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Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 7:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

As usual: you are in a dark room from which you need to escape. A voice from above says "Ethel". How will you respond?

Note to old stagers: this is woubit's Christmas puzzle for 2007. Note to new stagers: if you look in the archive of solved puzzles in January 2006 for "Never did run smooth", you may obtain some notion of what to expect in woubit's Christmas puzzles.

Note to everyone, including me: the very best of luck.
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Have a flashlight or any illumination?? Anything around you? Ethel reminds me of Bethleham, say that? Tell us what happens when we get a wrong guess please?
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Have a flashlight or any illumination? not yet Anything around you? darkness Ethel reminds me of Bethleham, say that? nothing happens Tell us what happens when we get a wrong guess please? nothing drastic
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Are you sure they said Ethel? Could it have been Ethyl? Have you been drinking?
Is Ethel a friend of Carol's? Is the title relevant? I have a feeling I've heard it somewhere before, but I have not the slightest clue where...
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Are you sure they said Ethel? yes Could it have been Ethyl? no Have you been drinking? yes, but not so that it is relevant to this puzzle
Is Ethel a friend of Carol's? no, but... Is the title relevant? yes I have a feeling I've heard it somewhere before, but I have not the slightest clue where... as usual in woubit puzzles, all aids to memory are permitted
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ok, so it was from Chesterton's version of God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen, written as a response to the banning of carolling...
Is the banning of carolling relevant? The song God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen?
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ok, so it was from Chesterton's version of God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen, written as a response to the banning of carolling... it was indeed
Is the banning of carolling relevant? yes The song God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen? yope

The Chief Constable has issued a statement declaring that carol singing in the streets by children is illegal, and morally and physically injurious. He appeals to the public to discourage the practice. Daily Paper

God rest you merry gentlemen,
Let nothing you dismay.
The Herald Angels cannot sing -
The cops arrest them on the wing,
And warn them of the docketing
Of anything they say.

God rest you merry gentlemen,
May nothing you dismay.
On your reposeful cities lie
Deep silence, broken only by
The motor-horn's melodious cry,
The hooter's happy bray.

So, when the song of children ceased,
And Herod was obeyed,
In his high hall Corinthian
With purple and with peacock fan,
Rested that merry gentleman -
And nothing him dismayed.
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sing that song? sing the original? is the original relevant at all? any other version relevant? do we need to find out more about this ban? is Ethel a person? alive today?
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sing that song? nothing happens sing the original? and continues to happen is the original relevant at all? yope any other version relevant? no do we need to find out more about this ban? eventually is Ethel a person? yes alive today? no
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Ethel Merman?
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Ethel Merman? no - some other Ethel altogether
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Ethel Smyth?
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Ethelred the Unready?
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Ethel Smyth? no

Ethelred the Unready? no, but good lateral thinking
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, a letter formed from a ligature of o and e?
Ethel (string quartet)?
Ethel the Frog, a British heavy metal band from the late 70's?
Ethel, Mississippi ?
Ethel, Missouri ?
Ethel, Washington ?
Ethel Barrymore, stage and screen actress ?
Ethel Muggs, aka "Big Ethel", a character from Archie Comics ?
Ethel Roosevelt Derby, younger daughter of U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt ?
Ethel and Julius Rosenberg, Americans executed for espionage ?
Ethel (XM), An XM satellite radio channel ?
Ethel Mertz, Vivian Vance's character in television's I Love Lucy?
Ethel Skinner, a character in the British soap opera EastEnders?
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, a letter formed from a ligature of o and e?
Ethel (string quartet)?
Ethel the Frog, a British heavy metal band from the late 70's?
Ethel, Mississippi ?
Ethel, Missouri ?
Ethel, Washington ?
Ethel Barrymore, stage and screen actress ?
Ethel Muggs, aka "Big Ethel", a character from Archie Comics ?
Ethel Roosevelt Derby, younger daughter of U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt ?
Ethel and Julius Rosenberg, Americans executed for espionage ?
Ethel (XM), An XM satellite radio channel ?
Ethel Mertz, Vivian Vance's character in television's I Love Lucy?
Ethel Skinner, a character in the British soap opera EastEnders? none of the above, but congratulations on a most impressive list of Ethels.

It might help to attempt to identify this particular Ethel by asking the usual kinds of question. Alternatively (or additionally) you could make some attempt to explore your surroundings, even though as yet you can't actually see any of them.
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Can you feel the walls in the darkness to discern if there's any doors ? If so how many? are they all locked?

Is Ethel an Actress? Musician? writer? Artist?

Is she known by a stage name ? pen name?

She is a she isn't she?
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Right... voice that asked the question... H?A?M?
Ethel... H?A?F?

Well... if I were in the room, I would whip out my key ring that has an LED flashlight on it and peer around the room. Anything there? A light switch perhaps? The source of the ominous voice? Markings on the wall? A computer panel? Random stuff in the room?

Random puzzle questions: Does this have anything to do with Sweden? The Swedish? Eight Spades and Stilton? The 12th day of Christmas? Did you ever figure out what the 12th answer would be?
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Can you feel the walls in the darkness to discern if there's any doors ? I can If so how many? one, as far as I can tell are they all locked? it is

Is Ethel an Actress? Musician? writer? Artist? none of the above

Is she known by a stage name ? pen name? neither

She is a she isn't she? yes

Right... voice that asked the question... H?A?M? it seemed to be all three, but...
Ethel... H?A?F? all three

Well... if I were in the room, I would whip out my key ring that has an LED flashlight on it and peer around the room. sadly, this helpful device has been removed from your person Anything there? A light switch perhaps? The source of the ominous voice? Markings on the wall? A computer panel? Random stuff in the room? I have not bumped into anything on my travels around the walls. The room appears to be circular with a radius of four of five metres, if that.

