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Superman (Superman)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 11:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Because of the lyrics of a song, some teachers would teach their students useless information.
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Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 2:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is 'a song' -
a specific song?
the wall?
a different song?
pink floyd relevent at all?
more recent covers/remixes of the wall?
the gorrilaz version?

teachers are a/h?
primary/secondary/tertiary teachers?

students are human? children? adults?
primary/secondary/tertiary students?

(i'm australian -my definition of primary is grades 1-6, secondary 7-12, and tertiary is college/uni)

is the information useless -
to the students?
to the teachers?
to everyone?
Peter365 (Peter365)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 10:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this one of the ever popular misheard lyrics type puzzles ?

Is 80's music relevant? Is the name of a band relevant? Do the following words appear in the lyric? teacher? pupil? student? lesson? information?
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Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 3:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"we don't need no education" by pink floyd?
hmmm...
useless as in drivel?
useless as in information they will never need?
useless as in a waste of the students time to listen to it?
Superman (Superman)
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is 'a song' -
a specific song? YES
the wall? NO
a different song? YES
pink floyd relevent at all? NO
more recent covers/remixes of the wall? NO
the gorrilaz version? NO

teachers are a/h? YES to both
primary/secondary/tertiary teachers? could be primary

students are human? YES children? YES adults? NO
primary/secondary/tertiary students? could be primary

(i'm australian -my definition of primary is grades 1-6, secondary 7-12, and tertiary is college/uni)

is the information useless -
to the students? YES
to the teachers? YES
to everyone? YES, if you mean to both student and teacher

Is this one of the ever popular misheard lyrics type puzzles ? NO

Is 80's music relevant? NO Is the name of a band relevant? NO Do the following words appear in the lyric? teacher? pupil? student? lesson? information? NONE of those

"we don't need no education" by pink floyd? YES but not relevant to the puzzle, just the basis for my title
hmmm...
useless as in drivel? NO
useless as in information they will never need? YES
useless as in a waste of the students time to listen to it? Mabye
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Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 6:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the song a mnemonic? is it now out-of-date? incorrect? irrelevant?

Do the teachers teach the song to the students? play the song for the students but not with the expectation that they will learn it?

Will the students learn the song somewhere else (on TV? on the radio? from friends?) and therefore already have the information, making the teacher's teaching it useless?
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Is the song a nursery rhyme? a childrens song? is it meant to be educational? If so would it improve the numeric skills ? word power? spelling? reading?
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Is the song a mnemonic? NONE of these is it now out-of-date? incorrect? irrelevant?

Do the teachers teach the song to the students? YES play the song for the students but not with the expectation that they will learn it? NO

Will the students learn the song somewhere else (on TV? on the radio? from friends?) and therefore already have the information, making the teacher's teaching it useless? NO

Is the song a nursery rhyme? YES a childrens song? YES is it meant to be educational? YES If so would it improve the numeric skills ? NO word power? NO spelling? NOish reading? NO
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would it be considered a "mother goose" rhyme?

is something spelled in the song? B-I-N-G-O?

are facts "misrepresented" in the rhyme? twinkle twinkle little star (stars being like diamonds)?

are there people in the rhyme? animals? objects?

is the poem slightly nonsensical? (maybe dishes running away with spoons/cows jumping over moons or that sort of thing?)

would it help to list some rhymes? I have an almost 4year old son and almost 1year old son, so I have a treasure trove worth of songs/rhymes--I should have them all memorized by now!
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Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 1:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

would it be considered a "mother goose" rhyme? Not sure

is something spelled in the song? B-I-N-G-O? NOish

are facts "misrepresented" in the rhyme? twinkle twinkle little star (stars being like diamonds)? NO

are there people in the rhyme? YESish animals? NO objects? NO

is the poem slightly nonsensical? (maybe dishes running away with spoons/cows jumping over moons or that sort of thing?) NO

would it help to list some rhymes? I have an almost 4year old son and almost 1year old son, so I have a treasure trove worth of songs/rhymes--I should have them all memorized by now!

