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They knew that detailed planning was essential, but sometimes even THAT is not enough.
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They H? A? M?

Were the planning a crime? a business venture? an event? True story or FYOI?

Did the thing they were planning fail because their planning was not detailed enough or due to some unforeseen circumstance?
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They H? A? M? Yes to all as far as I know, but gender not relevant

Were the planning a crime? Yes a business venture? an event? So no to these two True story or FYOI? True story

Did the thing they were planning fail because their planning was not detailed enough or due to some unforeseen circumstance? The latter (Mostly. In the real world there might have been a tiny bit of the former, but it's so small it would probably be bordering in FA. So for the sake of this puzzle, we say the latter)
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Hope I didn't do this puzzle already, I had one that sounded oddly familiar. Were they robbing a post office? If so, pleasse no one look at my other sp01led puzzle,"Prepared or not"
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Hope I didn't do this puzzle already, I had one that sounded oddly familiar. Were they robbing a post office? If so, pleasse no one look at my other sp01led puzzle,"Prepared or not"
I remember your post office puzzle. It's not that. No post office robbed. And in your puzzle, they were actually a bit daft, not checking if the post office was still open, lol.
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is the crime Murder? armed robbery? burglary? other theft? computer crime? arson?
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is the crime Murder? armed robbery? This burglary? other theft? computer crime? arson?
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Were the planning to rob a Bank? a business? retail outlet e.g. supermarket? Cash Transit Vehicle? private dwelling?
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Were the planning to rob a Bank? a business? retail outlet e.g. supermarket? Cash Transit Vehicle? This one private dwelling?
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was there cash in the vehicle? or did they manage to rob it on its way to pick up money? did they manage to get into the vehicle?
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was there cash in the vehicle? No or did they manage to rob it on its way to pick up money? Not this, but.... did they manage to get into the vehicle? Nope
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Anything to do with safe cracking? time locks?

wild guess was the van only carrying obselete notes such as when the Euro notes were introduced?
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darn my questions are made redundent by your answers to Damia :o(

Did they rob the wrong vehicle ie. a blue van similar to a brinks truck?
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Anything to do with safe cracking? No, but... time locks? No

wild guess was the van only carrying obselete notes such as when the Euro notes were introduced? No

darn my questions are made redundent by your answers to Damia :o(

Did they rob the wrong vehicle ie. a blue van similar to a brinks truck? Nope
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did they try to rob it when it was empty? did they attack the guards? make them open the van doors? or did they try to break in by themselves?
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did they try to rob it when it was empty? Yes did they attack the guards? Yes make them open the van doors? No or did they try to break in by themselves? No
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did they think that the guard would be able to open the van? could they? or did they just refuse to? or were they so badly hurt they couldn't? were the guards killed?
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did they think that the guard would be able to open the van? Yes, but I can detect a FA luring could they? Yes or did they just refuse to? No or were they so badly hurt they couldn't? No were the guards killed? No
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just to be sure we're talking about the same kind of thing, is it ones of those vans where there are drivers up front and a secured section to the rear? was there another guard in there? then in that secured section you get a kind of safe type thing which the money goes in?

did the guard let them in to the secured rear bit? but then couldn't open the cash section? did the robbers try to break into that? or take it with them?
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just to be sure we're talking about the same kind of thing, is it ones of those vans where there are drivers up front and a secured section to the rear? Possibly was there another guard in there? Probably then in that secured section you get a kind of safe type thing which the money goes in? Probably, but all irrelevant. Explore

did the guard let them in to the secured rear bit? but then couldn't open the cash section? did the robbers try to break into that? or take it with them? No to all.
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Did they know the van was empty?

Were they possibly trying to rob the guards of their clothes so they could pretend to be the guards? maybe when the van actually went to pick up money?

unforseen circumstance:
did someone recognize them when they were trying to rob the guards? did someone try to stop them?
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Did they know the van was empty? Probably

Were they possibly trying to rob the guards of their clothes so they could pretend to be the guards? No maybe when the van actually went to pick up money? But yesish to this

unforseen circumstance: Definitely
did someone recognize them when they were trying to rob the guards? did someone try to stop them? But no to these
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Just to clarify . Was their plan to capture the van and the guards and continue along the Van's route collecting cash while pretending to be the real guards?

was there something unforeseen about the physical qualities of the guards that made this impossible such as their size? skin colour?