Random puzzle questions: Does this have anything to do with Sweden? The Swedish? Eight Spades and Stilton? The 12th day of Christmas? with none of those Did you ever figure out what the 12th answer would be? I did, but as yet I will refrain from disclosing it, if you don't mind. You see, it may have a bearing on this puzzle.
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Chesterton's sister in law was called Ethel..is this her? (Ethel Blogg)
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Chesterton's sister in law was called Ethel..is this her? (Ethel Blogg) no, but a most impressive piece of research - unless you knew it already, which would be more impressive still
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is her job:

Artistic/musical/writer?
Banking/financial/real estate?
Clerical/Administrative?
Computer related / Hardware ?
Construction / Craftsman ?
Education / Academic Research ?
Entertainment / Media ?
Executive / Management ?
Hospitality / Travel ?
Legal Services ?
Manufacturing / Distributions ?
Medical / Health Services ?
Politics / Government / Military ?
Sales / Marketing ?
Technical / Science / Engineering ?
Teaching / Child care?
Transportation ?
Food Service ?
Sports?
Entertainment?
Jailbird / Criminal?
Religion?
Other?
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Ethel Kennedy wife of Senator Robert F Kennedy?
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Strike that . Just looked her up in Wikipedia and she's still alive.
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Artistic/musical/writer?
Banking/financial/real estate?
Clerical/Administrative?
Computer related / Hardware ?
Construction / Craftsman ?
Education / Academic Research ?
Entertainment / Media ?
Executive / Management ?
Hospitality / Travel ?
Legal Services ?
Manufacturing / Distributions ?
Medical / Health Services ?
Politics / Government / Military ?
Sales / Marketing ?
Technical / Science / Engineering ?
Teaching / Child care?
Transportation ?
Food Service ?
Sports?
Entertainment?
Jailbird / Criminal?
Religion?
Other? her job is, I am afraid, not a matter of record. Her existence, however is - in a manner of speaking.

Ethel Kennedy wife of Senator Robert F Kennedy? no

Strike that . Just looked her up in Wikipedia and she's still alive. I don't recall having indicated that the Ethel in question is dead.
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So when you answered no to alive today you are implying that she was never alive? is she a fictional character? in a book? movie? song? tv programme? musical? opera? play?
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So when you answered no to alive today you are implying that she was never alive? exactly so is she a fictional character? yes in a book? movie? song? this one tv programme? musical? opera? play?
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Ah so my first thought that seems not to have posted may be correct...Ethel as in Lucy's friend?
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Ah so my first thought that seems not to have posted may be correct...Ethel as in Lucy's friend? not that Ethel, but good thinking
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WEll now I see that she was on that long list. Darn.

How about Ethel from Archie comics?
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Is Ethel actually referred to as Ethel in the song? Is there a pun involved?
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Found an ethel in a tom waits song?
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WEll now I see that she was on that long list. Darn.

How about Ethel from Archie comics? no

Is Ethel actually referred to as Ethel in the song? several times Is there a pun involved? no

Found an ethel in a tom waits song? congratulations, but I am afraid she has no part to play in this puzzle
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Ray Stevens - The Streak?
Genesis - I know what I like?
Weird Al - Ricky?

As to the puzzle as a whole... are "The 12 days of Christmas" relevant? Are we going to wind up with weird replies like X Streakers streaking?
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Ray Stevens - The Streak? exactly and precisely so - well done
Genesis - I know what I like?
Weird Al - Ricky? neither of those, but never mind

As to the puzzle as a whole... are "The 12 days of Christmas" relevant? no Are we going to wind up with weird replies like X Streakers streaking? if I told you where you would end up, there would be no puzzle involved in getting there.

I will say, though, that for the moment I have been answering questions as the puzzle-setter, not as the person currently pent in durance vile. I will continue to do the former, but progressively less as you progress.
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"Look Ethel"? Feel around with your hands?
"Don't look Ethel"? Close your eyes?

"Are we expecting a streaker to run through?"
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"Look Ethel"? Feel around with your hands? I have done so. I seem to be in a bare circular cell with a single door. There is no furniture that I can discern
"Don't look Ethel"? Close your eyes? it makes no appreciable difference to the amount I can see whether I close them or keep them open.

"Are we expecting a streaker to run through?" we - and I include myself here - can never be quite sure what to expect in a woubit Christmas puzzle. However, there appears to be no sign of a streaker as yet.
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"You Brazen hussy!"
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"You Brazen hussy!" nothing happens, but it might be an idea not to say that sort of thing to disembodied people who at present have us trapped in a dungeon
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What do you think you're doing?
Where you going?
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What do you think you're doing? I think I am standing in a dark cell wondering how to respond to the rather cryptic utterance "Ethel"
Where you going? nowhere, at present

I should say at this point that an examination of the lyrics of Ray Stevens's song The Streak will indeed aid you in your quest. But not, perhaps, in the way that you have so far been imagining.
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Cool lyrics. Am i the only person who has never heard that song before?

It mentions fruit & veg so i'm going to shout "Brus(s)ells Sprouts" & "Carrot & Parsnip" at the top of my voice.

Will that have any effect?

And i'll throw in Cauliflour & stewed apples as an encore?
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Cool lyrics. Am i the only person who has never heard that song before? I do not know, but the odds are against it

It mentions fruit & veg so i'm going to shout "Brus(s)ells Sprouts" & "Carrot & Parsnip" at the top of my voice. interesting - there are indeed two "s"s in Brussels, but only one "l". Fortunately, the owner of the voice is not interested in orthography, nor vegetables, and nothing happens.

Will that have any effect? no

And i'll throw in Cauliflour & stewed apples as an encore? nothing continues to happen. However, you are in the right stanza...
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Here he comes!

Incense!
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Here he comes! no one does

Incense! nothing actually happens when you utter this word, but you somehow sense a stirring...
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As you've no doubt guessed i'm the worlds worst speller. I had an english teacher who once told me that it was a sign of intelligence. At least i think that's what he said

So is a Jay bird relevant? Crows? Jackdaw?

Other members of the extended crow family? Raven? Rook? Magpie(not sure if that's one)
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So is a Jay bird relevant? Crows? Jackdaw?

Other members of the extended crow family? Raven? Rook? Magpie? a magpie is indeed a member of the family Corvidae, but neither it nor any other bird is relevant to this puzzle at the moment
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say "don't look ethel!"
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say "don't look ethel!" nothing happens. I'd go back to "incense", if I were you, or you were me stuck down in this dungeon... but hey, we're all in it together, right?
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Do you have some incense and a thurible? Burn the incense does anything happen?
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Incensed?

