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Beccaann (Beccaann)
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As a consequence of ignoring someone's lack of consideration, I was accused of being inconsiderate. Ironically, because I resent the accusation, I am now more likely to repeat the action which lead to it. Explain.
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Sounds like most women I have ever known :-)

Is this event associated with your job? Personal life? Other?

Is the "someone" relevant in terms of finding out more info about them?
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Sounds like most women I have ever known :-) Who, me? or my accuser?? :-)

Is this event associated with your job?no Personal life?yes Other?no

Is the "someone" relevant in terms of finding out more info about them?yope
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Who, me? or my accuser?? :-)
Well. originally I meant the former but now you ask ... I suppose both!! :-)


So was the accuser male?
Friend? Associate? Family? Stranger? Other?
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Before Peter365 gets here I should just ask: anything to do with 80s music? REM?
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The "lack of consideration" action that you ignored:

...not listening to you?
...not doing something for you?
...doing something for you even though you didn't want him to?
...yelling at you? talking too loudly? getting in your way?
...something to do with money? not paying for something? not paying his full share? a meal at a restaurant?

The action you did that caused you to be accused of being inconsiderate:

...not listening to you?
...not doing something for you?
...doing something for you even though you didn't want him to?
...yelling at you? talking too loudly? getting in your way?
...something to do with money? not paying for something? not paying his full share? a meal at a restaurant?
...not calling out the person who was originally inconsiderate towards you?

Was the accuser the same person as the first "someone"?

Was "the action which led to it" the same as the action that involved "ignoring someone's lack of consideration?"

Do you think that if you repeat the action, you will likely be accused of being inconsiderate again?

Are you more likely to repeat the action because...

...you are more likely to be in a relevant situation?
...you are trying to prevent an escalating "cycle" of accusations? of being inconsiderate?
...you are trying to retaliate for what you feel is an unfair accusation?
...you benefit from being accused of being inconsiderate in this particular case?
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Who, me? or my accuser?? :-)
Well. originally I meant the former but now you ask ... I suppose both!! :-)

So was the accuser male? yes
Friend?yope Associate?yope Family? Stranger? Other?no to rest

Before Peter365 gets here I should just ask: anything to do with 80s music? REM? haha no

The "lack of consideration" action that you ignored:

...not listening to you? yesish
...not doing something for you? noish or yope
...doing something for you even though you didn't want him to? noish
...yelling at you?no talking too loudly?no getting in your way?noish
...something to do with money?no not paying for something?no not paying his full share?no a meal at a restaurant?no

The action you did that caused you to be accused of being inconsiderate:
I'm assuming on the following questions that you do not mean to ask whether I didn't listen to me, for example, so I will replace "you" with "him" when I answer
...not listening to you? noish
...not doing something for you? noish
...doing something for you even though you didn't want him to? no
...yelling at you?no talking too loudly?no getting in your way? no
...something to do with money?no not paying for something?no not paying his full share?no a meal at a restaurant?no
...not calling out the person who was originally inconsiderate towards you? yope

Was the accuser the same person as the first "someone"? yes

Was "the action which led to it" the same as the action that involved "ignoring someone's lack of consideration?" yes

Do you think that if you repeat the action, you will likely be accused of being inconsiderate again? yes

Are you more likely to repeat the action because...

