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Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 6:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lionel was just being a good father & breaking no law, but his activity got him arrested. How come??
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Father = man with children? Priest? Assuming the former, relevant how many children he had? Age(s) of the child(ren)? Was one or more child present when he performed the activity? Was he the only person arrested at that time? Was he falsely/mistakenly arrested?
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Father = man with children? yes Priest? no Assuming the former, relevant how many children he had? no Age(s) of the child(ren)?just as long as they're children & not "adult children" Was one or more child present when he performed the activity? yes Was he the only person arrested at that time? yes Was he falsely/mistakenly arrested? yes
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Was he arrested by police? Did they think he had committed a crime? A crime involving the child? Did they realise it was his child? Relevant?
Relevant if the child was a boy or a girl?
By being a good father, was Lionel helping out his child? Showing love to his child? Relevant who the children's mother is? Lionel's wife/girlfriend? Ex-wife/girlfriend?
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Was he arrested by police? yes Did they think he had committed a crime? yope A crime involving the child? yes Did they realise it was his child? no Relevant? yes
Relevant if the child was a boy or a girl? no
By being a good father, was Lionel helping out his child? see next answer| Showing love to his child? yesish Relevant who the children's mother is? no Lionel's wife/girlfriend? irrel Ex-wife/girlfriend?
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Did Lionel appear to be breaking a law?
Did he appear to be hurting the child? Kidnapping the child? Did the child run away? Or were they just left standing there when Lionel was arrested? Would Lionel have been convicted? Once they found out the child was his would they have let him go? Relevant where Lionel was when he performed the activity? Was he arrested in the same place that he performed it?
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Did Lionel appear to be breaking a law?yesish
Did he appear to be hurting the child? no Kidnapping the child? possibly but not necessarily Did the child run away? no Or were they just left standing there when Lionel was arrested? yes Would Lionel have been convicted? no Once they found out the child was his would they have let him go? yes Relevant where Lionel was when he performed the activity? yes Was he arrested in the same place that he performed it? yes
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was he holding the child? was the child making a fuss? screaming? having a tantrum? telling him to let him/her go?
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Was the child a different race from the father, or look like he was?
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was he holding the child? was the child making a fuss? screaming? having a tantrum? telling him to let him/her go? no to all
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Was the child a different race from the father, or look like he was? no
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Would the father have been thought of as a pedophile had the police not known that the boy was his son? Was the father clicking photographs of his son? Was he arrested on account of child abuse?
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Would the father have been thought of as a pedophile had the police not known that the boy was his son?possibly Was the father clicking photographs of his son? no Was he arrested on account of child abuse yes
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Was the father hugging his son? Or doing something that hurt his son physically? Did the father slap his son? Thump him on the back? Yank his arm? Or anything similar?
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Was he disciplining his son in some way?
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important which continent--n. america? s. america? africa? australia? europe? asia?

important which country this happened in? u.s.? south korea? wild guesses, but india or sweden by any chance?
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Was the father hugging his son? no Or doing something that hurt his son physically? no Did the father slap his son? no Thump him on the back? no Yank his arm? no Or anything similar? no
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Was he disciplining his son in some way? no
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important which continent--n. america? s. america? africa? australia? europe? asia?In fact, the US. I'm not sure just where else it would happen but my GUESS is that Europe is the only other continent that's even a possibility

important which country this happened in? some countries are much more likely than others u.s.? This is a true story & it happened in the US south korea? I doubt it would happen in South Korea wild guesses, but india I doubt it would happen in India or sweden I don't know whether it could happen in Sweden by any chance
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was he physically touching his son? patting him? giving him a high five?

or was he touching him with an object?

was the father congratulating the son for something he did?

was this sports related?

did the son look upset at what the father had done? pleased? happy?

did people mistakenly think the son was upset?
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was he physically touching his son? no patting him? nogiving him a high five?no

or was he touching him with an object? no

was the father congratulating the son for something he did? no

was this sports related? no

did the son look upset at what the father had done? no pleased? possibly happy?possibly

did people mistakenly think the son was upset? no
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Was he trying to amuse his son by doing something? So his son was simply watching him?

Was he mimicing something or someone? Performing some sort of trick? magic? slapstick?