Or going to bad puns...

Frank!
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Do you have some incense and a thurible? I don't have anything of that kind - if I could light some incense, I could probably see more of this cell Burn the incense does anything happen? maybe it would if I could, but I can't, so it won't

Incensed?

Or going to bad puns...

Frank! not bad at all - maybe I should respond to "Ethel" with something like "frankincense..."
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OK then...

Frankincense... and myrrh? to offer have I?
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OK then...

Frankincense... and myrrh? to offer have I? well, not quite, but close enough

As you begin to sing the carol We Three Kings Of Orient Are, the room grows brighter. The reason for this is that a window opens high on a wall - far higher than you can reach - and the light of a single star illuminates your cell.

As you have discovered, the cell is completely bare of furniture. Apart from the window, the only possible exit is a wooden door, which unfortunately is firmly locked.

A single word is written on the door. At first, you believe it to be "Ethel", but on closer inspection it proves to be "Ezel".
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Start singing "Little Donkey"
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Start singing "Little Donkey" nothing happens, but good thinking
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Will singing a song assist you in getting out of the room?

Try singing "Once in Royal David's City"
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Will singing a song assist you in getting out of the room? well, it worked as far as turning the light on was concerned...

Try singing "Once in Royal David's City" nothing happens
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Who knows a carol about a donkey? Try singing... "There's a song in the air".
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Who knows a carol about a donkey? I imagine many people know carols containing at least one donkey. However, although it is true that "ezel" is the Dutch word for "donkey", this will prove useless in the context of this puzzle. Try singing... "There's a song in the air". nothing happens
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Try singing "Rock of Ages"...
"Jingle Bell Rock"...
"Rockin' round the Christmas Tree"...
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OK, Ezel was the rock where David parted from Jonathan, and three arrows were fired.

Three Arrows, the Servants and the Snow is a play by Iris Murdoch.

Hmmm ... try Good King Wenceslas?
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Try singing "Rock of Ages"...
"Jingle Bell Rock"...
"Rockin' round the Christmas Tree"... nothing happens, but this is the right sort of thinking

OK, Ezel was the rock where David parted from Jonathan, and three arrows were fired. indeed it was

Three Arrows, the Servants and the Snow is a play by Iris Murdoch. indeed it is

Hmmm ... try Good King Wenceslas? I have tried it, but the door refuses to budge
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hmmm... "Another Rock and Roll Christmas"?
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hmmm... "Another Rock and Roll Christmas"? whereas it is good thinking to regard "Ezel" as referring to a rock rather than a donkey, it is not rock music that you are going to need here. Rather, it is a rock...
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...of Gibralter? Saint Peter? Mom? a literal rock? a figurative rock? Will all the answers have something to do with a song? A christmas carol? Is a song by Ezel Swang relevant?

The center of stars (like the one we can see through the window) is theoretically a rock or diamond center... a song about a star? Try "We Three Kings"... particularly the "Star of wonder" portion...
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...of Gibralter? not that one, nor even the Rock of Gibraltar Saint Peter? no, but very good lateral thinking Mom? no, but very good filial thinking, especially at this time of year literal rock? well, think of synonyms for "rock"... a figurative rock? no, this one is hard Will all the answers have something to do with a song? that, as they say, is for me to know and you to find out A christmas carol? but just to be sociable, you won't need a carol to get you past this door Is a song by Ezel Swang relevant? no, but if any of his songs are any good, I'd be happy to incorporate them in the 2008 woubit Christmas puzzle

The center of stars (like the one we can see through the window) is theoretically a rock or diamond center... a song about a star? Try "We Three Kings"... particularly the "Star of wonder" portion... as I sing "We Three Kings", the light from the window increases in intensity until it seems to burn with an almost royal beauty. The door, however, remains locked.
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"Rock of Ages"
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The Solid Rock. How Firm a Foudation.
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"Rock of Ages" good idea, but you need a specific rock, not just any old rock

The Solid Rock. How Firm a Foudation. see above
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Plymouth Rock?
Prudental?
Mt. Rushmore?
The Rosetta Stone?
Stonehenge?
The Pink Panther?
The Hope Diamond?
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Ayres Rock?
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The Stone of Scone?
The Scone of Stone?
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Plymouth Rock?
Prudental?
Mt. Rushmore?
The Rosetta Stone?
Stonehenge?
The Pink Panther?
The Hope Diamond? none of those, sorry

Ayres Rock? nor this

The Stone of Scone? I think the most helpful answer to this might be "yope"
The Scone of Stone? no, but it is time for some weightless poetry

I asked the maid in dulcet tone
To order me a buttered scone.
The silly girl has been and gone
And ordered me a buttered scone.
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A Rock Cake then?
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A Rock Cake then? no - stick with the actual Stone of Scone, or part thereof
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How about the gold rings attached to either end of the Stane o'Scoon?

Also, is it relevant that the Scone (er, I mean Stone) was stolen on Christmas Day?
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How about the gold rings attached to either end of the Stane o'Scoon? no - by "part thereof" I mean something that might or might not at one time have been part of the Stone of Scone

Also, is it relevant that the Scone (er, I mean Stone) was stolen on Christmas Day? it is not, but bonus marks for providing interesting topical information
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is the blarney stone relevant? or Westminster Abbey?
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is the blarney stone relevant? it most certainly is - well done or Westminster Abbey? no, but not to worry
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Say, Blarney Stone.
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Say, Blarney Stone. nothing happens - you may need to sing something instead
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google tells me there is a song, so sing the blarney stone song by Ween?
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google tells me there is a song, so sing the blarney stone song by Ween? a very fine song it is too, but this is a Christmas puzzle...
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Kissing relevant?

happy Christmas!
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Kissing relevant? no, but some other aspect of the Blarney Stone may well be...

happy Christmas! and the same to you
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Is the gift of the gab relevant at all?