...you are more likely to be in a relevant situation? no
...you are trying to prevent an escalating "cycle" of accusations?no of being inconsiderate? no
...you are trying to retaliate for what you feel is an unfair accusation? Yope? Possibly a yes except for the vengeful connotation of "retaliate"
...you benefit from being accused of being inconsiderate in this particular case?no
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was someone's lack of consideration toward you? toward another person? both? neither?
did you make an effort to ignore the lack of consideration, or was it your natural behavior?
would you normally speak up about the lack of consideration?
was the inconsiderate accuser a spouse? family? stranger? colleague? subordinate? elder? youth?
relevant how long after you ignored the behavior did the accusation come out?
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was someone's lack of consideration toward you? yes toward another person?no both? neither?
did you make an effort to ignore the lack of consideration, or was it your natural behavior?the latter
would you normally speak up about the lack of consideration?noish
was the inconsiderate accuser a spouse? family? stranger? colleague? subordinate? elder? youth?none of these
relevant how long after you ignored the behavior did the accusation come out?yope
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Were you face-to-face with him? or did you communicate by e-mail? by phone? by IM?
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Were you face-to-face with him?yes or did you communicate by e-mail?no by phone?yope or yesish by IM?no
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when you ignored a lack of consideration..
was another reaction expected of you?
was something specific expected?
did the individual who lacked consideration expect something different than your disregard?
is the judgement of another person relevant?
was it a common courtesy that was lacked?
was it a kind of negligence?
was the accusation a direct consequence of your behavior? or is there something relevant between your ignoring and the accusation?
was the accuser familiar with you?
would the accusation have been more acceptable coming from someone else? a stranger?
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Does "yope or yesish" for the phone mean that the way you ignored his behavior was by NOT calling him? not leaving a message when you did call?
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when you ignored a lack of consideration..
was another reaction expected of you? yes
was something specific expected? yes
did the individual who lacked consideration expect something different than your disregard?yes
is the judgement of another person relevant?yes
was it a common courtesy that was lacked? yope
was it a kind of negligence? noish
was the accusation a direct consequence of your behavior?yes or is there something relevant between your ignoring and the accusation? no
was the accuser familiar with you? yes
would the accusation have been more acceptable coming from someone else? yes a stranger?no

Does "yope or yesish" for the phone mean that the way you ignored his behavior was by NOT calling him?yes not leaving a message when you did call?no
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If you did call him, would it be a work-related conversation? community-related ( organizing a charity auction, for example ) ? a social chat ( a.k.a. yapping )? personal?
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If you did call him, would it be a work-related conversation?no community-related ( organizing a charity auction, for example ) ?no a social chat ( a.k.a. yapping )?possibly personal?as opposed to professional, yes
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regarding somoene's lack of consideration toward you.. did he...
forget you?
include you?
ignore you?
single you out?
shush you?
give you "silent treatment"
touch you?
not touch you?
offer to you?
take from you?
make a gesture?
make a face?
laugh?

connected to the lack of consideration, was there...
anything relevant?
a transaction?
a correspondence?
a conversation?
a signal?
an offering?
a meeting?
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regarding somoene's lack of consideration toward you.. did he...
forget you?no
include you?yope
ignore you?no
single you out?no
shush you?no
give you "silent treatment"no
touch you?no
not touch you?no
offer to you?yesish
take from you?no
make a gesture?no
make a face?no
laugh?no

connected to the lack of consideration, was there...
anything relevant?yes
a transaction?no
a correspondence?yes
a conversation?yope
a signal?no
an offering?yope
a meeting?no
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regarding someone's lack of consideration,
is there a relevant object? is a phone involved? another person relevant in that initial event?(other than you & he)
is there a relevant location in which the initial lack of consideration occured?
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regarding someone's lack of consideration,
is there a relevant object?see next answer is a phone involved?yes another person relevant in that initial event?no(other than you & he)
is there a relevant location in which the initial lack of consideration occured?yesish
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were you and he in 2 different locations when he lacked consideration?

is the phone relevant because that was your method of communication when he was inconsiderate? or is it relevant beyond that?
could he have done the same thing without a phone?
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were you and he in 2 different locations when he lacked consideration? yes

is the phone relevant because that was your method of communication when he was inconsiderate?yope or is it relevant beyond that?yope
could he have done the same thing without a phone?noish
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quote:

Were you face-to-face with him?yes or did you communicate by e-mail?no by phone?yope or yesish by IM?no



clarification needed at this point..
were you face-to-face and on the phone with him at the same time?
is it some kind of video conference?
or amm I just confused about the sequence?
was there one conversation on the phone and another face-to-face?
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quote:
Were you face-to-face with him?yes or did you communicate by e-mail?no by phone?yope or yesish by IM?no


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clarification needed at this point..
were you face-to-face and on the phone with him at the same time? no
is it some kind of video conference? no
or amm I just confused about the sequence? yes
was there one conversation on the phone and another face-to-face? yope

