar? No Get involved in a duel?No Start a fight? no Are competing?Nope In a sport?No Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 950 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 11:04 pm:        Computers involved? Website? Noisemakers? A library? School? Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 841 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 1:33 am:        Computers involved? No Website? no Noisemakers? No A library? No School?No In the interest of fairness I should point out that it has come to my attention that there is a third person who might be said to be involved in this ... however my source failed to name them... Nevertheless I will allow them their place since they have provided me with enough evidence to be there... and no I have not spoken or emailed them, and neither are they aware of their involvement in this puzzle!... Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 842 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 1:51 am:        ****BLOOPER ALERT******* Actually rereading it and based on the whole subject of this puzzle I should have realised LONG before now there is a weightless Poem involved...a VERY weightless poem... there might be more but that is for us to decide at the end...I reserve judgement... but on the one... Peter365 (Peter365) New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 831 Registered: 1-2007 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 11:09 am:        Are all 3 words in the first line meant to convey anquish ? or is there some form of word play involved? Could alas read a lass? Could alack mean a shortgage of something? Could so low read solo? I'm reminded of Billy Connolly's line "O lack a day forsooth o woe is me, o woe, o woe and f*** this for a game of soldiers Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 843 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 1:41 pm:        Are all 3 words in the first line meant to convey anquish ?Yes or is there some form of word play involved?No Could alas read a lass? Could alack mean a shortgage of something? Could so low read solo? No to all I'm reminded of Billy Connolly's line "O lack a day forsooth o woe is me, o woe, o woe and f*** this for a game of soldiersNope... Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 955 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 3:57 pm:        Did somebody die? Get assaulted? Become injured? Become emotionally distressed? Re-live some childhood trauma? Papercut in a salt factory? Lose his prostitute girlfriend? Is Poe relevant? Any other poet relevant? Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 845 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 5:15 pm:        Did somebody die? yes but not relevantly Get assaulted? No Become injured? No Become emotionally distressed?Probably yes Re-live some childhood trauma? Thankfully no Papercut in a salt factory? Ouch...no Lose his prostitute girlfriend? I clap that question...in irons NO Is Poe relevant? no Any other poet relevant?YES! Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 962 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 6:44 pm:        This other poet who is relevant, is it you? Somebody historical? A wellknown author/poet? American? British? African? South American? Non-british European? Russian? Asian? Middle Eastern? Austrailian? Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 846 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 11:02 pm:        This other poet who is relevant, is it you?No Somebody historical?Yes A wellknown author/poet?Yope American?No British?Yes African? South American? Non-british European? Russian? Asian? Middle Eastern? Austrailian?So no to rest..oh and FA! Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 999 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 11:06 pm:        Is the relevant poet one of these: Betjeman, John William Blake Anne Bronte Charlotte Bronte Emily Bronte Elizabeth Browning Lord Byron Geoffrey Chaucer Robert Browning John Donne Ted Hughes Ben Johnson Rudyard Kipling D.H.Lawrence John Milton Wilfred Owen Christina Rossetti William Shakespeare Alfred Tennyson Dylan Thomas J.R.R.Tolkien Oscar Wilde William Wordsworth John Keats Percy Shelley Samuel Coleridge Lord Byron Matthew Arnold John Clare Is the poet actually involved? Just a piece of their work? Zenith (Zenith) New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 502 Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 4:40 am:        Is there more than one other relevant poet? I'm thinking of the challenge; was there a 'conflict'(for want of a better term) between 2 or more poets? of style? of subject? Political? "All ye Poets of the Age! All ye Witlings of the Stage! Learn your Jingles to reform! Crop your Numbers and Conform: Let your little Verses flow Gently, Sweetly, Row by Row: Let the Verse the Subject fit; Little Subject, Little Wit. Namby-Pamby is your Guide; Albion's Joy, Hibernia's Pride." (Henry Carey, satirising Ambrose Phillips.) Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 848 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 4:10 pm:        Dlycynet: Is the relevant poet one of these: Betjeman, John William Blake Anne Bronte Charlotte Bronte Emily Bronte Elizabeth Browning Lord Byron Geoffrey Chaucer Robert Browning John Donne Ted Hughes Ben Johnson Rudyard Kipling D.H.Lawrence John Milton Wilfred Owen Christina Rossetti William Shakespeare Alfred Tennyson Dylan Thomas J.R.R.Tolkien Oscar Wilde William Wordsworth John Keats Percy Shelley Samuel Coleridge Lord Byron Matthew Arnold John Clare Simple answer...NO! Is the poet actually involved?themselves...no... Just a piece of their work?the body of their work yes Zenith: Is there more than one other relevant poet?Correct I'm thinking of the challenge; was there a 'conflict'(for want of a better term) between 2 or more poets?not between the poets themselves, but... of style?Yes of subject?