Would the guards have been regulars on their route and therefore known to the banks/businesses that they were collecting from.?
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Just to clarify . Was their plan to capture the van and the guards and continue along the Van's route collecting cash while pretending to be the real guards? No, this was not their plan

was there something unforeseen about the physical qualities of the guards that made this impossible such as their size? skin colour? No to both

Would the guards have been regulars on their route and therefore known to the banks/businesses that they were collecting from.? They might have been, but not relevant as the robbers never intended to pretend they were the guards
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did they intend to make one of the guards go and get the money from the banks etc? whilst holding the other hostage?
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did they intend to make one of the guards go and get the money from the banks etc? no-ish whilst holding the other hostage? no
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Just one extra posting/hint before I leave work. There is a FA lurking in the background regarding the van's role in the robbery.
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was the van the robber's van? did they pretend to rob it? was it painted to look like a van that carries money?

if the van was a real van that carries money, was it an inside job? in other words, was there a guard who was helping the robbers?
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was the van the robber's van? did they pretend to rob it? was it painted to look like a van that carries money?

if the van was a real van that carries money, was it an inside job? in other words, was there a guard who was helping the robbers? No to all, I'm afraid
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Just to clarify my last answer. It was the real cash transit van, just no to inside job.
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did they need the van in any way to get the money they wanted? or need something on the van? or in the van?
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did they need the van in any way to get the money they wanted? Not at all or need something on the van? No or in the van? No
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It seems that I might have a small blooper. Peter365 asked on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 2:20 pm: Were the planning to rob a Bank? a business? retail outlet e.g. supermarket? Cash Transit Vehicle? private dwelling? to which I answered Yes to Cash Transit Vehicle.

When looking through the questions and the direction they're heading, maybe I should have said Yes (with the tiniest -ish) instead.
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ok did they need someone on/in the van? or did they just want the van? to sell it on for cash?
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ok did they need someone on/in the van? or did they just want the van? to sell it on for cash? No to all, the van as such is of no interest to them. But.....
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did they want to take the van apart? sell it for scrap?
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did they want to take the van apart? sell it for scrap? No to both. They are looking for cash, but.... Hint follows in white:

There are 3 things you need to determine. One is WHEN the raiders hit (remember you have determined that there is no cash on the van and they know it). Secondly there are two things that happened that would be the Murphy's law part. One of them has to do with routines.
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did they hit the van first thing in the morning? before it had made pick ups? or later in the day? after it had been emptied?
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did they hit the van first thing in the morning? Yes before it had made pick ups? Yes/Yope (they hadn't made the first pick-up, but.. or later in the day? after it had been emptied? No to rest
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Did they plan to be in the van when cash was put into it? Were they hiding in it? Were they expecting there to be something other than money in the van?
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Did they plan to be in the van when cash was put into it? No, not inside the van.... Were they hiding in it? No Were they expecting there to be something other than money in the van? No
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Were they waiting at the point of the first pick up? Did they plan to get the money before it was put into the van?
Was one of the things that went wrong because a routine changed without warning?
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Were they waiting at the point of the first pick up? Yes Did they plan to get the money before it was put into the van? Yes!
Was one of the things that went wrong because a routine changed without warning? There was no change in routines, but there was a particular routine implemented at the first pick up point. Exlore.
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Did they plan to take the money between the place it was being stored and the van? Or did they plan to end up insede the van with the money?
Was the routine designed to ensure security? To stop people doing exactly what the robbers planned to do? Did it make it impossible for the robbers to get the money? Did it involve the money being closely guarded into the van? Any security devices relevant?
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Did they plan to take the money between the place it was being stored and the van? They sure did Or did they plan to end up insede the van with the money? No
Was the routine designed to ensure security? Yes To stop people doing exactly what the robbers planned to do? But not this Did it make it impossible for the robbers to get the money? Nope Did it involve the money being closely guarded into the van? Not more than usual Any security devices relevant? Yope
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Was the money marked in some way, so if it was stolen it could be traced? Did the robbers in fact steal the money? If so, were they caught soon after? A while after? Any alarms?
I'm assuming the money was in notes...or did they end up trying to steal thousands of pounds worth of pennies?
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did the guards change the routine?
did the guards alter their route?
did the guards do a "fake routine" where no money was involved? (in other words, did they pretend to have money, but their bags were empty)
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Was the money marked in some way, so if it was stolen it could be traced? No Did the robbers in fact steal the money? No, good question If so, were they caught soon after? But yes to this A while after? and no to this Any alarms? No
I'm assuming the money was in notes...or did they end up trying to steal thousands of pounds worth of pennies? They were trying to steal notes
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Eli, not sure if you saw my questions....Thanks!
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Sorry, Amy

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did the guards change the routine? No
did the guards alter their route? No
did the guards do a "fake routine" where no money was involved? (in other words, did they pretend to have money, but their bags were empty) No to fake routine, but something was empty
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Just a last posting before I leave for the weekend.

