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Because of Romana's good fortune, an insult directed at her was accurate, but not in the intended sense.
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Romana suffered from anosmia for many years, but one day her sense of smell was miraculously restored. So when someone shouted at her "you smell", it was actually true. Hmmm. Maybe unlikely. But more seriously: does this puzzle hang on the double meaning of a word, along those lines?
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Romana suffered from anosmia for many years, but one day her sense of smell was miraculously restored. So when someone shouted at her "you smell", it was actually true. Hmmm. Maybe unlikely.Clever but not my puzzle But more seriously: does this puzzle hang on the double meaning of a word, along those lines? yesish
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Romana = H? A? F?
Her = Romana?
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Romana = H? yes A? probably F? yes but irrel
Her = Romana?
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Her good fortune - winning something? avoiding some loss? recovering from an illness?
If she hadn't enjoyed her good fortune, would the insult have been accurate for the intended reason? Or not accurate at all?
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You missed my last question: the "her" in the puzzle statement is Romana?
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Her good fortune - winning something? no avoiding some loss? no recovering from an illness? no
If she hadn't enjoyed her good fortune, would the insult have been accurate for the intended reason? no Or not accurate at all? yes
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You missed my last question: the "her" in the puzzle statement is Romana?yes
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Is gambling relevent? Anything to do with black or red?
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Is gambling relevent? no Anything to do with black or red? no
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Is it relevant who insulted her? Is it relevant why? Did they intend the insult to be accurate, or was it just a general hurtful thing to say (eg you might tell someone, "you're an idiot" even though they are perfectly intelligent really)

Was Romana offended by the insult? If not, would she have been offended if she had not had the good fortune? Was the insult refering to her appearance? Intelligence? Personality? Was her good fortune related to any of these things?

Did the good fortune mean that the intended meaning of the insult was not true? Or just meant that it was also true in another way?
Did the insulter know about Romana's good fortune? Relevant?

Did the good fortune change the very thing about her that the insult had been directed at?

Other than Romana's good fortune and the thing about her that was insulted. do we need to know anything else about her? Any other relevant people than Romana and the insulter?
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Is it relevant who insulted her? no Is it relevant why? yes Did they intend the insult to be accurate, or was it just a general hurtful thing to say (eg you might tell someone, "you're an idiot" even though they are perfectly intelligent really) the former

Was Romana offended by the insult? irrel If not, would she have been offended if she had not had the good fortune? Was the insult refering to her appearance? noIntelligence? noish or yope Personality? no Was her good fortune related to any of these things? no, yes. yope

Did the good fortune mean that the intended meaning of the insult was not true? no Or just meant that it was also true in another way? yes
Did the insulter know about Romana's good fortune? irrel Relevant?

Did the good fortune change the very thing about her that the insult had been directed at? yesish

Other than Romana's good fortune and the thing about her that was insulted. do we need to know anything else about her? yes Any other relevant people than Romana and the insulter? yes
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Her good fortune was related to her intelligence...was it purely good luck, or was a certain amount of effort from Romana needed? Did she become more intelligent? Did she receive the oppurtunity to improve her intelligence?
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Few extra questions...did she pass an exam? Achieve some other thing for which intelligence is needed?
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Her good fortune was related to her intelligence...was it purely good luck, or was a certain amount of effort from Romana needed? the latter Did she become more intelligent? no Did she receive the oppurtunity to improve her intelligence? no
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Few extra questions...did she pass an exam? no Achieve some other thing for which intelligence is needed? yes
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HINT: Find out exactly what Romana achieved.
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Did she...

...get a job offer? a promotion?
...get accepted into a college? graduate school?
...win a competition? an award?
...invent something? discover something? publish something?
...solve a problem? figure something out?

Is her job relevant?
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Did she...