RECAP

Someone showed a lack of consideration towards me, and this act involved a phone. It was, however, only yopeishly a phone conversation. I ignored this lack of consideration, and because of this was accused of being inconsiderate in a face to face conversation with the same person. I resent this accusation, and am therefore now more likely to repeat the act which led to it.
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Was the other person's lack of consideration NOT calling you?
Were you accused of being inconsiderate because the other person was offended that you didn't seem to care that he didn't call?
Did he expect you to call him when he didn't call/be mad that he didn't call?
Was he offended that you didn't call to check up on him when he didn't call, because he could have been hurt/injured/dead/incapacitated as an excuse for not calling and you didn't check?
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Let's try this sequence:

He called your cell phone, but did not leave a message.
You knew that he called ( his number and time of call were recorded ), but because he did not leave a message you did not call back.
He told you face-to-face that it was inconsiderate of you not to return phone calls.
You think it is inconsiderate not to leave a message when one wants to be called back, so you are not going to return his ( or anyone else's ) calls with "blank" messages.
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Was the other person's lack of consideration NOT calling you?no
Were you accused of being inconsiderate because the other person was offended that you didn't seem to care that he didn't call?no
Did he expect you to call him when he didn't call/be mad that he didn't call?no
Was he offended that you didn't call to check up on him when he didn't call, because he could have been hurt/injured/dead/incapacitated as an excuse for not calling and you didn't check?no

Let's try this sequence:

He called your cell phone,yes but did not leave a message.no
You knew that he called ( his number and time of call were recorded ),yes but because he did not leave a message no you did not call back.yes
He told you face-to-face that it was inconsiderate of you not to return phone calls.yes
You think it is inconsiderate not to leave a message when one wants to be called back,true, but not relevant to the puzzle so you are not going to return his yes ( or anyone else's no) calls with "blank" messages.except this part.
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so..
this does not start with you calling his cell, right?
he called your cell and spoke to you live? did not speak to you live?
did you pick up a phone in response to its ringing? hear his voice? he heard your voice?
is signal reception relevant?
getting cut off?
is being preoccupied with something while talking on the cell rel.? driving?
did he drop your call to pick up another call?
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so..
this does not start with you calling his cell, right?right
he called your cell and spoke to you live?no did not speak to you live?yes
did you pick up a phone in response to its ringing?no hear his voice?yes he heard your voice?no
is signal reception relevant?yes
getting cut off?no
is being preoccupied with something while talking on the cell rel.?no driving?no
did he drop your call to pick up another call?no
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did you hear his voice live? like a walkie-talkie call?
text messages relevant?
other technology?
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did you hear his voice live?no like a walkie-talkie call?no
text messages relevant?no
other technology?no
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Hmm I'm still trying to explore the initial part of the puzzle.. not sure if this has been elliminated yet..

did he initially call you... you didn't/couldn't pick up.. then he left a message? then you listened to the message?

if the above is valid.. did his initial lack of consideration lie within?
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Hmm I'm still trying to explore the initial part of the puzzle.. not sure if this has been elliminated yet..

did he initially call you... you didn't/couldn't pick up.. then he left a message? then you listened to the message? all correct.

if the above is valid.. did his initial lack of consideration lie within?yes
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Did he know where you were when he called? Did he know what you were doing? Did he know that you had your phone with you? That you didn't have your phone?
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Did he know where you were when he called?yope Did he know what you were doing?yope Did he know that you had your phone with you?no That you didn't have your phone?no
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Were you somewhere you couldn't answer the phone (e. g. movies/theater etc.)? Or in a place where you couldn't get reception? Roaming relevant?
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Were you somewhere you couldn't answer the phone (e. g. movies/theater etc.)?no Or in a place where you couldn't get reception?yope Roaming relevant?no
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In the phone message, did he offer something to you?
something you didn't need? already had?
in the message is there a mention of a relevant object?
was there an offering of help? advice?
did he offer you something he knew you didn't need?
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In the phone message, did he offer something to you? yes, for svv of something
something you didn't need?yesish already had?no
in the message is there a mention of a relevant object? no
was there an offering of help?no advice?no
did he offer you something he knew you didn't need?yope
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the offering is the inconsiderate part?
did he offer a person?
were you the offering?

