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Bentarm (Bentarm)
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Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 6:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bob happily confessed to a murder he didn't commit, and received the death penalty. But why?
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Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 9:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bob=he=human adult male?
Was he actually put to death? Did he want to die? Was he protecting the person who did commit the murder?
Bentarm (Bentarm)
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Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 12:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bob=he=human adult male? yes to all
Was he actually put to death? yes Did he want to die? no Was he protecting the person who did commit the murder? yes
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Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 3:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did Bob know the person who committed the murder?

was Bob related to the person who committed the murder? his wife? son? daughter? grandmother/father? mother? father? niece? nephew? cousin? sibling?

was Bob a friend of the person who committed the murder?

did Bob know he would receive the death penalty when he confessed to the murder?

did Bob know the person who was killed? did the murderer kill a friend of Bob? an enemy? a lover? a child of Bob's? Bob's wife?

did Bob know that the murder was going to happen (meaning, did the murderer tell Bob he was going to kill someone)? did Bob witness it? did the murderer tell Bob that he(the murderer) had killed someone (after the fact)?

type of murder important? with gun? poison? arson? strangling? with a car--run over the person?

real story or fyoi?
Bentarm (Bentarm)
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Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 3:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did Bob know the person who committed the murder? no

was Bob related to the person who committed the murder? his wife? son? daughter? grandmother/father? mother? father? niece? nephew? cousin? sibling?

was Bob a friend of the person who committed the murder? no to all

did Bob know he would receive the death penalty when he confessed to the murder? yes

did Bob know the person who was killed? did the murderer kill a friend of Bob? an enemy? a lover? a child of Bob's? Bob's wife? no to all

did Bob know that the murder was going to happen (meaning, did the murderer tell Bob he was going to kill someone)? no did Bob witness it? no did the murderer tell Bob that he(the murderer) had killed someone (after the fact)? yes-ish

type of murder important? with gun? poison? arson? strangling? with a car--run over the person? irrelevant - let's say he was beaten to death with a pumpkin

real story or fyoi? fmoi
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Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 3:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did Bob learn about the crime by another source? another person? a policeman? did Bob read about the crime--newspaper, perhaps? hear about it on the television?

is Bob's job relevant?
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Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 3:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wild guess --Is Bob a priest who heard the murderers confession?

Was the method of execution relevant? hanging? electric chair? lethal injection? firing squad? beheading?

Was Bob suicidal ? was he acting to protect the murderer? or someone else? was he just a crazed attention seeker? was he convicted solely on the basis of his confession? was he a suspect before he confessed?
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Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 3:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

p.s Which would smash first a human skull or a pumpkin? :o)
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Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 3:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does Bob gain anything by confessing to this murder? Does his family in any way? (am thinking he might have been payed off nicely to do it and his family secured for the rest of their lives??)
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Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 4:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did Bob learn about the crime by another source? yes another person? yes a policeman? did Bob read about the crime--newspaper, perhaps? hear about it on the television? no to all

is Bob's job relevant? no

Wild guess --Is Bob a priest who heard the murderers confession? no

Was the method of execution relevant? hanging? electric chair? lethal injection? firing squad? beheading? irrelevant

Was Bob suicidal ? no was he acting to protect the murderer? yes or someone else? no was he just a crazed attention seeker? no was he convicted solely on the basis of his confession? yes-ish was he a suspect before he confessed? no

p.s Which would smash first a human skull or a pumpkin? obviously before you use it as a murder weapon you have to freeze the pumpkin

Does Bob gain anything by confessing to this murder? yes Does his family in any way? yes (am thinking he might have been payed off nicely to do it and his family secured for the rest of their lives? yes! - this happened, but there is a lot more to it)
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Does his family gain financially? Otherwise? Location relevant? Anything about Bob's background?
Bentarm (Bentarm)
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Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 4:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does his family gain financially? yes Otherwise? no Location relevant? no Anything about Bob's background? YES!
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Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 5:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Organized crime relevant? [In some cases, a Mob Family would offer to provide for the family of one of the underlings if he would "take the fall" for a higher-ranking member of the gang. Anything like this?]