...get a job offer? no a promotion? no
...get accepted into a college? no graduate school? no
...win a competition? no an award? no
...invent something? no discover something? no publish something? YES--now find out details about this
...solve a problem? no figure something out? no
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Was she a writer? Is she you?
Did she get a book published? Short story? Newspaper/magazine article?
Had she been trying to get something published for a long time and finally managed it? Is it relevant whether she was paid for this?
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Was she a writer? yes Is she you? yesish but irrel. i.e., no one actually insulted me this way (that I know of), but I realized such an insult couild apply to me
Did she get a book published? no Short story? no Newspaper yes/magazine article no? Actually, it was a poem & an op-ed
Had she been trying to get something published for a long time and finally managed it? no Is it relevant whether she was paid for this? no
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The "good fortune" still seems unclear to me... is it related to economy ("she was well off")?
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The "good fortune" still seems unclear to me... is it related to economy ("she was well off")? No, the good fortune is just that her submissions were published
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Could this puzzle still work if Romana had had something different published? A book? Magazine article? Is the other meaning of the insult connected to her being a writer?
Would it work if she'd had, say, a photograph she took published?
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Could this puzzle still work if Romana had had something different published? Depends on what A book? no Magazine article? possibly Is the other meaning of the insult connected to her being a writer? see below
Would it work if she'd had, say, a photograph she took published? possibly
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HINT: All that is relevant about the publication is the sort of place where it appeared: probably a newspaper but possibly a magazine. (The actual case was a newspaper
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Was the insult along the lines of "You are..."? "You look..."? Is it a common insult? If somebody were to say it to Romana in csual conversation, would she be insulted or would she take it as the secon meaning?
Was it shouted at her in the street? Were other people there to hear it? Relevant?
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Was the insult along the lines of "You are..."? no "You look..."? noIs it a common insult? yesish If somebody were to say it to Romana in csual conversation, would she be insulted or would she take it as the secon meaning? Both meranings are insulting, but almost everyone would take is as the first meaning
Was it shouted at her in the street? no Were other people there to hear it? irrel Relevant? no
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Was the insult supposed to be true in a figurative sense, but was now true in a literal sense? Or vice versa? Is there a specific word in the insult that could have two different meanings? Or a phrase?
Was the insult anything to do with newspapers or magazines? With being published?
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Was the insult supposed to be true in a figurative sense, but was now true in a literal sense?yes Or vice versa? no Is there a specific word in the insult that could have two different meanings? yesish Or a phrase? yes
Was the insult anything to do with newspapers or magazines? With being published? Neither the literal nor the figurative insult mentions newspapers, magazines, or gettiung published, but, of course, the literal form can apply to someone who publishes in a newspaper or magazine
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Did the intended insult pertain to:

her age?
her attractiveness (or otherwise)?
her upbringing?
her weight/size?
her sexual proclivities?
her family?
her education?
her personal hygiene?
her intelligence?
her social class?
her race? religion?
her kindness (or otherwise) to others?

When interpreted in the second way (ie the publication-related way), would the insult imply:

that the writing was weak?
ill-informed?
self-aggrandizing?
verbose?
that she had been pushy in getting published?
obsequious towards her editors?
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Did the intended insult pertain to:

her age? no
her attractiveness (or otherwise)? no
her upbringing? no
her weight/size? no
her sexual proclivities? no
her family? no
her education? no
her personal hygiene? no
her intelligence?yope
her social class? no
her race? no religion? no
her kindness (or otherwise) to others? no

When interpreted in the second way (ie the publication-related way) false assumption--both ways were related to the publication, would the insult imply:

that the writing was weak? yes
ill-informed? not specifically
self-aggrandizing? no
verbose? no
that she had been pushy in getting published? no
obsequious towards her editors? no
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Anything to do with the word Weekly? i.e you write weakly would be accurate if she was contributing to a paper on a weekly basis?
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Anything to do with the word Weekly?no i.e you write weakly would be accurate if she was contributing to a paper on a weekly basis? no
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HINT: THINK OF A VERY COMMON & VERY GENERAL INSULT.
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anything to do with plagiarism??
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anything to do with plagiarism?? no
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anything to do with the word 'sense'?
(sorry if these are ridiculous/irrelevant Qs-have not done this before!)
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anything to do with the word 'sense'? no
(sorry if these are ridiculous/irrelevant Qs (Irrelevant questions are inevitable--they rule out possibilities & help puzzles get solved.)before!)
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"You're a poor writer"? Although that wouldn't be very fortunate if it did happen to be accurate in either sense...
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"You're a poor writer"? Although that wouldn't be very fortunate if it did happen to be accurate in either sense... no
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The usual meaning of the insult - would it mean that Romana was stupid? less intelligent than average? That she was bad at some specific thing? writing? reading? forming sentences?