still regarding the beginning of the puzzle..
is it relevant where you were when he called?
is it relevant where he was when he called?
could the same example of consideration deficit have ocurred if you had picked up the phone when he called?
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the offering is the inconsiderate part?yope
did he offer a person? no
were you the offering? no

still regarding the beginning of the puzzle..
is it relevant where you were when he called? yesish
is it relevant where he was when he called?no
could the same example of consideration deficit have ocurred if you had picked up the phone when he called?yes, but...
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was he expecting you to be someplace?
were you to meet him?
was anyone supposed to meet?
is any plan relevant to the cell correspondence? coordinating something?
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was he expecting you to be someplace? no
were you to meet him? no
was anyone supposed to meet? no
is any plan relevant to the cell correspondence?yes coordinating something?no
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did the plan involve an exchange or trade of any kind?
relevant whether you were expecting the call?
was he expecting a return call? a return voicemail?
is a transfer of information relevant?
is signal strength relevant beyond the fact that you could not receive the call?
were you expected to accept or decline something?
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did the plan involve an exchange or trade of any kind? no
relevant whether you were expecting the call?yes
was he expecting a return call?yes a return voicemail? possibly
is a transfer of information relevant?no..ish?
is signal strength relevant beyond the fact that you could not receive the call? noish
were you expected to accept or decline something?yes
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do any fundamental elements of setting need to be discovered?
where you were?
where he was?
is more than one place relevant?
what you were doing?
what he was doing?
any person's health?
other players in the puzzle? animals? objects?
weather? other conditions?
other fundamentals?
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do any fundamental elements of setting need to be discovered? yope
where you were? yope
where he was? no
is more than one place relevant? noish
what you were doing? yesish
what he was doing? no
any person's health? no
other players in the puzzle? no animals? objects?
weather? other conditions?
other fundamentals?
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is your location when the initial call was made relevant? or at any time before? after?

were you..
indoors? outdoors?
with other people? person? other strangers? others familiar to you?
engaged in any activity? leisure? exercise? working around the house? helping a friend? walking the dog?
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is your location when the initial call was made relevant?yesish or at any time before?yesish after?yesish

were you..
indoors?somewhat/sometimes this outdoors? mostly this
with other people?NO, and very relevant person?no other strangers?no others familiar to you?no
engaged in any activity?yes leisure?YES exercise?yope working around the house?NO helping a friend?no walking the dog?no
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Hiking? Camping? Backpacking?
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is it relevant who, specifically you were not with?
were you finding solitude?

are you aware of exactly where you were when the message was left?

does absence of cell signal give us any kind of clue as to your location?

relevant whether the caller knew you were alone? expected you to be alone?
wanted to join you?
did you intend to do this leisure activity alone?
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Hiking? Camping? Backpacking? all of the above

is it relevant who, specifically you were not with? noish
were you finding solitude? yes

are you aware of exactly where you were when the message was left? no

does absence of cell signal give us any kind of clue as to your location? exact location is unneccesary. It's enough to know that I was hiking and camping where there was no signal. It happened to me in the mountains of north Georgia.

relevant whether the caller knew you were alone? yesish expected you to be alone? yes
wanted to join you? yope
did you intend to do this leisure activity alone?yes
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did he know where you were?
was he worried?

Were you expecting his call?
Did he know you wanted to be alone?
Did he have a problem with someone wanting to be alone?
was he trying to "rescue" you with some other diversion?
did you discuss your trip with him in advance of the call?
did he want you to do something other than what you were doing?
relevant how long it took for you to get a signal and then hear the message?

is hypocrisy a relevant ingredient of any acts of inconsideration in the puzzle?
if yes, hypocrisy on his part? yours?
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Does the following come close?
He wronged you in some way, leading to you seeking personal space / solitude in the mountains rather than confront the issue and fight. This was you "ignoring his lack of consideration". He called you inconsiderate for not talking it out, and ignoring him, and being unreachable making him worried. This was the "accusation". But this only disappointed and angered you more, and so you'd probably deal with it the same way, seeking alone-time. This is the action you'd likely repeat.

New to the puzzle so my apologies if I didn't consider a previous answer and this is way off.
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did he know where you were? yope
was he worried? no

Were you expecting his call? no
Did he know you wanted to be alone? yes
Did he have a problem with someone wanting to be alone? apparently.
was he trying to "rescue" you with some other diversion? no
did you discuss your trip with him in advance of the call? yes
did he want you to do something other than what you were doing? yes
relevant how long it took for you to get a signal and then hear the message? yesish

is hypocrisy a relevant ingredient of any acts of inconsideration in the puzzle? yope
if yes, hypocrisy on his part? yes yours? I don't think so!