Did Bob expect to receive the death penalty? or did he confess expecting that the sentence would be life in prison?
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Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 5:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

One last set of questions before I leave work, ;)

The relevant thing about him;

His health? family? education? where he's born? hobbies? political opinions?

Is there anything relevant about the murderer? Is there any other reason for Bob taking the blame than just the money, like he doesn't want the murderer to die for some reason? You said that Bob doesn't know the murderer. Is it relevant why he was asked to take the blame (as in him instead of a 'Jim', 'Pete' or 'Andrew')?
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Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 6:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Organized crime relevant? no [In some cases, a Mob Family would offer to provide for the family of one of the underlings if he would "take the fall" for a higher-ranking member of the gang. Anything like this? no]

Did Bob expect to receive the death penalty? yes or did he confess expecting that the sentence would be life in prison? no

The relevant thing about him;

His health? family? education? where he's born? hobbies? political opinions? no to all

Is there anything relevant about the murderer? no Is there any other reason for Bob taking the blame than just the money, like he doesn't want the murderer to die for some reason? yes-ish (but not this) You said that Bob doesn't know the murderer. Is it relevant why he was asked to take the blame (as in him instead of a 'Jim', 'Pete' or 'Andrew')? yes
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Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 6:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

before the confession, is Bob's family in poverty/ have little money?

does Bob have a nice life insurance policy? when he dies, does the family get the money from the life insurance policy?

did Bob meet with the murderer after he (Bob) decided to confess to the murder? does Bob let the murderer know that he is going to take the rap for the murder or does Bob do this on his own?

is anyone else involved in Bob's decision to confess to the murder? does anyone else know about his plan?

I am assuming no fingerprints are left at the scene of the crime that would place the real murderer at the scene instead of Bob...
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Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 6:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had he not been condemned to death, would Bob have had long to live?
Bentarm (Bentarm)
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Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 6:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

before the confession, is Bob's family in poverty/ have little money? no
does Bob have a nice life insurance policy? no when he dies, does the family get the money from the life insurance policy? so no

did Bob meet with the murderer after he (Bob) decided to confess to the murder? no does Bob let the murderer know that he is going to take the rap for the murder or does Bob do this on his own? he let's the murderer know

is anyone else involved in Bob's decision to confess to the murder? yes (but not especially relevant does anyone else know about his plan? yes (ditto)

I am assuming no fingerprints are left at the scene of the crime that would place the real murderer at the scene instead of Bob... correct

Had he not been condemned to death, would Bob have had long to live? he would not
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Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 7:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Bob decide that since he was going to die soon anyway, he might as well save someone else from the death penalty? Pr that he might aswell make some money from it? Was Bob certain that the real murderer was guilty? Was there some particular reason why the real murderer would be likely to get caught if Bob didn't take the fall for him? Did Bob believe that the murderer should not be punished? That what he did was right? Does Bob have any relevant religious or political beliefs?
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Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 7:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Bob expect that the execution would be less painful than his impending death?
Bentarm (Bentarm)
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Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 9:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Bob decide that since he was going to die soon anyway, he might as well save someone else from the death penalty? no Pr that he might aswell make some money from it? this is relevant Was Bob certain that the real murderer was guilty? yes Was there some particular reason why the real murderer would be likely to get caught if Bob didn't take the fall for him? just the efficiency of the police force Did Bob believe that the murderer should not be punished? no That what he did was right? no Does Bob have any relevant religious or political beliefs? no


Did Bob expect that the execution would be less painful than his impending death? no
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Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 10:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would Bob's family get the financial benefit from
an insurance policy other than life insurance?
from selling the story to a book publisher or a screenwriter?
the actual murderer? or someone connected with him?
something else, unrelated to either the murder or Bob's confession? conviction? execution?