Would the insult be literally true of anyone who ever had anything published in that particular newspaper? Of anyone who had exactly one poem published? Could it be literally true of someone who had never had anything published anywhere?
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The usual meaning of the insult - would it mean that Romana was stupid? see next answer but one less intelligent than average? see next answerThat she was bad at some specific thing? yes writing? yes reading? no forming sentences? well, writing

Would the insult be literally true of anyone who ever had anything published in that particular newspaper? yes Of anyone who had exactly one poem published?yes Could it be literally true of someone who had never had anything published anywhere? yes
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Did they say that "you are a 'bloop' writer" where bloop is some adjective/adjectival phrase we have yet to discover?
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Did they say that "you are a 'bloop' writer" where bloop is some adjective/adjectival phrase we have yet to discover?no
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Something like "that's rich coming from you" given that being published might have made her feel comparatively well off?
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Something like "that's rich coming from you" given that being published might have made her feel comparatively well off? NO
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Taking a hint from the capital letters... was she paid for her writing? paid well? Did someone imply that she was a poor writer? that, say, her writing wasn't worth the paper it was written on?
Is some play on "poor" meaning poor quality and "poor" meaning "not rich"? relevant? Something similar?
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Taking a hint from the capital letters Don't--I judt forgot to press the "shift" bar after writing an unrelated email reply in capitals... was she paid for her writing? irrel paid well? ditto Did someone imply that she was a poor writer? not in those words that, say, her writing wasn't worth the paper it was written on? no
Is some play on "poor" meaning poor quality and "poor" meaning "not rich"? no relevant? no Something similar? yesish
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Was the article written about something negative? Like... slavery or working conditions during the industrial revolution or what inspectors don't catch during restaurant inspections? Did somebody just read the story and say something like "Wow, that's bad."? Did the author take that exclamation to mean that he/she had touched the reader and made her point? Meanwhile, the reader was just having a hard time getting through the article because it was written so poorly?
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Was the article written about something negative? irrel Like... slavery or working conditions during the industrial revolution or what inspectors don't catch during restaurant inspections? irrel Did somebody just read the story and say something like "Wow, that's bad."? no Did the author take that exclamation to mean that he/she had touched the reader and made her point? not applicable Meanwhile, the reader was just having a hard time getting through the article because it was written so poorly? irrel
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Would it help to find out what made the writing so bad/poor? I.e. Did she have an unfortunate choice of article title? Is her English not what it should be? Is her grammar bad? Spelling? Homonymns relevant? Is English even her first language? Did the critic say something along the lines of "Did you just learn English?"
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Would it help to find out what made the writing so bad/poor?false assumption. The colloquia & intended sensde of the insultmeant that her writing was poor, but the accurate sense did not. Why the speaker disliked her writing is irrel I.e. Did she have an unfortunate choice of article title? see previous answer Is her English not what it should be? ditto Is her grammar bad? ditto Spelling? ditto Homonymns relevant? no Is English even her first language? irrel Did the critic say something along the lines of "Did you just learn English?" no
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Was it "this is awful" and "this is aweful"?
Did she write a lateral thinking puzzle?
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Was it "this is awful" and "this is aweful"?no
Did she write a lateral thinking puzzle? no
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Was the expression more along the lines of...

"I can't read this."
"I can't discipher this."
"I don't understand."

Was it the writer's intent to be deliberately... difficult to read/interpret/discipher?
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An insult about a poem and an Opinion/Editorial? Or just the poem? Just the Op-Ed?

Typical response to such pieces (in more words,usually):
"I disagree."
"Ugly."
"Pretty."
"Will you go out with me?"
"Lesbo." or "Feminazi."

Any of these along the right lines?
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An insult about a poem and an Opinion/Editorial? irrel Or just the poem? ditto Just the Op-Ed? ditto

Typical response to such pieces (in more words,usually):
"I disagree."
"Ugly."
"Pretty."
"Will you go out with me?"
"Lesbo." or "Feminazi."

