| Author | Message | ||
| Superman (Superman)
New member Username: Superman Post Number: 477 Registered: 2-2007 |
Because of the lyrics of a song, some teachers would teach their students useless information. | ||
| Suido (Suido)
New member Username: Suido Post Number: 29 Registered: 8-2007 |
is 'a song' - a specific song? the wall? a different song? pink floyd relevent at all? more recent covers/remixes of the wall? the gorrilaz version? teachers are a/h? primary/secondary/tertiary teachers? students are human? children? adults? primary/secondary/tertiary students? (i'm australian -my definition of primary is grades 1-6, secondary 7-12, and tertiary is college/uni) is the information useless - to the students? to the teachers? to everyone? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 600 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is this one of the ever popular misheard lyrics type puzzles ? Is 80's music relevant? Is the name of a band relevant? Do the following words appear in the lyric? teacher? pupil? student? lesson? information? | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 577 Registered: 4-2007 |
"we don't need no education" by pink floyd? hmmm... useless as in drivel? useless as in information they will never need? useless as in a waste of the students time to listen to it? | ||
| Superman (Superman)
New member Username: Superman Post Number: 479 Registered: 2-2007 |
is 'a song' - a specific song? YES the wall? NO a different song? YES pink floyd relevent at all? NO more recent covers/remixes of the wall? NO the gorrilaz version? NO teachers are a/h? YES to both primary/secondary/tertiary teachers? could be primary students are human? YES children? YES adults? NO primary/secondary/tertiary students? could be primary (i'm australian -my definition of primary is grades 1-6, secondary 7-12, and tertiary is college/uni) is the information useless - to the students? YES to the teachers? YES to everyone? YES, if you mean to both student and teacher Is this one of the ever popular misheard lyrics type puzzles ? NO Is 80's music relevant? NO Is the name of a band relevant? NO Do the following words appear in the lyric? teacher? pupil? student? lesson? information? NONE of those "we don't need no education" by pink floyd? YES but not relevant to the puzzle, just the basis for my title hmmm... useless as in drivel? NO useless as in information they will never need? YES useless as in a waste of the students time to listen to it? Mabye | ||
| Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab Post Number: 1548 Registered: 2-2005 |
Is the song a mnemonic? is it now out-of-date? incorrect? irrelevant? Do the teachers teach the song to the students? play the song for the students but not with the expectation that they will learn it? Will the students learn the song somewhere else (on TV? on the radio? from friends?) and therefore already have the information, making the teacher's teaching it useless? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 601 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is the song a nursery rhyme? a childrens song? is it meant to be educational? If so would it improve the numeric skills ? word power? spelling? reading? | ||
| Superman (Superman)
New member Username: Superman Post Number: 481 Registered: 2-2007 |
Is the song a mnemonic? NONE of these is it now out-of-date? incorrect? irrelevant? Do the teachers teach the song to the students? YES play the song for the students but not with the expectation that they will learn it? NO Will the students learn the song somewhere else (on TV? on the radio? from friends?) and therefore already have the information, making the teacher's teaching it useless? NO Is the song a nursery rhyme? YES a childrens song? YES is it meant to be educational? YES If so would it improve the numeric skills ? NO word power? NO spelling? NOish reading? NO | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 583 Registered: 4-2007 |
would it be considered a "mother goose" rhyme? is something spelled in the song? B-I-N-G-O? are facts "misrepresented" in the rhyme? twinkle twinkle little star (stars being like diamonds)? are there people in the rhyme? animals? objects? is the poem slightly nonsensical? (maybe dishes running away with spoons/cows jumping over moons or that sort of thing?) would it help to list some rhymes? I have an almost 4year old son and almost 1year old son, so I have a treasure trove worth of songs/rhymes--I should have them all memorized by now! | ||
| Superman (Superman)
New member Username: Superman Post Number: 482 Registered: 2-2007 |
would it be considered a "mother goose" rhyme? Not sure is something spelled in the song? B-I-N-G-O? NOish are facts "misrepresented" in the rhyme? twinkle twinkle little star (stars being like diamonds)? NO are there people in the rhyme? YESish animals? NO objects? NO is the poem slightly nonsensical? (maybe dishes running away with spoons/cows jumping over moons or that sort of thing?) NO would it help to list some rhymes? I have an almost 4year old son and almost 1year old son, so I have a treasure trove worth of songs/rhymes--I should have them all memorized by now! Actually, i should mention that, although it is a rhyme, it is mostly considered a song. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 604 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is the song/rhyme based on a historical incident? e.g Ring a Ring a Rosie refers to the Plague or Humpty Dumpty refers to King Richard III's death? Has the song many verses? would the song be known worldwide? in America? UK? in English speaking countries only i.e. are there foreign language versions? Do the teachers know that the information is useless? (come to think of it i did latin in school and have yet to come across a real life situation where i needed it "Romanes Eunt Domus") | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 585 Registered: 4-2007 |