As I said, something was empty. Explore that. Also there was no routine change. However, a spesific routine was implemented at this customer. When you find out what that routine was, you will soon be on your way to solving most of it. Hint - think security & access to cash. Remember that Yope to security device.
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Was the empty thing the Van's petrol tank?
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Was the empty thing the Van's petrol tank? Nope
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The yope security device- was this something that would alert the guards if the money was stolen? Or something to try and prevent it being stolen in the first place? Guard dogs?
Did the robbers at any time have te money in their possession? Or were they caught before htey could get to it? Was there something preventing them from reaching the money?
Was the money carried in bags? Briefcase? If so, was it chained to the gurad's wrist? In a safe? A box of some kind? Is this relevant?
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The yope security device- was this something that would alert the guards if the money was stolen? No Or something to try and prevent it being stolen in the first place? Yes Guard dogs? No
Did the robbers at any time have te money in their possession? Nope Or were they caught before htey could get to it? Because of Murphy's law, Yes Was there something preventing them from reaching the money? Yes
Was the money carried in bags? No Briefcase? No If so, was it chained to the gurad's wrist? N/A In a safe? They were stored in a safe, yes A box of some kind? No, but.... Is this relevant? Yes
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So the guards were carrying a safe full of money from the pick up point (a bank?) to the van. And the robbers were waiting at the pick up point to steal the money. Right?
And something was empty. But that thing wasn't the safe? The guards didn't carry a decoy out first to catch out the robbers?
Is it relevant what kind of lock it had? Had the robbers learned the combination, but it had been changed since then? Were they expecting it to be in easily-cut bags, but they couldn't get into the safe to get the money?
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So the guards were carrying a safe full of money from the pick up point (a bank?) to the van. And the robbers were waiting at the pick up point to steal the money. Right? Not entirely. Routine was that money is kept in safe untill pick up, then transported to the van in 'something'. But yes to the robbers waiting at the pick up point
And something was empty. Yes, explore But that thing wasn't the safe? No the safe was full of money The guards didn't carry a decoy out first to catch out the robbers? Nope
Is it relevant what kind of lock it had? Yes Had the robbers learned the combination, but it had been changed since then? No Were they expecting it to be in easily-cut bags, but they couldn't get into the safe to get the money? Not this
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Was it locked with a padlock? A lock and key? A combination? Was it actually locked? Did the robbers expect it to be?
Was the money carried out of the van in something other than the safe it was stored in?
The thing that was empty: did the robbers expect it to be full? If so, with money? Was it the van? The bank (or wherever the money was being kept safe)? Was it a container? A building? A vehicle?
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Was it locked with a padlock? No A lock and key? Yesish A combination? No Was it actually locked? Yes Did the robbers expect it to be? Yes
Was the money carried out of the van in something other than the safe it was stored in? Yes
The thing that was empty: did the robbers expect it to be full? Yes! If so, with money? Yes Was it the van? No The bank (or wherever the money was being kept safe)? No Was it a container? Yes A building? No A vehicle? No
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Was the empty "something" a bag with handles? a suitcase?

were there more than one "somethings"?

could they carry the "something"? roll it? was it heavy? did it take more than one person to carry the "something?"

did the guards know that the robbers were going to be waiting for them?

had the guards taken the money out of the safe at all? since they did not put the money in the "something," had they put it in something else this time?
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Was the empty "something" a bag with handles? No a suitcase? Not really a suitcase, but close

were there more than one "somethings"? Yes

could they carry the "something"? Yes roll it? Would not be very practical was it heavy? Not that day seeing as it was empty did it take more than one person to carry the "something?" No

did the guards know that the robbers were going to be waiting for them? No

had the guards taken the money out of the safe at all? No. And why?? since they did not put the money in the "something," had they put it in something else this time? Nope
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Just trying to get everything straight again, sorry...