Any of these along the right lines? no
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Not sure if this has been asked, but is her "Good fortune" merely being published, or is there something more?
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After a google search, maybe this is it?
Is "Romana" Romana Petri?
Is what she published "The Umbrian War"?
If so, was the insult "This is dead language!" or something along those lines? And of course, it really was, as Umbrian is a dead language.
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Not sure if this has been asked, but is her "Good fortune" merely being published, or is there something more?the former
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After a google search, maybe this is it? no
Is "Romana" Romana Petri? No--she's this forum's very own Felicia Nimue
Is what she published "The Umbrian War"? no
If so, was the insult "This is dead language!" or something along those lines? no And of course, it really was, as Umbrian is a dead language.
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Is the insult related to "poetic license"?
Did Romana...
Use too many generalities?
Take too many liberties?
Write a bad poem?
Take advantage of reader suspension of disbelief?

Would the insult be more directed at the poem? At the op-ed piece? Both? Does Romana need to have her "poetic license" revoked?
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Is the insult related to "poetic license"?no
Did Romana...
Use too many generalities?irrel
Take too many liberties? irrel
Write a bad poem? irrel
Take advantage of reader suspension of disbelief? irrel

Would the insult be more directed at the poem? irrel At the op-ed piece? irrel Both? irrel Does Romana need to have her "poetic license" revoked? irrel
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Mkay... the person who wrote it (you) is irrelevant, the type of piece(s) is irrelevant, the text itself is irrelevant... only that the pieces were published is relevant?

Is the name of the publication/newspaper relevant?
Is the reputation of the author relevant?
What about the name of the author? (I.e. Somebody might have uttered "Never heard of you.")
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Mkay... the person who wrote it (you) is irrelevant, yes the type of piece(s) is irrelevant yope, the text itself is irrelevant yes... only that the pieces were published is relevant? no

Is the name of the publication/newspaper relevant? no
Is the reputation of the author relevant? no
What about the name of the author? no(I.e. Somebody might have uttered "Never heard of you.") I'm sure many people did, but it's irrel
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Is the type of piece somewhat relevant then? I.e. Did somebody proclaim that one or both pieces shouldn't be in the newspaper?
Was it highly unlikely that the pieces were going to be published to begin with? I.e. Only because of missed deadlines or extra space did the pieces make it into the paper at all?
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Is the type of piece somewhat relevant then? yesish I.e. Did somebody proclaim that one or both pieces shouldn't be in the newspaper? no
Was it highly unlikely that the pieces were going to be published to begin with? noI.e. Only because of missed deadlines or extra space did the pieces make it into the paper at all? no
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Do the two pieces have absolutely nothing to do with each other? Do they have everything to do with each other? Was the same material used for inspiration on both?
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Do the two pieces have absolutely nothing to do with each other? irrel Do they have everything to do with each other? irrel Was the same material used for inspiration on both? irrel
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Ok... we've already established that the criticism wasn't directed at your poem or your Op-ed or that they were irrelevant.

Does the criticism involve suggesting that you write something more worthwhile? Something different? I.e. You should write the news! You should work on serious journalism or have your own column. (Not these fluff pieces/space fillers.)
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Ok... we've already established that the criticism wasn't directed at your poem or your Op-ed or that they were irrelevant. No, the criticism was directed at at least one of these, but which one is irrel

Does the criticism involve suggesting that you write something more worthwhile? no Something different? noI.e. You should write the news! You should work on serious journalism or have your own column. no (Not these fluff pieces/space fillers.)
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If which one was irrelevant... does that mean there is something the two pieces have in common? Was it your by-line? I mean, Romana's by-line?
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If which one was irrelevant... does that mean there is something the two pieces have in common? Yes--but you already knpow what it vis--they were published in a newspaper Was it your by-line? see previous answer I mean, Romana's by-line? ditto
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Is the choice of newspaper the source of critique? Is it a small newspaper? A tabloid? A large newspaper? A school newspaper? Is it an upstanding newspaper, but just happens to have an unfortunate title?

I was on the newspaper staff for "The Hustler" - which is actually the name of Vanderbilt University's school paper (named after one of the old faculty) and has been the name long before the Magazine of similar name and far more ill repute came out.
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Is the choice of newspaper the source of critique? no Is it a small newspaper? irrel A tabloid? dittoA large newspaper? ditto A school newspaper? dittoIs it an upstanding newspaper, but just happens to have an unfortunate title? no--it's a perfectly normal title

I was on the newspaper staff for "The Hustler" - which is actually the name of Vanderbilt University's school paper (named after one of the old faculty) and has been the name long before the Magazine of similar name and far more ill repute came out.wheeeeeeeee
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Did the fact that she was criticized act as free advertising/lead to more publicity?