A very happy Chrismas to all!
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Is the gift of the gab relevant at all? no - the issue is not so much the alleged magical properties of the Blarney Stone as its more mundane properties, or atrtibutes

A very happy Chrismas to all! and the same to you as well
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I was always intrigued as to how the blarney stone managed to be part of the stone of Scone whilst being made out of completely different material...

The blarney stone is made out of bluestone, which is a sort of grey-ish colour - is any of this relevant? It is also built into a really inaccessible place in the walls of a castle (presumably so the locals get to laugh at tourists who go through the various contortions needed to kiss it) is that relevant?
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I was always intrigued as to how the blarney stone managed to be part of the stone of Scone whilst being made out of completely different material... the chances are that it was not the Stone of Ezel either, but Christmas is no time to be casting doubt on legends

The blarney stone is made out of bluestone, which is a sort of grey-ish colour - is any of this relevant? no It is also built into a really inaccessible place in the walls of a castle (presumably so the locals get to laugh at tourists who go through the various contortions needed to kiss it) is that relevant? not really - the idea is simply that the term "blarney" has passed into the language, and therefore occurs in song...
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sing Christmas In Killarney?
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sing Christmas In Killarney? an excellent suggestion. No sooner have I uttered the first lines of Christmas in Killarney than the door opens as if... well, as if it had always been open.

I am at one end of a corridor. There is nothing much to do but walk to the other end, so I do that. Or at least I try, but as I reach the halfway point, I rebound from what appears to be an invisible force field. No matter how I struggle, I cannot breach the field, and I am about to give up in despair when a voice says:

Ye cannae change the laws of physics.
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Hm...

Perhaps we need to sing a song about a Star? Or a Scottish Christmas song?

Beautiful Star of Bethlehem?
How brightly beams the morning star?

I'm Jewish. I'll need help here.
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Are the firm relevant?

Are there Clingons on the starboard bow?

Scottish physicists ?

So full of turkey i can't think straight
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Not Clingons, Klingons!
Beam me up, Scotty?
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Hm...

Perhaps we need to sing a song about a Star? we could try Or a Scottish Christmas song? we could try one of those also

Beautiful Star of Bethlehem? nothing happens. Of course, you wouldn't necessarily know if it did, because this ia an invisible force field. However, you still can't get through it.
How brightly beams the morning star?

I'm Jewish. I'll need help here. I am sure help is on its way.

Are the firm relevant? no

Are there Clingons on the starboard bow? I do not think castles have starboard bows.

Scottish physicists ? no

So full of turkey i can't think straight not to worry - thinking straight is not always the right approach to a lateral puzzle

Beam me up, Scotty? nothing happens, but a good try
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How about "Christmas in the Stars"?

I know it's Star Wars and not Star Trek... but if we can move the Blarney Stone from Cork to Killarney, then we can certainly put Scotty in Star Wars!
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How about "Christmas in the Stars"? nothing happens, but...

I know it's Star Wars and not Star Trek... but if we can move the Blarney Stone from Cork to Killarney, then we can certainly put Scotty in Star Wars! ...good thinking, though I didn't actually put the Blarney Stone itself in Killarney.
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What can you get a Wookie for christmas?
The odds against Christmas?

Star Trek Rhapsody?
Bohemian Rhapsody?

When You Wish Upon A Star?
A Spaceman Came Travelling?
Star Bright?
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What can you get a Wookie for christmas?
The odds against Christmas?

Star Trek Rhapsody?
Bohemian Rhapsody?

When You Wish Upon A Star?
A Spaceman Came Travelling?
Star Bright? none of those, sorry. As with the other clues, the significance of this one is not immediately apparent. I would forget about stars for the moment, if I were you.
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Jesus Christ the apple tree?
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Jesus Christ the apple tree? no, but a most interesting thought, and quite possibly the right kind of thinking...
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are we looking for a scottish christmas song?
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Twas the night before Christmas (a visit from St Nicholas)

Christmas in Heaven?
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Walking in the Air?
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are we looking for a scottish christmas song? no - the relevance of Lieutenant Commander Scott is not that he is Scottish, nor that he is called Scott, but...

Twas the night before Christmas (a visit from St Nicholas)

Christmas in Heaven?

Walking in the Air? none of these, sorry, but the last was a nice piece of thinking
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Let it snow?
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Let it snow? no - the question is not one of inevitability
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White Christmas?
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I'm gettin' sued by Santa Claus?
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White Christmas? no

I'm gettin' sued by Santa Claus? no - that is a song of which I have not heard
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aside to Woubit... try here... http://www.minibite.com/christmas/imgettinsuedbysanta.htm

Am I on the right track when trying to find ones that do break the laws of physics? or other laws?
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Is it relevant that Scotty's name was Montgomery?

Perhaps a Christmas song by John Michael Montgomery?
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Am I on the right track when trying to find ones that do break the laws of physics? well, the song in question certainly contains references to things that are physically impossible, but that may not be the easiest way to approach the puzzle or other laws? likewise. But help is at hand...

Is it relevant that Scotty's name was Montgomery? it most certainly is - well done

Perhaps a Christmas song by John Michael Montgomery? no, but stick with it
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Can I try trolling a few lines from Rudolph the Red nosed reindeer?
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Any of these by James Montgomery?

"Angels from the Realms of Glory?"
"Hail To the Lord's Anointed?"
"Come to Calvary's Holy Mountain?"
"Go to Dark Gethsemane?"
"Prayer is the Souls' Sincere Desire?"
"In the Hour of Trial?"
"Lift Up Your Heads?"
"Ye Gates of Brass?"
"For Ever with the Lord?"
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Can I try trolling a few lines from Rudolph the Red nosed reindeer? an excellent notion. If as you do so you also try walking to the end of the corridor, you will find your path no longer obstructed by the force field.

(This, as Tsoram has divined, is because Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer was the creation of Robert L May, an employee of the American retailer Montgomery Ward. I apologise for the obscurity of some of these clues, but the power of Google allied to the power of the brains on the LTPF means that I need to create a formidable challenge for you all to overcome.)


Any of these by James Montgomery?