So, basically...the guards' routine called for them to take the money from the safe and put it into "somethings," carry these "somethings" to a van and put them into the van. After this, they took the van, filled with money to the various places (ie banks), correct?

And on this particular day, the guards did not take the money from the safe, but carried empty "somethings" to the van, correct?

Can't remember, were the would-be robbers waiting for the guards at the van?
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Just trying to get everything straight again, sorry...

So, basically...the guards' routine called for them to take the money from the safe and put it into "somethings," carry these "somethings" to a van and put them into the van. Basically right, there is just one little thing to explore and that is regarding the spesial routines in place at this specific customer. HINT: it takes place BEFORE the money is put in to the something, the yesish security device is involved.
After this, they took the van, filled with money to the various places (ie banks), correct? Yes

And on this particular day, the guards did not take the money from the safe, but carried empty "somethings" to the van, correct? Yes

Can't remember, were the would-be robbers waiting for the guards at the van? They were.
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Trying another little hint today before I leave work.

The spesific routines they had to follow in this place were the reason why the 'somethings' are empty, but it was not meant to be so. Explore. Those somethings are not suitcases, not bags. But closer to suitcases, than bags in appearance. The yesish security device is one of the oldest ways known to man to keep something secure, no modern technology involved at all.
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A code? A lock? Were they fastened shut in some way which the robbers didn't expect?
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A code? A lock? This, and what opens a lock? Were they fastened shut in some way which the robbers didn't expect? No
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RECAP

Some criminal decided to rob a cash transit vehicle when the guards had picked up the money at the first pickup point.
(As it is not very relevant for the story what the 'somethings' are, I will give it away - it was money collection boxes.) These boxes should have been filled with money, but for some reason, when the guard came out again, the boxes were empty. The reason why they are empty has to do with a security procedure that is implemented at this customer. This security procedure involves a lock and ??, and there is something special about this lock. Even if it is not a bank, think bank safety.

What is left to discover is:
1. Exactly what the security procedure is
2. Why were the boxes empty (this will be fairly easy to determine once you have found part one)
3. Also, something totally unrelated to this happened to the robbers at the time of attack. Explore
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A lock and key? Was it a special type of key? Was it one of those locks that needs two keys to open it?
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A lock and key? Yes Was it a special type of key? No Was it one of those locks that needs two keys to open it? and YES!
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Is it where the bank holds one key and the client holds the other, so they both have to be there to open it? Was one key lost? Did the client not show up with their key?
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Is it where the bank holds one key and the client holds the other, so they both have to be there to open it? Not really, cause this was not in a bank, it took place at the client's. But the procedure was like that, the client holds one key, the other key is where?? Was one key lost? No Did the client not show up with their key? No, the client was there at their safe with the key as usual
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Going on holidays for a week, so I hope there will be loads of questions waiting for me when I get back.. :-)

So there are 2 keys needed. Who has the second key?
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do the security guards have the other key? or their head office?
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do the security guards have the other key? Yes or their head office? and yes, this is where the key is kept when not in use
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Did the security guards forget the key that day?
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Did the security guards forget the key that day? YES. And now for the final bit of it, the one that REALLY spelt bad luck. Something happened as they attacked the guard walking out again with empty boxes.
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did something happen to one of them? all of them? one of the guards? the box? the other key? the client? did some police happen along?
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did something happen to one of them? all of them? This one of the guards? the box? the other key? the client? did some police happen along? And this(ish). Anyway, close enough for a spoiler.

A friend of mine told me this story that took place at the posh hotel where her mother works.

*******************SPOILER**********************************

A gang of criminals was going to rob a money transport. Their plan was to ambush the guard after he had collected money from one of the city's poshest hotels on a Monday morning, knowing there would be a substantial amount of money in the safe on such a day.

Little did they know that the police were on to them. Also, on this day the guard had forgotten the key to the hotel safe when he left the office earlier that morning, so there was no way to open the safe (safe could only be open with the duty manager's key and the guard's key used together). As he was walking out again, cursing himself for his stupidity, he was attacked by the gang. He knocked one over with one of the boxes. Another of them managed to grab the other money box, obviously thinking it was loaded with money and ran. But he was caught by police a few minutes later - with an empty moneybox.

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