Actually, i should mention that, although it is a rhyme, it is mostly considered a song.
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Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 10:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the song/rhyme based on a historical incident? e.g Ring a Ring a Rosie refers to the Plague or Humpty Dumpty refers to King Richard III's death?

Has the song many verses? would the song be known worldwide? in America? UK? in English speaking countries only i.e. are there foreign language versions?

Do the teachers know that the information is useless? (come to think of it i did latin in school and have yet to come across a real life situation where i needed it "Romanes Eunt Domus")
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Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 12:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

yankee doodle?
old macdonald (e-i-e-i-o)?
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You said it could be primary school. Could it also be pre-school (children aged 3-4)? kindergarten (5 years old)?

Is the song related to a specific subject? if so: math? grammar? (English grammar? or some other language?) science? reading? art?
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Is the song/rhyme based on a historical incident? e.g Ring a Ring a Rosie refers to the Plague or Humpty Dumpty refers to King Richard III's death? NO

Has the song many verses? NO would the song be known worldwide? YES in America? YES UK? Not sure in English speaking countries only i.e. are there foreign language versions? onlky in English-speaking countries

Do the teachers know that the information is useless? (come to think of it i did latin in school and have yet to come across a real life situation where i needed it "Romanes Eunt Domus") YES

yankee doodle? NO
old macdonald (e-i-e-i-o)? NO

You said it could be primary school. Could it also be pre-school (children aged 3-4)? YES kindergarten (5 years old)? YES

Is the song related to a specific subject? if so: math? NO grammar? NO (English grammar? or some other language?) science? NO reading? NOish art? NO
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Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 6:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The Alphabet song?
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Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 2:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the song considered useless everywhere that it is taught?
or is there a particular school using the song where it would be useless?
would the teachers find it more useless than twinkle little star?
does the song teach about music?
does the song hold any information?
does it have lyrics?
do the students learning the song already know the lesson in the song?
if no, do the students have no practical use for the information?
are the students too young for the information in the song?
is the lesson or info considered out of date?
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The Alphabet song? YES

is the song considered useless everywhere that it is taught? NO
or is there a particular school using the song where it would be useless? NO
would the teachers find it more useless than twinkle little star? i don't think so
does the song teach about music? NO
does the song hold any information? YES
does it have lyrics? YES
do the students learning the song already know the lesson in the song? Mabye
if no, do the students have no practical use for the information?
are the students too young for the information in the song? NO
is the lesson or info considered out of date? NOish
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Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 6:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK, is it the Alphabet Song itself that contains the useless information, or does teaching it mean that some other bit of commonly taught information is useless?
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is it the fact that at the end it says, "won't you sing again with me," so this song could go on forever?

or maybe the fact that it says, "now I've learned my a b c's"? in one sitting, children wouldn't learn the alphabet? it doesn't teach them everything about the alphabet? (for example, by singing the song, the children wouldn't know what letters looked like?

or maybe (especially if teachers are using this as a teaching tool) the fact that the children aren't learning some of the sounds correctly when singing the song? especially by the fact that the children, when singing this song, mispronounce a lot of the letters (especially lmnop, which sung quite fast and the sounds of the letters jumble together), so they are not really learning the alphabet?
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The song is useless because it contains some wrong information ? Because "Z" is spelled as "Zee" ? or because the final verse "W,X,Y and Z" may be misheard as "W,X,Y N Z" ?
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anything to do with the phonic alphabet?
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Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 10:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Longshot this but anything to do with CDs ? any other technology that may soon be outdated?
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of all the teachers using the same alphabet song, "some" of them are teaching useless information?
will it help to reveal the difference between the usefull and useless application of the same song?
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Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 2:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

another idea--zee versus zed?
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another idea--zee versus zed? YES

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