Were they in a public place? a park? a zoo?
at home? school? an ice rink?

Did it appear at first sight that he was doing something obscene in front of the child? So the "abuse" was emotional or mental? Or did it appear thath e was about to do something physical?

Is there anything particular about the father or the son we need to uncover? physical or mental attributes?

The fact that it could only happen in certain countries... to do with the law there? skin colour? language? weather? regional humor / tradition / customs?
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Was the father trying to offer alternative sex education to the kid through unorthodox means? (i.e. Porn, strip club, etc.)

Was the child already injured from something? Was the dad observed giving him alcohol? For pain? To disinfect the injury? For a cold?

Did the father utilize a controlled substance to try and help his child? Is this something that only parents can normally only do in their own home?
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Was he trying to amuse his son by doing something?see next answer So his son was simply watching him?no`

Was he mimicing something or someone? no Performing some sort of trick? no magic? no slapstick? no

Were they in a public place? yes a park?yope a zoo? no
at home? no school? no an ice rink? no

Did it appear at first sight that he was doing something obscene in front of the child? no So the "abuse" was emotional or mental? noOr did it appear thath e was about to do something physical? yes

Is there anything particular about the father or the son we need to uncover? physical or mental attributes?

The fact that it could only happen in certain countries... to do with the law there? yesish skin colour? no language? no weather? noregional humor no / tradition / customs? yesish
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Was the father trying to offer alternative sex education to the kid through unorthodox means? no (i.e. Porn, strip club, etc.)

Was the child already injured from something? no Was the dad observed giving him alcohol? no For pain? no To disinfect the injury? no For a cold? no

Did the father utilize a controlled substance to try and help his child? no Is this somthing that only parents can normally only do in their own home? no
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did Lionel give his son anything?

is it reevant that children are told not to talk to strangers?

did someone call the police?
the child?
surrounding people who saw lionel?
were the police already there?

is it relevant where they were at other than in a public area?

was he arrested for physical abuse? mental abuse?emotional abuse?

once the police heard his story, was he able to go free?

was the child int trouble for doing something wrong?
if so, relevant what?

would the child's mom have done the same thing?
would any dad do this?
a babysitter?
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did Lionel give his son anything? no

is it reevant that children are told not to talk to strangers? noish

did someone call the police? yes
the child? no
surrounding people who saw lionel? yes
were the police already there? no

is it relevant where they were at other than in a public area? yes

was he arrested for physical abuse? yesish mental abuse? noishemotional abuse? yope

once the police heard his story, was he able to go free? yes

was the child int trouble for doing something wrong? no
if so, relevant what? no

would the child's mom have done the same thing?possibly
would any dad do this? no
a babysitter? possibly
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Was the father holding his son? holding him above the ground? in contact with him?
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Was the father holding his son? no holding him above the ground? no in contact with him? not physically touching, but they were together
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Is the date relevant? season? month? day of the week? time of day? Is it a holiday?

The fact that it is likely to happen only in US or Europe...relevant to when or where the action is happening?
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Is the date relevant? no season? no month? no day of the week? no time of day? yes Is it a holiday? irrel

The fact that it is likely to happen only in US or Europe...relevant to when or where the action is happening? As opposed to what else??
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Did Lionel say anything relevant?
Did the child say anything relevant?

so was it nighttime? morning? around noon? afternoon?evening?

I think what Lporter meant was the place this happened is only present in the US or in Europe.
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Did Lionel say anything relevant?not before he was arrested
Did the child say anything relevant? ditto

so was it nighttime? morning? around noon? afternoon?evening? it could have been anytime during the day or evening--not nighttime

I think what Lporter meant was the place this happened is only present in the US or in Europe. it isn't
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Was Lionel's appearance relevant to why he was arrested? Was he wearing a uniform? costume?
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Was Lionel's appearance relevant to why he was arrested? no Was he wearing a uniform? nocostume? no
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Is Lionel from a foreign country? Is the "tradition/custom" an American thing?

Did Lionel have his child on a leash? or otherwise restrained?