Did his family get the money when he confessed? when he was convicted? when he was sentenced? when he was executed? soon after he was executed [within 1 or 2 months]? moderately long after he was executed [6 months to a year]? long after he was executed [longer than 1 year]?

Did the money come from an individual?
a group of individuals?
a company?
the government?

Was it a reward [50,000 dollars for information leading to the arrest and conviction...]?
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Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 12:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would Bob's family get the financial benefit from
an insurance policy other than life insurance? no
from selling the story to a book publisher or screenwriter? no
the actual murderer? YES! or someone connected with him? or I suppose more likely actually this
something else, unrelated to either the murder or Bob's confession? conviction? execution? none of these

Did his family get the money when he confessed? when he was convicted? when he was sentenced? when he was executed? soon after he was executed [within 1 or 2 months]? this one moderately long after he was executed [6 months to a year]? long after he was executed [longer than 1 year]?

Did the money come from an individual?
a group of individuals?
a company?
the government?

Was it a reward [50,000 dollars for information leading to the arrest and conviction...]?

Bob's family were paid money by the murderer in order to secure his confession. The question is, why did Bob accept the offer - there is more to it
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Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 1:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does Bob know he would have died soon anyway? Would the murderer have killed him? Does the murderer threaten to kill him? Or threaten to kill someone else? Frame someone else? A member of Bob's family? Does he threaten him in any other way?
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Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 1:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK, Bob would not have lived long anyway. Was he terminally ill? extremely old? severely injured?
Relevant?

Would Bob's death have left his family poor? destitute? deeply in debt?

Yesterday you said this:

quote:

did the murderer tell Bob that he(the murderer) had killed someone (after the fact)? yes-ish


The -ish:
Did the murderer not tell Bob directly?
did he imply to Bob that he had murdered?
Did Bob figure it out on his own?

Is the -ish connected to the word "tell"?

Bob's background:
A skill he had? lipreading? the ability to read upside down?
His job? if so, was it a job where he hears a number of conversations over the course of a workday? waiter? bus driver? cabbie? street sweeper? elevator operator? clerk? some other "invisible" job? You'd never believe the kinds of things I heard back when I was waiting tables...
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Does Bob know he would have died soon anyway? yes Would the murderer have killed him? no Does the murderer threaten to kill him? no Or threaten to kill someone else? no Frame someone else? no A member of Bob's family? no Does he threaten him in any other way? no

OK, Bob would not have lived long anyway. Was he terminally ill? extremely old? severely injured? none of these
Relevant? it is relevant why he wouldn't have lived long

Would Bob's death have left his family poor? destitute? deeply in debt? no to all

Yesterday you said this:

quote:
did the murderer tell Bob that he(the murderer) had killed someone (after the fact)? yes-ish


The -ish:
Did the murderer not tell Bob directly? he would probably have told him through a third party, but not very relevant
did he imply to Bob that he had murdered?
Did Bob figure it out on his own? see above

Is the -ish connected to the word "tell"? yes

Bob's background:
A skill he had? lipreading? the ability to read upside down? no to all
His job? if so, was it a job where he hears a number of conversations over the course of a workday? waiter? bus driver? cabbie? street sweeper? elevator operator? clerk? some other "invisible" job? his job was irrelevant
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Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 4:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had Bob previously been sentenced to the death penalty for a murder he did commit? Or that they thought he committed? So he was goung to die anyway, and decided he might as well be sentenced for two crimes and help his family out whil he was at it?
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Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 7:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had Bob previously been sentenced to the death penalty for a murder he did commit? Or that they thought he committed? So he was goung to die anyway, and decided he might as well be sentenced for two crimes and help his family out whil he was at it? YES!

********** SPOILER ************

Bob was sitting on death row, and due to be executed very soon when he was approached by Fred. If Bob would agree to confess to a crime which Fred had committed, Fred would give Bob's family $500,000.

This would probably have the added bonus for Bob of delaying his execution for a few months. So everyone was happy...

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