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Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 429
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 8:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When Zoltan met Reijo he said to him, 'The train comes.' They had never met before. There was no train. Why did he say it?
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 9:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are they both h? a? m?

any other people involved?

any trains involved at all? did they speak the same language? when he said the train comes, was he referring to a normal train? did he pronounce something wrong? was it supposed to be that rain comes? or something similar?
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 9:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Damia,

Good questions:

are they both h? a? m?
THEY WERE BOTH HUMAN, ALIVE AND MALE

any other people involved?
NO

any trains involved at all?
NO

did they speak the same language?
NO

when he said the train comes, was he referring to a normal train?
YES

did he pronounce something wrong?
NO

was it supposed to be that rain comes? or something similar?
NO
Lynne (Lynne)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 9:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he trying out the language to see whether it was understood? That he was speaking the correct language for the country he was in?

Is this the equivalent of 'the pen of my aunt is in the garden' (which doesn't get you far when you want a double latte)

Did he expect a particular response? A reaction from a fellow passenger on the platform? Was he at a train station?
Admin (Admin)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 11:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lynne,

Was he trying out the language to see whether it was understood?
NOT REALLY

That he was speaking the correct language for the country he was in?
NO

Is this the equivalent of 'the pen of my aunt is in the garden' (which doesn't get you far when you want a double latte)
NOT REALLY

Did he expect a particular response?
NO

A reaction from a fellow passenger on the platform? Was he at a train station?
NO, NO
Martinfg (Martinfg)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 11:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Paul,

Was some sort of code involved?
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 11:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

MARTIN,

Was some sort of code involved?
LOOSELY - YES
~damia~ (~damia~)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 12:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

does it matter what country he was in? what language he was speaking? what language the other person spoke?

did he expect the other person to understand him? was he just saying any old thing as he knew the other person wouldn't understand him anyway?
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 12:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Damia,

does it matter what country he was in?
YES

what language he was speaking?
YES

what language the other person spoke?
YES

did he expect the other person to understand him?
YES

was he just saying any old thing as he knew the other person wouldn't understand him anyway?
NO
~damia~ (~damia~)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 2:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was he somewhere in europe? was he speaking english? german? french? spanish? italian? did the other person speak english? german? french? spanish? italian?
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Damia,

was he somewhere in europe?
YES

was he speaking english? german? french? spanish? italian? did the other person speak english? german? french? spanish? italian?
NO
~damia~ (~damia~)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 4:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was he speaking greek? dutch? danish? swedish? portugese? was the other man speaking one of these?
Lporter229 (Lporter229)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 4:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Reijo understand what Zoltan said? Did he understand the intended meaning of what he said?
Ahmer (Ahmer)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 4:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant that Zoltan is a primarily Hungarian name?

Relevant that Reijo is a Finnish name?

Nationalities important at all?

Is there something deliberate about the words, e.g., the words in one language mean something different in the other language?
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 6:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this a James Bond scenario where they're exchanging passwords/phrases to verify who the other is?
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 6:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Damia,

was he speaking greek? dutch? danish? swedish? portugese? was the other man speaking one of these?
NO
Admin (Admin)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 6:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lporter,

Did Reijo understand what Zoltan said? Did he understand the intended meaning of what he said?
YES, YES
Admin (Admin)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 6:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ahmer,

Relevant that Zoltan is a primarily Hungarian name? Relevant that Reijo is a Finnish name?
WELL SPOTTED. YES.

Nationalities important at all?
YES

Is there something deliberate about the words,
YES

e.g., the words in one language mean something different in the other language?
NOT QUITE
Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 438
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 6:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

DICY,

Is this a James Bond scenario where they're exchanging passwords/phrases to verify who the other is?
NO
Bentarm (Bentarm)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 9:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant that Hungarian and Finnish both belong to the same linguistic family?
Is the phrase "the train comes" the same in both Finnish and Hungarian? similar? very different?
Did Zoltan say "the train comes" in Finnish? In Hungarian?
Was he trying to communicate some message other than "the train comes"?
Admin (Admin)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 11:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bentarm,

Is it relevant that Hungarian and Finnish both belong to the same linguistic family?
YES

Is the phrase "the train comes" the same in both Finnish and Hungarian? similar? very different?
YES, YES, NO

Did Zoltan say "the train comes" in Finnish? In Hungarian?
YES, YES

Was he trying to communicate some message other than "the train comes"?
MAYBE
Lporter229 (Lporter229)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 11:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Zoltan in Finland? Hungary? neither? relevant?

Was he at an embassy?

Did Zoltan speak Finnish? Hungarian?

Did Zoltan realize that the meaning was the same in both languages?

Did Zoltan know what language Reijo spoke? Did he make an assumption as to what language Reijo spoke? Was he trying to determine what language Reijo spoke?

Were these the first words Zoltan spoke to Reijo?
Had Reijo spoken any words to Zoltan?
Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 440
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 11:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

* * * SPOILER * * *

Bentarm cracked his one open so I think it is time for a spoiler.

Zoltan is Hungarian and Reijo is Finnish. Neither speaks the other's language. Hungarian and Finnish share the same obscure roots and have some words in common. The only sentence which sounds and means the same in both languages is - Jon a vonat. It is pronounced the same and means 'the train comes' in both.

Curiously however, the individual words are not equivalent. In Hungarian the words mean 'comes the train'. In Finnish they mean 'the train comes'.

Zoltan said it as a form of greeting on meeting Finnish people for the first time.

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