Was the child doing any activity of relevance?
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Is Lionel from a foreign country? irrel Is the "tradition/custom" an American thing? not just American

Did Lionel have his child on a leash? no or otherwise restrained? no

Was the child doing any activity of relevance? yesish
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Any animals involved?
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Any animals involved? no non-human ones!!
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was the child acting like an animal?
the father acting like an animal?
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was the child acting like an animal?not like a non-human one
the father acting like an animal? ditto
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By being a good father, was Lionel assisting his son? teaching his son? entertaining his son? disciplining his son? protecting his son?

The place where this occurred-were Lionel and his son there for entertainment? for exercise? to run an errand? because they were required by law to be there? some other reason?
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By being a good father, was Lionel assisting his son? no teaching his son? noish or yope entertaining his son? yesish disciplining his son? noprotecting his son? no

The place where this occurred-were Lionel and his son there for entertainment? yesish for exercise? no to run an errand? nobecause they were required by law to be there? nosome other reason? no
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Were they at...

an amusement park?
the beach?
a public swimming pool?
a ski resort?
a ballpark?
an outdoor festival or carnival?
a parade?

Relevant what Lionel was wearing? what his son was wearing?
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Were they at...

an amusement park?
the beach?
a public swimming pool?
a ski resort?
a ballpark?
an outdoor festival or carnival?
a parade? none of the above!!

Relevant what Lionel was wearing? what his son was wearing? Just that they were dressed appropriately for their whereabouts--their clothing was not a reason for the arrest
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Were they playing a game?
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Were they playing a game?no
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Was Lionel laying? sitting? standing? walking? running? irrelevant?

Was the child laying? sitting? standing? walking? running? irrelevant?
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Was Lionel laying? sitting? standing? walking? running? irrelevant? walking & it's relevant

Was the child laying? sitting? standing? walking? running? irrelevant? walking & it's relevant
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Was Lionel carrying anything?
Was the child carrying anything?

Were they walking together?

Was Lionel walking in front of the child? behind the child? beside the child? toward the child? away from the child? irrelevant?
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Was Lionel carrying anything? no
Was the child carrying anything? no

Were they walking together? yes

Was Lionel walking in front of the child? no behind the child? no beside the child? yes toward the child? no away from the child? no irrelevant? no
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Were they in a place where a parent would not normally take a child?

Is there a relevant reason why the observers (those who called the police)assumed that Lionel was not the child's father?

Did Lionel appear to possess any material objects of relevance? Did the child?
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Were they in a place where a parent would not normally take a child? no

Is there a relevant reason why the observers (those who called the police)assumed that Lionel was not the child's father? yope

Did Lionel appear to possess any material objects of relevance no Did the child? no
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Did Lionel have any prior arrests? Was he a registered sex offender?
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Did Lionel have any prior arrests? no Was he a registered sex offender? no
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Were they at the zoo?
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Had the child been reported missing?

Did the people who called the police know Lionel? or anything about him? Did they know the child?

Were Lionel and the child alone?
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Had the child been reported missing? no

Did the people who called the police know Lionel? no or anything about him? no Did they know the child? no

Were Lionel and the child alone?yes, in the sense that they had no companions with them. People saw them, though
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Did the child run away? And Lionel was retrieving him? Found him?
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Did the child run away? no And Lionel was retrieving him? no Found him? no
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What people saw... or thought they saw... something...
Abusive?
Lewd?
Inappropriate?
Dangerous?
Uncivilized?
Illegal?

If these people had known that Lionel was the child's father, would they still have called the police?
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was the child handicapped in any way?
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What people saw... or thought they saw... something...
Abusive?
Lewd?
Inappropriate?
Dangerous?
Uncivilized?
Illegal? yes to all

If these people had known that Lionel was the child's father, would they still have called the police? no
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was the child handicapped in any way? no
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So Lionel and his child are walking side-by-side, outdoors, in a public place, dressed appropriately, not carrying anything inappropriate and not physically touching each other, yet something about the situation appeared to be inappropriate. Any false assumptions in this statement?

Was Lionel walking upright (as opposed to on all fours)? the child?

Was Lionel making any noise? the child?

Was the child human?

Did people think that Lionel was not the child's father because of his apparent age?

Was Lionel handicapped? physically? mentally?

Did they have to pay an admission fee to be in this place?
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Were the father and child connected/touching in any way?