\bNot really, but perhaps a wee bit} Political?no "All ye Poets of the Age! All ye Witlings of the Stage! Learn your Jingles to reform! Crop your Numbers and Conform: Let your little Verses flow Gently, Sweetly, Row by Row: Let the Verse the Subject fit; Little Subject, Little Wit. Namby-Pamby is your Guide; Albion's Joy, Hibernia's Pride." (Henry Carey, satirising Ambrose Phillips.)Nice Deathateaster (Deathateaster) New member Username: Deathateaster Post Number: 127 Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 6:41 pm:        Is this a bit of a rulebreaker at heart, disguised a cryptic poem? Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 856 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 7:04 pm:        Deathateaster: Is this a bit of a rulebreaker at heart, disguised a cryptic poem?no... the poem is a cryptic alright... and there is a clue to one of the poets inside it... Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 866 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 12:10 pm:        ** Recap ** Alas! Alack! A Woe! A challenge oh so low, And so and so and so, Click here to begin to know! This poem represents a challenge between two poets (although there is a third poet who could also lay claim to the puzzle). One of the poets is cryptically referenced in the verse. None of these are the poets: Betjeman, John, William Blake, Anne Bronte, Charlotte Bronte, Emily Bronte, Elizabeth Browning, Lord Byron, Geoffrey Chaucer, Robert Browning, John Donne, Ted Hughes, Ben Johnson, Rudyard Kipling, D.H.Lawrence, John Milton, Wilfred Owen, Christina Rossetti, William Shakespeare, Alfred Tennyson, Dylan Thomas, J.R.R.Tolkien, Oscar Wilde, William Wordsworth, John Keats, Percy Shelley, Samuel Coleridge, Lord Byron, Matthew Arnold, John Clare, Edgar A. Poe The poets are both dead, and, bonus info, unaware of the challenge. Neither of the deaths is relevant. Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig) New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1646 Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 10:09 pm:        Anagrams relevant? Is the "cryptically referenced" line 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th, or mix of them? Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 873 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 1:50 am:        Crazypalpig: Anagrams relevant?no Is the "cryptically referenced" line 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th, or mix of them?the 4th... and would probably only be of use to those on this forum... Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1069 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 5:09 pm:        Are the poets Romantic poets? War poets? Transcendental poets? Other era/genre? Does click here refer to an internet site where we learn/compare/contrast the poets you're thinking of? Does the capitalized Click allude to a name? Does this have anything to do with the fact that every website description (results of a general internet search) of british poets includes the line "click here"? Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 950 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 12:19 pm:        Are the poets Romantic poets? War poets? Transcendental poets?No to all three Other era/genre? both Victorian Does click here refer to an internet site where we learn/compare/contrast the poets you're thinking of?no... but there is a net link. You are much closer to part of the answer than you think... Does the capitalized Click allude to a name?No Does this have anything to do with the fact that every website description (results of a general internet search) of british poets includes the line "click here"?Do they? ... no Beccaann (Beccaann) New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1915 Registered: 6-2006 Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 9:20 pm:        Any of these poets? Matthew Arnold? Gerard Manley Hopkins? Lewis Carroll? A E Housman? Robert Lewis Stevenson? Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 958 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 11:54 pm:        Any of these poets? Matthew Arnold? Gerard Manley Hopkins? Lewis Carroll? A E Housman? Robert Lewis Stevenson?No to all Woodworm (Woodworm) New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1116 Registered: 3-2006 Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2007 - 2:40 pm:        Does 'click here' refer to any link on the LTPF? Woodworm (Woodworm) New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1117 Registered: 3-2006 Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2007 - 2:46 pm:        Is Edward Lear relevant at all? Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1135 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2007 - 5:31 pm:        By victorian era poets... you mean 1837-1901? Are any of them in this list (sorry about repeats): Matthew Arnold (45) (1822 - 1888) Richard Aldington (12) (1892 - 1962) Lascelles Abercrombie (6) (1881 - 1938) Sarah Flower Adams (6) (1805 - 1848) William Allingham (31) (1821 - 1889) Alfred Austin (4) (1835 - 1913) B Elizabeth Barrett Browning (114) (1809 - 1861) Robert Browning (110) (1812 - 1889) Andre Breton (5) (1896 - 1966) Rupert Brooke (102) (1887 - 1915) Emily Bronte (56) (1818 - 1848) Charlotte Bronte (24) (1816 - 1855) Thomas Edward Brown (13) (1830 - 1897) Robert Seymour Bridges (24) (1844 - 1930) Anne Bronte (59) (1820 - 1849) William Barnes (12) (1801 - 1886) Laurence Binyon (16) (1869 - 1943) George Bradley (1) (1821 - 1903) C Lewis Carroll (73) (1832 - 1898) Aleister Crowley (49) (1875 - 1947) Mary Elizabeth Coleridge (16) (1861 - 1907) Arthur Hugh Clough (17) (1819 - 1861) G. K. Chesterton (59) (1874 - 1936) Eliza Cook (5) (1818 - 1889) D John Davidson (12) (1857 - 1909) Ernest Dowson (14) (1867 - 1900) E George Eliot (9) (1819 - 1880) F Edward Fitzgerald (4) (1809 - 1883) G Robert Graves (74) (1895 - 1985) Edgar Albert Guest (9) (1881 - 1959) H Thomas Hardy (217) (1840 - 1928) Gerard Manley Hopkins (84) (1844 - 1889) A. E. Housman (81) (1859 - 1936) William Ernest Henley (17) (1849 - 1903) K Rudyard Kipling (341) (1865 - 1936) Charles Kingsley (12) (1819 - 1875) L Edward Lear (18) (1812 - 1888) David Herbert Lawrence (109) (1885 - 1930) Amy Levy (69) (1861 - 1889) M Walter de la Mare (44) (1873 - 1956) John Masefield (25) (1878 - 1967) William Morris (47) (1834 - 1896) George Meredith (69) (1828 - 1909) N Alfred Noyes (1) (1880 - 1958) Sir Henry Newbolt (13) (1862 - 1938) Edith Nesbit (8) (1858 - 1924) O Wilfred Owen (30) (1893 - 1918) P Coventry Patmore (13) (1823 - 1896) R Christina Rossetti (55) (1830 - 1894) John Ruskin (1) (1819 - 1900) S Siegfried Sassoon (146) (1886 - 1967) Dame Edith Sitwell (11) (1887 - 1964) Vita Sackville-West (1) (1892 - 1962) Algernon Charles Swinburne (131) (1837 - 1909) T J. R. R. Tolkien (37) (1892 - 1973) Lord Alfred Tennyson (153) (1809 - 1892) Francis Thompson (15) (1859 - 1907) Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 970 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Wednesday, December 05, 2007 - 1:55 am:        Woodworm: Does 'click here' refer to any link on the LTPF?Yes Is Edward Lear relevant at all?No Dlcygnet: By victorian era poets... you mean 1837-1901?yes they worked in this period Are any of them in this list (sorry about repeats):list omitted for sake of brewvity and ease of following the post... NO Bodo (Bodo) New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2379 Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 6:35 pm:        Someone's profile? Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 988 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 1:29 am:        Bodo: Someone's profile? No... you see the link much more often than that! Beccaann (Beccaann) New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1946 Registered: 6-2006 Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 4:50 pm:        The link: Solved Puzzles? Active Puzzles? Log Out? Search? Moderators? Register? Edit Profile? Topics? Last Day? Last Week? Tree View? Getting Started? Formatting? Troubleshooting? Program Credits? Contact? Administration? Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 995 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 11:47 am:        Solved Puzzles? Active Puzzles? Log Out? Search? Moderators? Register? Edit Profile? Topics? Last Day? Last Week? Tree View? Getting Started?yes... now what poet does that lead you to? Formatting? Troubleshooting? Program Credits? Contact? Administration? this should go quite quickly now... Bodo (Bodo) New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2413 Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 4:18 pm:        McGonagall? His being renowned as one of the worst poets in the English langidge? Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 1006 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 5:09 pm:        McGonagall?Yes His being renowned as one of the worst poets in the English langidge?Not one of the worst...hint? Just to remind you here is the doggerel again: Alas! Alack! A Woe! A challenge oh so low, And so and so and so, Click here to begin to know! Pumpkin (Pumpkin) Moderator Username: Pumpkin Post Number: 13 Registered: 3-2002 Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2007 - 5:59 pm:        ooh, ooh, am I being featured in a puzzle? Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 1015 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 1:03 am:        Pumpkin: ooh, ooh, am I being featured in a puzzle? Alas, alack, a woe, I believe it might be so! But can you solve it? Woubit (Woubit) Moderator Username: Woubit Post Number: 154 Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Friday, December 21, 2007 - 7:55 am:        Is the notion that there is somewhere a worse poet than McGonagall? And/or that worse poetry than McGonagall's is somehow exhibited on the "Getting Started" screen? Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 1047 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Friday, December 21, 2007 - 9:51 am:        Is the notion that there is somewhere a worse poet than McGonagall?Yes! And/or that worse poetry than McGonagall's is somehow exhibited on the "Getting Started" screen?no... I think this needs killed now... ********************** SPOILER ***************** This came from a couple of news articles I read deposing McGonagall (beloved of this forum) as the worst poet. The new king, apparently is Theo Marzials... follow the link for more detail... http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/article2604789.ece Thanks to all who took part! and to Woubit for ending it! Wow - over 2 months... not bad... or is it terrible? Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970) New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 1048 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Friday, December 21, 2007 - 9:52 am:        OOOpppsss Looks like that link is breaking the forum a wee bit...Sorry folks!