"Angels from the Realms of Glory?"
"Hail To the Lord's Anointed?"
"Come to Calvary's Holy Mountain?"
"Go to Dark Gethsemane?"
"Prayer is the Souls' Sincere Desire?"
"In the Hour of Trial?"
"Lift Up Your Heads?"
"Ye Gates of Brass?"
"For Ever with the Lord?" none of them, I fear, but do not worry, for help has arrived.

At the end of the corridor is a junction - a meeting of four paths (including the one leading back to your cell). In the centre of the junction is the obligatory dwarf whose appearance in all lateral adventures is required by a statute of Pepin the Short.

"Where do these paths lead?" you ask him, wondering if he's going to be one of those people you meet in puzzles who can only say "Yes" or "No" and who may or may not tell the truth. But he seems chatty enough.

"One of them is on the way out of here", he says. "Another leads back to your cell, but you already knew that. The third leads to a pit filled with venomous snakes, and the fourth to something even worse - a discotheque."

"Which one is which?" you enquire, with no great optimism. Sure enough, the dwarf points to the path to your left and says "Not John's advice." He points to the path ahead of you and says "Not Percy's bird." Finally, he indicates the path to your right with the cryptic utterance "Not James's tremor."

He will say no more. Which path will you choose?
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I can only come up with the Skylark (for Percy's bird) and Parkinson's disease (for James's tremor). Not terribly festive. Perhaps we might try saying these things to the dwarf, just to see if he raises an eyebrow?
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I can only come up with the Skylark (for Percy's bird) the dwarf beams, but says nothing and Parkinson's disease (for James's tremor). and this wipes the grin off his face Not terribly festive. Perhaps we might try saying these things to the dwarf, just to see if he raises an eyebrow?
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Could Percy's bird be a Cockerel? Percy having been Hotspur, and the emblem of Tottenham Hotspur being a Cockerel?
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Could Percy's bird be a Cockerel? Percy having been Hotspur, and the emblem of Tottenham Hotspur being a Cockerel? it could indeed - a very fine piece of thinking. But judging by the broad grin on the face of the dwarf when I put Woodworm's suggestion to him, I am more inclined to believe that the Percy in question was Percival Bysshe Shelley, and the bird in question is a skylark.
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Oh right... had misunderstood the delight of the dwarf... so Parkinson's disease was wrong and the skylark was right?
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Oh right... had misunderstood the delight of the dwarf... so Parkinson's disease was wrong and the skylark was right? correct, or at least it will not help you to consider Parkinson's disease any further, while a brief study of Shelley's To a Skylark is likely to prove fruitful
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Should we be considering Henry James? James as in the group? James I? or II of Great Britain? any of the other five James of Scotland? King James Bible? St James?
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Should we be considering Henry James? James as in the group? James I? or II of Great Britain? any of the other five James of Scotland? King James Bible? St James? none of these, but to assist you in your search, you are looking for a human adult male and entirely fictitious James
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Blithe Spirit? (Noel Coward's name is suitably festive, I suppose).
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Blithe Spirit? (Noel Coward's name is suitably festive, I suppose). from the dwarf's expression - though he says nothing - you may assume that you have successfully identified the path ahead of you as the Noel Coward path. Well done.
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So is John HAM? Fictional?
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A very long shot: James Bond Island, near Phuket, was hit by the Boxing Day tsunami in 2004. (Looks hopefully at dwarf, not really expecting much of a twitch.)

Is anything shaken (not stirred)? Or are we looking for a different James?
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So is John HAM? Fictional? John was a real human adult male

A very long shot: James Bond Island, near Phuket, was hit by the Boxing Day tsunami in 2004. (Looks hopefully at dwarf, not really expecting much of a twitch.) and not getting one either, I'm afraid

Is anything shaken (not stirred)? no Or are we looking for a different James? and therefore yes, it would seem
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does John = James? or am I confused..?

is James in a profession? -

Artistic/musical/writer?
Banking/financial/real estate?
Clerical/Administrative?
Computer related / Hardware ?
Construction / Craftsman ?
Education / Academic Research ?
Entertainment / Media ?
Executive / Management ?
Hospitality / Travel ?
Legal Services ?
Manufacturing / Distributions ?
Medical / Health Services ?
Politics / Government / Military ?
Sales / Marketing ?
Technical / Science / Engineering ?
Teaching / Child care?
Transportation ?
Food Service ?
Sports?
Entertainment?
Jailbird / Criminal?
Religion?
Other?
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does John = James? no... or am I confused..? and therefore yes, but not to worry - I will answer your question for both John (who was a real human adult male, now dead) and James (who is a fictional human adult male)

is James in a profession? - both John and James are or were in professions

Artistic/musical/writer? John was a writer, and also an actor and director
Banking/financial/real estate?
Clerical/Administrative?
Computer related / Hardware ?
Construction / Craftsman ?
Education / Academic Research ?
Entertainment / Media ?
Executive / Management ?
Hospitality / Travel ? James may be said to have been a traveller, certainly
Legal Services ?
Manufacturing / Distributions ?
Medical / Health Services ?
Politics / Government / Military ?
Sales / Marketing ?
Technical / Science / Engineering ?
Teaching / Child care?
Transportation ? James was also involved in transportation, in more senses than one
Food Service ?
Sports?
Entertainment? see above for John. James also provided much in the way of entertainment, but only by virtue of being a fictional character
Jailbird / Criminal?
Religion?
Other?
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ah right, I can see now where John comes from sorry! :0)

did James operate the transportation? is the transport train? car? bus? boat/ship? plane? lorry?

did John write books? poems? is he a 21st century writer? 20th? 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th? 15th?
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ah right, I can see now where John comes from sorry! :0)

did James operate the transportation? he was in charge of the operation of the transportation - he did not "operate" it all by himself is the transport train? car? bus? boat/ship? plane? it is, I suppose, a cross between a ship and a plane lorry?

did John write books? poems? he wrote a few books, but he is most renowned for writing plays is he a 21st century writer? 20th? this one 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th? 15th?
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some sort of hovercraft? seaplane?

John = John Galsworthy? John Guare? St John Hankin? John Synge? John Steinbeck?
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John Osborne? Try a little tenderness..... (moving from play - to song - to film) This Christmas.....??
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some sort of hovercraft? seaplane? neither of those - recall that James is a fictional character

John = John Galsworthy? John Guare? St John Hankin? John Synge? John Steinbeck? none of those, but help is at hand...