Does the following come close?
He wronged you in some way,no leading to you seeking personal space / solitude in the mountains yes rather than confront the issue and fight.no This was you "ignoring his lack of consideration".no He called you inconsiderate for not talking it out, and ignoring him,no and being unreachable making him worried. This was the "accusation".yope But this only disappointed and angered you more,yes and so you'd probably deal with it the same way,yes seeking alone-time.no This is the action you'd likely repeat. yope

New to the puzzle so my apologies if I didn't consider a previous answer and this is way off. not way off, but not right either!
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Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 10:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm not sure I understand, so I'll ask for clarification: he thought you were inconsiderate for being in an area without cell coverage? Or for not returning his message? Or was it something else? That you went at all? That you weren't at his beck-and-call?
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I'm not sure I understand, so I'll ask for clarification: he thought you were inconsiderate for being in an area without cell coverage?no Or for not returning his message?yes Or was it something else?no That you went at all?no That you weren't at his beck-and-call?Well, no. But it seems that way to me!
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Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 4:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I feel there might be pieces missing but..
Your friend wanted to do something together... but you wanted some time to yourself, you told him that you just want to go camping up in the remote mountains. He probably said "don't forget your cell, there's lions and tigers out there" you said "of course!"
Off you go camping and galavanting solo in the remote beautiful mt.s of GA.
when you return you find a message from him that he got tickets to a cool show (or something).. "much better than camping.. call back right away!"
then probably another message " been 24 hrs.. still haven't heard from you.. I'm dissapointed this is downright inconsiderate!"
You, in turn think its inconsiderate to expect a return call from you, given what you told him in advance.
Next time you are just going to leave the cell at home or in the car because the idea is to be alone and besides ....you don't get a signal anyway!
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I feel there might be pieces missing but..
Your friend wanted to do something together... but you wanted some time to yourself, you told him that you just want to go camping up in the remote mountains. He probably said "don't forget your cell, there's lions and tigers out there" you said "of course!"
Off you go camping and galavanting solo in the remote beautiful mt.s of GA.
when you return you find a message from him that he got tickets to a cool show (or something).. "much better than camping.. call back right away!"
then probably another message " been 24 hrs.. still haven't heard from you.. I'm dissapointed this is downright inconsiderate!"
You, in turn think its inconsiderate to expect a return call from you, given what you told him in advance.
Next time you are just going to leave the cell at home or in the car because the idea is to be alone and besides ....you don't get a signal anyway!

Not perfect, but close enough for a SPOILER...

After a long stressful summer at work and heading into what I knew would be a long stressful fall, I took a week of vacation time. What I really wanted was quiet time to myself. I planned to make no plans. To get in the car and drive to a nice spot. Camp wherever I happened to be, and move on. I brought nothing but necessities, plus a book, a sketchbook and a camera. I was excited about the alone time. I let every one of my friends and family members know this so that they didn't bother me and so that they didn't worry. I also let everyone know that I would periodically call my mother when I had reception or use a pay phone so that someone would know I was all right.
Everyone got the point, and not a single person called me for the entire week (WOW) other than John.

John is an acquantaince of mine; a friend, I guess, but not a good friend. We're both regulars at the same pub, but, he's made it clear that he wants to date me, and I've made it clear that I don't want to date him which has caused some tense feelings. Anyway, like everyone else, I let him know what I was doing for my vacation time. I emphasized the desire to be alone and to not plan anything, and to stay away from Athens (home).

So, I recieved a message from John on the Wednesday of my week trip. I actually wasn't able to listen to it until Saturday, but in the message John was wanting to know if I would join him at a concert in Athens on Saturday night. I found it quite inconsiderate that he would 1)call me when I wanted alone time, 2)ask me to make plans when I was trying to be spontaneous, 3)ask me to come home when I wanted to be away.
I didn't call John back. Instead, I ignored the fact that he had even called me. After all, he shouldn't even expect me to be able to get the message knowing that I'd be out of town camping.

I see John most Tuesdays at the pub. The Tuesday after my vacation John went off on a rant accusing me of (and he used all of these words) being inconsiderate, being below his standards, playing mind games with him, and being immature...for not calling him back.

Well, the hypocrisy and disrespect he showed me have made one thing certain...I wont be returning any calls from him from now on.

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