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Posted on Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 5:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The district attorney behaved reasonably in indicting Iolanthe for mudrder, even though she did not confess, there was no physical or circumstantial evidene linking her to the crime & no eyewitness testimony against her. How come??
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Is her name relevant? her motive?
Did he actually suspect that she'd done it? had she?
Is it relevant who was murdered? Someone related to Iolanthe? her husband? wife? child? mother? father? a friend? coworker? business associate? complete stranger?
Was the indictment intended to affect someone else's behaviour? that of the actual murder?
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Is her name relevant? No, although I realize that vthis is a reasonable question, soince names so often play a large part in my puzzles her motive?
Did he actually suspect that she'd done it? yes had she? yes
Is it relevant who was murdered? yope Someone related to Iolanthe? possibly but not necessarily her husband? ditto wife? ditto child? ditto mother? ditto father? ditto a friend? dittocoworker? ditto business associate? ditto complete stranger? very unlikely
Was the indictment intended to affect someone else's behaviour? nothat of the actual murder? no
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Did the DA know that she'd done it?
Did she have some relevant link with the victim?
Is her motive relevant? (you didn't answer that one..)
Is it relevant how the murderee was murdered? stabbing? gunshot? poison?
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Did the DA know that she'd done it?Well, he had reason to believe this,
Did she have some relevant link with the victim? no
Is her motive relevant? no (you didn't answer that one..) Sorry!!
Is it relevant how the murderee was murdered? no stabbing? gunshot? poison?
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Nothing to do with the House of Lords? a fairy? G+S?
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Is her name relevant? her motive?
Did he actually suspect that she'd done it? had she?
Is it relevant who was murdered? Someone related to Iolanthe? her husband? wife? child? mother? father? a friend? coworker? business associate? complete stranger?
Was the indictment intended to affect someone else's behaviour? that of the actual murder?
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A bit puzzled as to why Bentarm asked his questions again :-D but I'm sure there's a perfectly good reason!

Was Iolanthe found at the scene of the crime?
Was the body of the victim discovered? Was Iolanthe present when the body was discovered?
Was the indictment almost immediately after the murder occurred?

Was it somehow certain that Iolanthe was the only one who could have possibly been present at the scene of the crime at the time of them murder?

Did any sort of investigation indirectly point to Iolanthe? Or was it obvious from first sight? Was it only the DA who "knew" it had to be Iolanthe, or was it obvious to everyone who knew? What they / the DA "knew" that led to Iolanthe--> the victim? Iolanthe herself? some other fact about the murder?

Since there is evidence at all, if the DA were to present his case to the judge, would the case have any legal basis at all? Would it be beyond reasonable doubt that Iolanthe had committed the murder?

Was the DA confident of convicting Iolanthe based on his thoery as to what happened? Or was he himself certain she had done it, and indicted her in the hope that incriminating evidence would surface to ensure her conviction?
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Opportunity relevant?
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Is Iolanthe's profession relevant?

Was there a lack of physical evidence on the body or just none that pointed at Iolanthe's guilt? Come to think of it was the body actually found or is the victim missing presumed dead?

Iolanthe is actually guilty of the crime right? if so had she killed before? is this murder part of a serial? did other similar killings emit evidence that confirmed Iolanthe's guilt in this case?

Was the DA confident that a jury would convict? Did the case actually go to trial and if so is this relevant or is it simply finding out why she was indicted in the first place?

btw how does one pronounce Iolanthe
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Is this a real case? Is the district attourney actually prosecuting Iolanthe? Are you just using fancy legal terms to distract us from the fact that this is more innocent than it seems? Trying to distract us from all the mispelled words? I.e. Were they playing a game of Clue? Some other game? Are the mispelled words actually a clue? Was this a television show? A movie? Was the DA a fan of Murder She Wrote and thus immediately knew that the person you'd least suspect, with no obvious motive, etc. HAD to be the murderer?

If this was a real murder case...
Had the DA already eliminated all other possible suspects and thus Iolanthe was the only one who remained?
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Peter - eye o LAN thee with the "th" as in thief or teeth is the way I've heard it.
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Nothing to do with the House of Lords? no a fairy? no G+S? no
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A bit puzzled as to why Bentarm asked his questions again :-D but I'm sure there's a perfectly good reason!

Was Iolanthe found at the scene of the crime? no
Was the body of the victim discovered? noWas Iolanthe present when the body was discovered? see previous answer
Was the indictment almost immediately after the murder occurred? irrel

Was it somehow certain that Iolanthe was the only one who could have possibly been present at the scene of the crime at the time of them murder? no

Did any sort of investigation indirectly point to Iolanthe? yes Or was it obvious from first sight? noWas it only the DA who "knew" it had to be Iolanthe no, or was it obvious to everyone who knew? no{ theWhat they / the DA "knew" that led to Iolanthe--> the victim? no
Iolanthe herself? yes some other fact about the murder? no

Since there is evidence at all, if the DA were to present his case to the judge, would the case have any legal basis at all? yes Would it be beyond reasonable doubt that Iolanthe had committed the murder? depends on what you consider reasonable doubt