Did the father have the child on a leash of some sort? One of those toddler harnesses? Something that has a similar effect? But was made out of something that looks wrong?
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were they both walking on the ground in a safe manner?
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So Lionel and his child are walking side-by-side, outdoors, in a public place, dressed appropriately, not carrying anything inappropriate and not physically touching each other, yet something about the situation appeared to be inappropriate. Any false assumptions in this statement? no

Was Lionel walking upright (as opposed to on all fours)? yes the child? yes

Was Lionel making any noise? no the child? no

Was the child human? yes

Did people think that Lionel was not the child's father because of his apparent age? no

Was Lionel handicapped? no physically? no mentally? no

Did they have to pay an admission fee to be in this place? no
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Were the father and child connected/touching in any way?

Did the father have the child on a leash of some sort? no One of those toddler harnesses? no Something that has a similar effect? no But was made out of something that looks wrong? no
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were they both walking on the ground in a safe manner? yes
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Were they walking someplace they shouldn't have been? I.e. do not step on the grass? Do not pet the scorpions? Do not feed the lions?
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Were they at a nudist colony???
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was lionel taking pictures?
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Were they walking someplace they shouldn't have been? I.e. do not step on the grass? no Do not pet the scorpions? no Do not feed the lions? no
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Were they at a nudist colony??? no
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was lionel taking pictures? no
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were they at an amusement park, such as disney?
is lionels profession relevant?
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Is there anything unusual about Lionel's appearance? the child's?
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were they at an amusement park, such as disney? no
is lionels profession relevant? no
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Is there anything unusual about Lionel's appearance? no the child's? no
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Is it a particular action of Lionel's that got him arrested? Or was it a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Was he arrested because it appeared as though he had done something wrong? was about to do something wrong? was in the process of doing something wrong?

Is this a case of mistaken identity? Lionel's? the child's?
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Is it a particular action of Lionel's that got him arrested? yope Or was it a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time? more like the latter

Was he arrested because it appeared as though he had done something wrong?no was about to do something wrong? yes was in the process of doing something wrong? yope

Is this a case of mistaken identity? no Lionel's? no the child's? no
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So they were outside. Is it relevant that they were near a particular place (e.g. outside of a church, school, hospital)?
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sorry if repeat questions: was the child acting as if Lionel was not his father? maybe screaming/yelling? trying to get away?

did the child look scared? unhappy?

was the father getting ready to do something dangerous?

crazy guess but, were they at a zoo, possibly? maybe lionel had child too close to an enclosure?
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did lionel have anything in his hands?did the child?
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So they were outside. Is it relevant that they were near a particular place (e.g. outside of a church, school, hospital)? yes, but none of your examples are it
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sorry if repeat questions: was the child acting as if Lionel was not his father? no maybe screaming/yelling? no trying to get away? no

did the child look scared? no unhappy? no

was the father getting ready to do something dangerous? no

crazy guess but, were they at a zoo, possibly? no maybe lionel had child too close to an enclosure? no
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did lionel have anything in his hands?nodid the child? no
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Were they outside of a...

museum?
library?
day care center?
movie theater?
police station?
post office?
shopping mall?
municipal building?
train station?
bus depot?
airport?
nightclub or bar?
adult book store?
truck stop?

Was it a public facility?
Would you pay admission to go there?
Would you go there for entertainment?
Could you purchase something there?
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Were they outside of a...

museum?
library?
day care center?
movie theater?
police station?
post office?
shopping mall?
municipal building?
train station?
bus depot?
airport?
nightclub or bar?
adult book store?
truck stop?no to all!!!!

Was it a public facility? yes
Would you pay admission to go there? no
Would you go there for entertainment? yes, inthe sense of recreation
Could you purchase something there? no
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Is the place a building? a series of buildings?

Were Lionel and his son going into the place? coming from the place? just passing by?

Did they appear to be going into the place? coming from the place?