yankee doodle? old macdonald (e-i-e-i-o)? | ||
| Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab Post Number: 1551 Registered: 2-2005 |
You said it could be primary school. Could it also be pre-school (children aged 3-4)? kindergarten (5 years old)? Is the song related to a specific subject? if so: math? grammar? (English grammar? or some other language?) science? reading? art? | ||
| Superman (Superman)
New member Username: Superman Post Number: 483 Registered: 2-2007 |
Is the song/rhyme based on a historical incident? e.g Ring a Ring a Rosie refers to the Plague or Humpty Dumpty refers to King Richard III's death? NO Has the song many verses? NO would the song be known worldwide? YES in America? YES UK? Not sure in English speaking countries only i.e. are there foreign language versions? onlky in English-speaking countries Do the teachers know that the information is useless? (come to think of it i did latin in school and have yet to come across a real life situation where i needed it "Romanes Eunt Domus") YES yankee doodle? NO old macdonald (e-i-e-i-o)? NO You said it could be primary school. Could it also be pre-school (children aged 3-4)? YES kindergarten (5 years old)? YES Is the song related to a specific subject? if so: math? NO grammar? NO (English grammar? or some other language?) science? NO reading? NOish art? NO | ||
| Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab Post Number: 1559 Registered: 2-2005 |
The Alphabet song? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 399 Registered: 6-2007 |
is the song considered useless everywhere that it is taught? or is there a particular school using the song where it would be useless? would the teachers find it more useless than twinkle little star? does the song teach about music? does the song hold any information? does it have lyrics? do the students learning the song already know the lesson in the song? if no, do the students have no practical use for the information? are the students too young for the information in the song? is the lesson or info considered out of date? | ||
| Superman (Superman)
New member Username: Superman Post Number: 484 Registered: 2-2007 |
The Alphabet song? YES is the song considered useless everywhere that it is taught? NO or is there a particular school using the song where it would be useless? NO would the teachers find it more useless than twinkle little star? i don't think so does the song teach about music? NO does the song hold any information? YES does it have lyrics? YES do the students learning the song already know the lesson in the song? Mabye if no, do the students have no practical use for the information? are the students too young for the information in the song? NO is the lesson or info considered out of date? NOish | ||
| Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab Post Number: 1564 Registered: 2-2005 |
OK, is it the Alphabet Song itself that contains the useless information, or does teaching it mean that some other bit of commonly taught information is useless? | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 598 Registered: 4-2007 |
is it the fact that at the end it says, "won't you sing again with me," so this song could go on forever? or maybe the fact that it says, "now I've learned my a b c's"? in one sitting, children wouldn't learn the alphabet? it doesn't teach them everything about the alphabet? (for example, by singing the song, the children wouldn't know what letters looked like? or maybe (especially if teachers are using this as a teaching tool) the fact that the children aren't learning some of the sounds correctly when singing the song? especially by the fact that the children, when singing this song, mispronounce a lot of the letters (especially lmnop, which sung quite fast and the sounds of the letters jumble together), so they are not really learning the alphabet? | ||
| Prontilee (Prontilee)
New member Username: Prontilee Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2007 |
The song is useless because it contains some wrong information ? Because "Z" is spelled as "Zee" ? or because the final verse "W,X,Y and Z" may be misheard as "W,X,Y N Z" ? | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 857 Registered: 9-2003 |
anything to do with the phonic alphabet? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 611 Registered: 1-2007 |
Longshot this but anything to do with CDs ? any other technology that may soon be outdated? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 415 Registered: 6-2007 |
of all the teachers using the same alphabet song, "some" of them are teaching useless information? will it help to reveal the difference between the usefull and useless application of the same song? | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 633 Registered: 4-2007 |
another idea--zee versus zed? | ||
| Superman (Superman)
New member Username: Superman Post Number: 486 Registered: 2-2007 |
another idea--zee versus zed? YES SPoILER : see above |