Was the DA confident of convicting Iolanthe based on his thoery as to what happened? possiblyOr was he himself certain she had done it, and indicted her in the hope that incriminating evidence would surface to ensure her conviction? possibly
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Opportunity relevant?
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Is Iolanthe's profession relevant? no

Was there a lack of physical evidence on the body or just none that pointed at Iolanthe's guilt? see earlier--the body was not found Come to think of it was the body actually found or is the victim missing presumed dead? the latter

Iolanthe is actually guilty of the crime right? yes if so had she killed before? no is this murder part of a serial? did other similar killings emit evidence that confirmed Iolanthe's guilt in this case? no

Was the DA confident that a jury would convict? ppossibly Did the case actually go to trial and if so is this relevant or is it simply finding out why she was indicted in the first place? the latter
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Opportunity relevant? no
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Is this a real case? noIs the district attourney actually prosecuting Iolanthe? Well, in my made-up case, sure Are you just using fancy legal terms to distract us from the fact that this is more innocent than it seems? No, those are the terms I'm used to from years of watching "Lasw & Order" Trying to distract us from all the mispelled words? noI.e. Were they playing a game of Clue? noSome other game? no
Are the mispelled words actually a clue? no Was this a television show? no A movie? no Was the DA a fan of Murder She Wrote and thus immediately knew that the person you'd least suspect, with no obvious motive, etc. HAD to be the murderer? no

If this was a real murder case...
Had the DA already eliminated all other possible suspects and thus Iolanthe was the only one who remained? no
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Given no body was found, is it relevant how the DA knows that someone has been murdered?
Did Iolanthe know something about the case that only the murderer could possibly have known?
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Given no body was found, is it relevant how the DA knows that someone has been murdered? yes
Did Iolanthe know something about the case that only the murderer could possibly have known? yesish
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Did Iolanthe say anything relevant at any point?
Did she reveal something about the victim to the DA? Did she ever claim to have psychic powers?
Is it relevant where the murder took place? Was there anything left at the murder scene which indicated someone had died? Is the identity of the victim relevant apart from their relationship with Iolanthe? were they well-known? is their job relevant?
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Did Iolanthe say anything relevant at any point? yes
Did she reveal something about the victim to the DA? yesish Did she ever claim to have psychic powers? no
Is it relevant where the murder took place? no Was there anything left at the murder scene which indicated someone had died? no Is the identity of the victim relevant apart from their relationship with Iolanthe? no were they well-known? irrelis their job relevant? no
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If Iolanthe had never said anything, would the DA have known about the murder?
Would he have known the missing person was missing?
Did she say something which revealed that she knew the person was dead? that she assumed the person was dead? Was she talking to the DA? If so, relevant why?
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If Iolanthe had never said anything, would the DA have known about the murder? possibly
Would he have known the missing person was missing? yes
Did she say something which revealed that she knew the person was dead? yes that she assumed the person was dead? yes Was she talking to the DA?no If so, relevant why?
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Was she talking to a police officer? to a lawyer?
Was she protesting her innocence of a certain crime? of the murder?
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Was she talking to a police officer? yes to a lawyer? no
Was she protesting her innocence of a certain crime? no of the murder? no
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Was the murder victim originally thought to be a suicide? Were the police the first on the site and nobody else should have been able to see what had happened? Did Iolanthe say something along the lines of "I can't believe SoandSo hung themselves." when delivering her statement to the investigating officer (usually cause of death is not given out until long after the autopsy)? Or drop some other clue to the effect that she knew more than was in the newspapers or anybody who hadn't been on site?
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When she was talking with a police officer, was it ostensibly in connection with the missing person?
Is it relevant why she was talking to the police officer? Did she know the person was missing before having been told? imply that they were dead when she had no real reason to suppose they were anything more than just missing?
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Was the murder victim originally thought to be a suicide? noWere the police the first on the site and nobody else should have been able to see what had happened? no Did Iolanthe say something along the lines of "I can't believe SoandSo hung themselves." when delivering her statement to the investigating officer (usually cause of death is not given out until long after the autopsy)? no Or drop some other clue to the effect that she knew more than was in the newspapersyes or anybody who hadn't been on site? no
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When she was talking with a police officer, was it ostensibly in connection with the missing person?\b{ yes}
Is it relevant why she was talking to the police officer? yesDid she know the person was missing before having been told? no imply that they were dead when she had no real reason to suppose they were anything more than just missing? yes. Now it should be easy to figure out how!!
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Did she talk about them in the past tense? Or just say something like, "I can't believe they're dead"? Talk about some consequence that would now happen which would only happen if they're dead?
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Did she talk about them in the past tense?yes Or just say something like, "I can't believe they're dead"?no Talk about some consequence that would now happen which would only happen if they're dead? no

********* SPOILER *************
Well, I was afraid this would be too easy.When Iolanthe's neighbor disappeared, Iolanthe was one of the people the police interviewed & she gave herself away by talking about the neighbor in the past tense. I'm putting a harder puzzle at the bottom of the page, well, I hope it's harder.

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