Is the place somewhere a father would take a child? Is it a place that people would normally visit?
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was there a body of water? camp ground? rock quarry?was there a fence?
are others often arrested at this place?
is this place somewhere that crowds would gather?
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were they trespassing?
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Is the place a building? noa series of buildings? no

Were Lionel and his son going into the place?yes coming from the place?
no just passing by? no

Did they appear to be going into the place?yes coming from the place? no

Is the place somewhere a father would take a child?Many perfect;ly "normal" fathers would Is it a place that people would normally visit? Well, there's nothing abnormal about visiting it, although not everyone would be interested in so doing. Many people would.
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was there a body of water? no camp ground? no rock quarry? nowas there a fence? no
are others often arrested at this place? no
is this place somewhere that crowds would gather?possibly
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were they trespassing? no
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is the place a cemetary?playground?
was the place they were going into, an outside place?
was lionel doing or going to do something that that normally a woman might do as opposed to a man?
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is the place a cemetary? noplayground?b{ no}
was the place they were going into, an outside place? yes
was lionel doing or going to do something that that normally a woman might do as opposed to a man? no
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was the assumption of child abuse based on what he did? where they were? what was in his possesion?where they were headed?other physical conduct?
if not "any" father wood do this , but a babysiitter might, would some other fathers possibly do this? by "not non human animals" are you telling us that they were acting wild or in an uncivilized manner?
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was the assumption of child abuse based on what he did?see next answers where they were? yes what was in his possesion? nowhere they were headed? yesother physical conduct? no
if not "any" father wood do this , but a babysiitter might, would some other fathers possibly do this? sure, many fathers would do this & many would not by "not non human animals" are you telling us that they were acting wild or in an uncivilized manner? not al all
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where they were going, was it a place that would be more likely in one geographical area as opposed to another, such as northeast, southwest etc.
this place of recreation & entertainment, is it a place that a father & son can enjoy by themselves, or will they be part of a group being entertained in some way?
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where they were going, was it a place that would be more likely in one geographical area as opposed to another, such as northeast, southwest etc.less likely on the great plains
this place of recreation & entertainment, is it a place that a father & son can enjoy by themselves yes, or will they be part of a group being entertained in some way? no
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Were they heading into a cave or cavern? Were the in the mountains? Were the hiking in the woods?

To go "into" this place, would they cross a threshold of some sort (real or implied)?

Is the weather relevant? Was it raining? sunny? snowing? cloudy? cold? hot?
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would any other father and son pair work for the puzzle? or is there something to reveal about this pair?
is a playground relevant?
did it look as if Lionel was going to lead the child somewhere?

is an Amber Alert relevant? Was a relevant suspect at large?
was the public place closed?

are any objects relevant?
are any hazards relevant?

was the cause for concern because it looked like they were not father and son?
was the cause for concern because it looked like Nathan was putting the boy in danger?
If Lionel was the boy's uncle would it have been illegal? guardian?
are other people relevant outside the fact that they suspected foul play?

were they outside of something? approaching the entrance?
if they were walking in the oppposite direction would the people have been concerned?
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Were they heading into a cave or cavern? no Were the in the mountains? no Were the hiking in the woods? yes

To go "into" this place, would they cross a threshold of some sort (real or implied)? no

Is the weather relevant? Was it raining? sunny? snowing? cloudy? cold? hot? unlikely to be raining or snowing very hard
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would any other father and son pair work for the puzzle? yope or is there something to reveal about this pair? yope
is a playground relevant?
did it look as if Lionel was going to lead the child somewhere? yesish

is an Amber Alert relevant? noWas a relevant suspect at large? no
was the public place closed? no

are any objects relevant? no
are any hazards relevant? yope

was the cause for concern because it looked like they were not father and son? yope
was the cause for concern because it looked like Nathan was putting the boy in danger? yes
If Lionel was the boy's uncle would it have been illegal? no guardian? no
are other people relevant outside the fact that they suspected foul play? no

were they outside of something? yes--the woods--see above approaching the entrance? yes
if they were walking in the oppposite direction would the people have been concerned? probably
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Was it something about the woods that caused concern?

About Lionel? His age? race?