John Osborne? exactly and precisely so - well done Try a little tenderness..... (moving from play - to song - to film) This Christmas.....?? but not this, although it was a very good piece of thinking
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ahh spaceship? James Kirk?

is a specific play relevant? Look Back in Anger?
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ahh spaceship? James Kirk? absolutely - well done

is a specific play relevant? indeed Look Back in Anger? and well done again - the dwarf beams delightedly. Now then...
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Not John's advice - look forward in anger? look forward in happiness? or do I need to know something about the play?

Not James's tremor - so could this be written as not captain kirks tremor? is the relevant thing about Kirk his name? being a captain? the enterprise? another crew member?
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Don't Look Back In Anger: this must be another Noel: Mr Gallagher?
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A name that links the Tremor Brothers with James T Kirk is someone called Chris Pine, who apparently played both (the joys of Google!). Are we on the trail of the lonesome pine? A Christmas tree? Or have I shimmied up yet another eucalyptus?
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Also, I have discovered a Dr Helen Noel, a psychiatrist who analyses Capt. Kirk's brain tremors using a 'neural neutralizer', whatever that is. Anything to do with this?
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Not John's advice - look forward in anger? look forward in happiness? or do I need to know something about the play? nothing except its title

Not James's tremor - so could this be written as not captain kirks tremor? well, you need a synonym for "tremor" is the relevant thing about Kirk his name? yes being a captain? the enterprise? another crew member? and nothing else

Don't Look Back In Anger: this must be another Noel: Mr Gallagher? this elicits a round of applause from the dwarf, so you can be sure that you have now identified the Noel Gallagher path

A name that links the Tremor Brothers with James T Kirk is someone called Chris Pine, who apparently played both (the joys of Google!). Are we on the trail of the lonesome pine? A Christmas tree? Or have I shimmied up yet another eucalyptus? you need a different Kirk..

Also, I have discovered a Dr Helen Noel, a psychiatrist who analyses Capt. Kirk's brain tremors using a 'neural neutralizer', whatever that is. Anything to do with this? no, but a most impressive piece of research
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The Kirk's Alarm?
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The Kirk's Alarm? no, but good thinking
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A different Kirk than James in other words? What about... Kirk Wilhelsen?
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A different Kirk than James in other words? absolutely What about... Kirk Wilhelsen? I am afraid that the dwarf does not seem to have heard of this doubtless admirable fellow. Again, you need to think of synonyms for "tremor"...
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well as we have a Noel Gallagher and Coward paths, would the last be Noel Edmonds?

tremor = shake? shaking? earthquake? quiver? shiver? seizure? convulsion?
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well as we have a Noel Gallagher and Coward paths, would the last be Noel Edmonds? it would indeed - a much more lateral approach than looking for...

tremor = shake? shaking? ... Shaking Kirk Houston, an alias briefly adopted by the DJ and TV presenter Noel Edmonds earthquake? quiver? shiver? seizure? convulsion?

You now have three paths from which to choose (unless of course you'd rather just go back to your cell). The path to the left is named after Noel Gallagher (of the band Oasis and author of Don't Look Back In Anger, not the advice given by John Osborne). The path ahead of you is named after Noel Coward (author of Blithe Spirit, not the bird so described by Percy Shelley). The path to your right is named after Noel Edmonds (otherwise known as Shaking Kirk Houston, who was not James T. Kirk with a tremor).

Choose wisely.
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is it too simplistic to think Noel Gallagher of Oasis might be played at a disco? or do we have to make more lateral leaps, looking at other Gallaghers? his life? the song? a different song?
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is it too simplistic to think Noel Gallagher of Oasis might be played at a disco? he might very well be, for all I know or do we have to make more lateral leaps, looking at other Gallaghers? you don't need to do this his life? or this the song? or this a different song? but this might be an idea - the puzzle is based on Christmas songs, after all
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Is it an actual Oasis song/lyric which mentions christmas or perhaps provides a link to a christmas song by a different artist? Oasis had a song called "D'yer wanna be a spaceman" which would provide a tenuous link to Chris De Burgh's "A Spaceman Came Travelling"

If i were to choose the Noel Edmunds path and it was the wrong one could i swop it?
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Is it an actual Oasis song/lyric which mentions christmas or perhaps provides a link to a christmas song by a different artist? no - no further knowledge of the oeuvre of Oasis (or Coward or Osborne or Shelley or anyone else) is required Oasis had a song called "D'yer wanna be a spaceman" which would provide a tenuous link to Chris De Burgh's "A Spaceman Came Travelling" it might indeed, but this will not avail. You need do nothing particularly complex here - you have three Noels from which to choose...

If i were to choose the Noel Edmunds path and it was the wrong one could i swop it? it might depend on your resistance to snake venom. But if it leads to the discotheque, you will have no chance at all of escaping alive.
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On the basis of the First Noel - Noel Coward's path?
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On the basis of the First Noel - Noel Coward's path? brilliantly done - of the three you had to choose from, Coward was indeed The First Noel simply in terms of his date of birth.

You follow the path ahead of you. It leads neither to a snake pit nor a discotheque, but after a while you hear ghastly noises (though not as ghastly as the ones you would have heard had you followed the Noel Gallagher path). Jaws snap, wings beat, high-pitched screams fill the air...

Rounding a corner, you see the source of the cacophony. Two giant cockroaches are engaged in a battle to the death. They seem oblivious to your presence, but they are completely blocking the corridor, and you dare not venture closer lest you become embroiled in the conflict with dire consequences for you.

Music, it is said, hath charms to soothe the savage breast. Perhaps, if you can think of something to sing...
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Having found that cockroaches is a nickname for people from New South Wales (especially their Rugby league team) should we try a few lines from Six White boomers? If that doesn't work then "two little boys" might.
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Having found that cockroaches is a nickname for people from New South Wales (especially their Rugby league team) should we try a few lines from Six White boomers? you try those, but the cockroaches show no sign of giving up their struggle If that doesn't work then "two little boys" might. this, on the other hand, causes the giant insects to pause briefly and turn to face you. Unfortunately, they do not show any inclination to allow you to pass - instead, though the face of a giant cockroach is generally an inscrutable thing, you have the distinct impression that tearing you limb from limb is not far from uppermost in their thoughts. And if you'd ever heard "Two Little Boys", you could understand why.
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Oh I have... I have! just following the aussie link...and two little boys was a christmas hit in the UK!