About the child? age? race?
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were these particular woods known for having bad activities occur there? (I ask this because I know of a wooded place where I live that have had bad activities occur, so if you saw a man and a boy walk out of the woods at this particular park, you would think, hmmm...did something go on there?)
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were they at a highway rest area?
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Was it something about the woods that caused concern? yes

About Lionel? no His age? no race? no

About the child? no age? no race? no
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were these particular woods known for having bad activities occur there? no (I ask this because I know of a wooded place where I live that have had bad activities occur, so if you saw a man and a boy walk out of the woods at this particular park, you would think, hmmm...did something go on there?)
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were they at a highway rest area? irrel
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were they at or close to sea level?
was there a natural dager of these woods or a man made danger?
are the woods that they are hiking in or about to go into,a place that others would also hike?

did they get out of a vehical to walk towards these woods possibly to pee?
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were they at or close to sea level?irrel
was there a natural dagerno of these woods or a man made danger? yes
are the woods that they are hiking in or about to go into,a place that others would also hike? yes

did they get out of a vehical no to walk towards these woods possibly to pee? no
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Was there a convict on the loose that had been seen in the woods or was thought to be in the woods?
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Was there a convict on the loose that had been seen in the woods or was thought to be in the woods? no
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was it hunting season?fishing?
were they going hunting?
was lionel wearing camouflage
was there a fire?
walking in the woods such as forest?
were they on a path?
were they in the desert?
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Were the woods near a prison? mental hospital? school? playground?

Is the location of the woods relevant? Is that what caused the danger?
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was it hunting season?fishing?no
were they going hunting? no
was lionel wearing camouflage no
was there a fire? no
walking in the woods such as forest? yes
were they on a path? irrel
were they in the desert?
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Were the woods near a prison? no mental hospital? no school? no playground? no

Is the location of the woods relevant? no Is that what caused the danger? no
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Was there something dangerous in the woods? a person? an animal?
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Was there something dangerous in the woods? no a person? no an animal? no
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Was there some activity which was taking place in the woods? logging? hunting? a protest? construction? Was it a crime scene?
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Was there some activity which was taking place in the woods? no logging? no hunting? no a protest? no construction? no Was it a crime scene? no
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was the man made danger in the woods something that is always there or only at certain times?
is the danger a physical thing or an event?
Is lionel'sexual orientation relevant?
was there anything of relevance on the other side of these woods?
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was the man made danger in the woods something that is always there yope or only at certain times yope?
is the danger a physical thing or an event? more like an event
Is lionel'sexual orientation relevant? yope
was there anything of relevance on the other side of these woods? no
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was lionel's sexual orientation relevant?
is there anything on the other side of these woods of relevance?
is the man made danger in the woods permanent,or temporary?
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was the man made danger in the woods something that is always there yope or only at certain times yope?
is the danger a physical thing or an event? more like an event
Is lionel'sexual orientation relevant? yope
was there anything of relevance on the other side of these woods? no
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was lionel's sexual orientation relevant?yesish
is there anything on the other side of these woods of relevance? no
is the man made danger in the woods permanent,or temporary? permanerntish
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is lionel gay, or headed toward a gay event?
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is lionel gay irrel--& this is NOT a blooooper!! or headed toward a gay event? no
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Is Lionel's sexual orientation relevant only in the sense that he is the child's father and is therefore presumed to be heterosexual? Is Lionel transexual? a crossdresser?

Is the sex of the child relevant? male? female?

Were the surrounding woods on fire?
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Is Lionel's sexual orientation relevant only in the sense that he is the child's father and is therefore presumed to be heterosexual? no Is Lionel transexual? no a crossdresser? no

Is the sex of the child relevant? no male? female?

Were the surrounding woods on fire? no
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Is Lionel heterosexual?

Were the people who called the police aware of Lionel's sexual orientation? Did they make an incorrect assumption about his sexual orientation?

Did the woods have a reputation for homosexual activity?
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Is Lionel heterosexual?irrel--see next answer but one

Were the people who called the police aware of Lionel's sexual orientation? see next answer Did they make an incorrect assumption about his sexual orientation YES!!

Did the woods have a reputation for homosexual activity? no
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Did they think he was...gay? a transvestite? a pedophile? something else?
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Did they think he was...gay? see next answer nut one a transvestite? no a pedophile? yes something else? no

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America is currently experiencing a wave of hysteria about child sexual abuse. The horror of real sexual abuse of either children or adults can hardly be exaggerated, but many people are accused of this on incredibly flimsy grounds. Lionel (who is based on a real person I read about) was stopped by the police while walking in the woods with his son. People had called the police because they saw a man taking a child into the woods! Isn't that silly? Maybe that's why it took nso long for this puzzle to get solved. Please check out my new one.

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