Ok given that giant Ccokroaches are monsters (and no I don't tell them that!) start singing Monster's Holiday.
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Oh I have... I have! just following the aussie link...and two little boys was a christmas hit in the UK! indeed it was. God save our country.

Ok given that giant Cockroaches are monsters (and no I don't tell them that!) start singing Monster's Holiday. nothing very much happens - the cockroaches continue to flail away at one another
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It appears (improbably) that the Rolling Stones at one time called themselves The Cockroaches..... any help?
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It appears (improbably) that the Rolling Stones at one time called themselves The Cockroaches..... any help? they did indeed, but nothing by the Rolling Stones is going to placate these beasts, I am afraid
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Rolf Harris and Noel Edmonds on the same day? That's just cruel.

I vaguely remember once watching a postmodern arty film called 'Franz Kafka's It's A Wonderful Life' (geddit?), in which various neighbours brought Christmas gifts to cheer up a giant cockroach. Anything to do with this? With Kafka at all?

Any of the following relevant: Joe's Apartment? La Cucaracha? Pulp's 'Common People'? William Roache? (Here ends my knowledge of cockroaches.)
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I vaguely remember once watching a postmodern arty film called 'Franz Kafka's It's A Wonderful Life' (geddit?), in which various neighbours brought Christmas gifts to cheer up a giant cockroach. Anything to do with this? no With Kafka at all? no - that was some other puzzle

Any of the following relevant: Joe's Apartment? La Cucaracha? Pulp's 'Common People'? William Roache? (Here ends my knowledge of cockroaches.) none of them, but you may be pleased to learn that no specific knowledge of cockroaches is required to solve this puzzle, which would work just as well if the creatures whose fight blocks your way were ants
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cockroaches are beetles (beatles) - relevant?

Any of these songs helpful:

"Roaches" by Bobby Jimmy?

"Get Out Of My House, Roach" by The Shuffle?

"Doin' the Cockroac" by Modest Mouse?
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Just read the reference to ants which seems to negate my questions above :-(
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How about a blast of "Songs for insects" by Though Industry?

Am I thinking too concretely here? (well it's late - that's my only excuse.)
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Or maybe "Crush the insects" by Reverend Bizarre?!
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cockroaches are beetles (beatles) - relevant? no, but beetles are....?

Any of these songs helpful:

"Roaches" by Bobby Jimmy?

"Get Out Of My House, Roach" by The Shuffle?

"Doin' the Cockroac" by Modest Mouse? well, they may help to alleviate gloom in certain circumstances - and for all I know they may help keep one's house free from cockroaches. But they will not help in getting past these particular specimens.

Just read the reference to ants which seems to negate my questions above I am afraid so. But not to worry - perseverance is all.

How about a blast of "Songs for insects" by Though Industry? better - you do indeed require a more generic term than "cockroach"

Am I thinking too concretely here? (well it's late - that's my only excuse.) one can never tell in a woubit Christmas puzzle what kind of thinking may work. I certainly can't.

Or maybe "Crush the insects" by Reverend Bizarre?! not insects, but...
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Creepy crawlies? Vermin? Pests? Arthropods? Would the puzzle work with one cockroach? With three cockroaches? With two woodworms?
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Creepy crawlies? Vermin? Pests? Arthropods? none of these, but "creepy crawlies" is perhaps closest in that it is colloquial Would the puzzle work with one cockroach? no With three cockroaches? yes With two woodworms? yes
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Bugs?
Is the correct song"The Bug" by Dire Straits? Or "Bug" by Phish?
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Bugs? precisely so - well done
Is the correct song "The Bug" by Dire Straits? Or "Bug" by Phish? the correct song does not involve bugs in any way at all. Rather, you need to reflect on what these bugs are doing...
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Is Bugs Bunny passing by? If he sang a song how would he fare?
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Is Bugs Bunny passing by? ingenious thinking, but these are actual bugs If he sang a song how would he fare? better than I am doing, probably
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Am getting slightly hysterical at this stage. How about "We'll be ill for Christmas"?
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I don't suppose if I played them a round of Engelbert Humperwhatsit singing "Release Me", they'd let us go? No, thought not.
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Perhaps they need to hear a bit about "Kung Fu Fighting" from Carl Douglas? No? Okay.
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As they are having a battle I suppose it's not quite an "Ugly Bug Ball"? Thought not.
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Any music by Buggles relevant?

Are these cockroaches "Super Bugs"? Bugs in the system?
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Am getting slightly hysterical at this stage. How about "We'll be ill for Christmas"? I sincerely hope you weren't. Again, it might be an idea to reflect on what the bugs blocking your path are actually doing.

I don't suppose if I played them a round of Engelbert Humperwhatsit dinck, and a more apt choice it would be hard to imagine singing "Release Me", they'd let us go? No, thought not. you thought correctly, but after an earlier rendition of "Two Little Boys", these bugs seem now to regard you as merely an irritant, and disinclined to mete out condign punishment for singing "Please Release Me".

Perhaps they need to hear a bit about "Kung Fu Fighting" from Carl Douglas? No? Okay. No is right. Okay is wrong. But think about fighting...

As they are having a battle I suppose it's not quite an "Ugly Bug Ball"? Thought not. A battle is not a ball, although the difference is sometimes hard to appreciate. A battle, or a fight, or a struggle, might however also be described as a...

Any music by Buggles relevant? no more than it ever was, which is to say not at all

Are these cockroaches "Super Bugs"? Bugs in the system? no, they are perfectly ordinary bugs, if a bit on the large side, but I blame the junk food advertisements to which they were subjected as buglets.
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Punching, Nipping? karate, some sort of marshal arts?
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Ding Dong Merrily on High?
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Punching, Nipping? karate, some sort of marshal arts? not a specific form of fighting - just another word for a fight, or a quarrel, or an argument, or a dispute... incidentally, "martial arts" include karate; "marshal arts" are limited only to gunfights at the OK Corral

Ding Dong Merrily on High? absolutely brilliant, and I wish it were the right answer
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battle? brawl? war? scuffle? duel? row?
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battle? brawl? war? scuffle? duel? row? none of these, nor yet Sunshine's wonderful "ding-dong". "Scuffle" is closest, both in terms of the magnitude of the quarrel and in terms of sounding like the word you seek.
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cafuffle? not sure about the spelling
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cafuffle? not sure about the spelling cafuffle, gefuffle, kerfuffle and the like are all fine as far as the clever men at Oxford are concerned. But this isn't a cafuffle. For this, you need muscle...
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Skirmish? Spat?
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Skirmish? Spat? not these - forget the preliminary "s"
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brawl? wrestle?
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tussle?
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brawl? not close wrestle? much closer, but the vowel sound in "scuffle" was the right one. Again, apologies for obscurity, but I cannot tell in advance what will be obscure and what will not.
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tussle? my apologies again - this time for doubting you. What you are witnessing is indeed a tussle between a pair of bugs. Now then...
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Hmm.. "A tussle between a pair of bugs" eh?

wild speculations ..

Anagrams of "pair bugs tussle" include, "Bluegrass Situp". Maybe that could get the cockroaches doing aerobics to some banjo, and also "Upstairs Bugles" but maybe that'll sound a bit harsh.

"Bug Tussle" is the name of a small town in Texas but that's probably an improbable coincidence?

These two bugs, do they refer to two persons?
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Bug tussle bug appears to be some kind of software for tracking computer bugs. I know when I'm out of my depth.....
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Hmm.. "A tussle between a pair of bugs" eh?

wild speculations ..

Anagrams of "pair bugs tussle" include, "Bluegrass Situp". Maybe that could get the cockroaches doing aerobics to some banjo, and also "Upstairs Bugles" but maybe that'll sound a bit harsh. wonderful thinking, but your next thought - though more prosaic - is going to prove more helpful...

"Bug Tussle" is the name of a small town in Texas but that's probably an improbable coincidence? ...on the contrary - all you need to do is identify the most famous residents of Bug Tussle, and you will (almost) be on your way

These two bugs, do they refer to two persons? no, they refer to two bugs

Bug tussle bug appears to be some kind of software for tracking computer bugs. I know when I'm out of my depth..... you need know nothing about software for tracking computer bugs
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I see

Looking at Google, could this be The Clampetts (The Beverly Hill Billies)?
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I don't know where I got Texas from but there is a Bugtussle in Oklahoma and a Bug Tussle in Kentucky according to Google.

The only other famous name I can find is that of a real person: Carl Albert (politician and contemporary of John F Kennedy)
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Looking at Google, could this be The Clampetts (The Beverly Hill Billies)? it most certainly could - well done. Et maintenant?
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The only other famous name I can find is that of a real person: Carl Albert (politician and contemporary of John F Kennedy) never heard of him. Stick with your first thought.
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I reckon we need help from fellow puzzlers here - not sure where to go. But some ideas...

Music associated with The Beverly Hill Billies:

"The Ballad of Jed Clampett" (and stragely enough its Bluegrass)

"Money for Nothing/Beverly Hillbillies" is a song by "Weird Al" Yankovic. It is a parody of "Money for Nothing" by Dire Straits and The Beverly Hillbillies theme song.

There are a whole lot of individuals in Clampett family and the Drysdales were their neighbours.

Do we need to look elsewhere for the correct thread?
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Music associated with The Beverly Hill Billies:

"The Ballad of Jed Clampett" (and stragely enough its Bluegrass)

"Money for Nothing/Beverly Hillbillies" is a song by "Weird Al" Yankovic. It is a parody of "Money for Nothing" by Dire Straits and The Beverly Hillbillies theme song.

There are a whole lot of individuals in Clampett family and the Drysdales were their neighbours.

Do we need to look elsewhere for the correct thread? no - you need only remember that this puzzle is about Christmas songs. The Hillbillies themselves are not relevant - all that matters is their new address once they moved from Bug Tussle.
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One Beverley Knight, doubtless a name in everyone else's vocabulary, appears to have been involved in a 2004 re-recording of Do They Know It's Christmas.... How do the cockroaches feel about that?
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One Beverley Knight, doubtless a name in everyone else's vocabulary, appears to have been involved in a 2004 re-recording of Do They Know It's Christmas.... How do the cockroaches feel about that? disinclined to allow you to progress further, I am afraid - but insofar as a cockroach is capable of being impressed by a piece of thinking, these ones appear impressed
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Don't suppose they're moved by the knowledge that the Beverley Sisters sang the song Sisters from White Christmas? No, I thought not!
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Try White Christmas (I've never seen such a day/ In Beverly Hills, LA}?
Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
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Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 3:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Woodworm...I'm impressed with your knowledge of christmas songs! Few enough people know that first verse!
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Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 8:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Don't suppose they're moved by the knowledge that the Beverley Sisters sang the song Sisters from White Christmas? No, I thought not! you thought correctly, but help has arrived...

Try White Christmas (I've never seen such a day/ In Beverly Hills, LA)? a splendid notion. As you begin your best Bing impersonation, the cockroaches cease their strife and listen enraptured. This allows you not only to pass them, but to reach the end of the passage.

A small door is set in the wall of the castle. You expect this to be locked, but to your amazement it opens easily as you turn the handle. A narrow path leads away from the castle to... well, to wherever you want it to go.


Woodworm...I'm impressed with your knowledge of Christmas songs! Few enough people know that first verse! I have been impressed, as always, with the knowledge, the capacity for research and the imagination of the LTPF. Christmas and the Epiphany are behind us now, so thank you all for taking part, and

***** SPOILER *****
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Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 12:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Shucks - I was hoping the door would be locked! I don't usually enjoy 'googlish' puzzles but this one had me hooked and made a holiday period much more fun than it would otherwise have been. Thanks for all your efforts - and patience!

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