Did she have a disability?
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Did the fact that she was criticized act as free advertising/lead to more publicity? no

Did she have a disability? no
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So Romana's good fortune was that she got published, both articles in the same newspaper... and got paid for her work? Does the insult have anything to do with her wealth? Her compensation? Is the insult strictly towards the writing itself?

Do any of the following appear in the insult: Reporter? Editor? Producer? Journalist? Newshound? Chief?
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So Romana's good fortune was that she got published, both articles in the same newspaper... The only thing relevant is that she got published in a newspaper--one piece would work as well as two and got paid for her work payment is irrel? Does the insult have anything to do with her wealth? no Her compensation? noIs the insult strictly towards the writing itself? yes

Do any of the following appear in the insult: Reporter? Editor? Producer? Journalist? Newshound? Chief? no
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The insult is strictly about the writing? But the content of the writing or choice/number of articles is completely irrelevant? What about the length of the article? Was she particularly verbose or used long words? Too many small words?

Is there another quality/charicteristic about this writing that needs to be discovered in order to derive the insult?
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The insult is strictly about the writing? yes But the content of the writing or choice/number of articles is completely irrelevant? yes What about the length of the article? Was she particularly verbose or used long words? Too many small words? The criticism just expresses dislike of the piece; it does not get specific

Is there another quality/charicteristic about this writing that needs to be discovered in order to derive the insult? no
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"You're lucky you got published"?
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"You're lucky you got published"? No. (How would that be ambiguous??)
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Depends on where the pauses fall and tone of voice. i.e. "You're Lucky! You got published." vs. "You're lucky you got published." Written humor is different from spoken humor because of these nuances. I.e. What did the fish say when it swam into the concrete wall? Answer: Dam! You have to say it out loud for it to be funny.

Would you have to solicit the criticism for it to make sense? Does the criticism make more (any?) sense if it's in response to the question "What did you think of the piece?"? "Did you read my article?"? Did you like my story?"?
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Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
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Depends on where the pauses fall and tone of voice. i.e. "You're Lucky! You got published." vs. "You're lucky you got published." Good point--the first is a bit insulting too, but less than the secondWritten humor is different from spoken humor because of these nuances. I.e. What did the fish say when it swam into the concrete wall? Answer: Dam! You have to say it out loud for it to be funny. Actually, I think punctuation takes care of both cases

Would you have to solicit the criticism for it to make sense? no Does the criticism make more (any?) sense if it's in response to the question "What did you think of the piece?"? "Did you read my article?"? Did you like my story?"? It makes sense in response to those questions but no more sense than it would make if it arose spontaneously
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Did the insult imply (or state) that you should get a job doing something else?
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Did the insult imply (or state) that you should get a job doing something else? It certainlt doesn't state it. If it implies it, the implication is pretty loose
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"Don't quit your day job."?

Is the insult a fairly common expression?
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"Don't quit your day job."? no


Is the insult a fairly common expression? VERY!!
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Does it include the word "worth"?
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Does it include the word "worth"?no
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Earlier you said:

"The colloquia & intended sense of the insult meant that her writing was poor, but the accurate sense did not"

Are we looking here for a word/phrase that has a specific meaning but has come to have a popular negative meaning? something stating that you or your writing were/was intelligent but phrased in such a way that this was meant as an insult eg 'too clever by half'?
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Earlier you said:

"The colloquia & intended sense of the insult meant that her writing was poor, but the accurate sense did not"

Are we looking here for a word/phrase that has a specific meaning but has come to have a popular negative meaning? yes something stating that you or your writing were/was intelligent but phrased in such a way that this was meant as an insult eg 'too clever by half'? no

HINT: Neither sense of the insult applies only to writing.
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Is it a single word that has the double meaning? or a phrase?

Is it just a generic insult? an insult directed at one's intelligence? one's character? one's demonstration of a skill? one's expression of oneself?
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Is it a single word that has the double meaning? yesor a phrase? Well, the phrase also has a double meaning but that arises from the different word meanings

Is it just a generic insult? yes an insult directed at one's intelligence? see previous answer one's character? ditto one's demonstration of a skill? ditto one's expression of oneself? ditto
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Does the word with the double meaning function as the same part of speech in both meanings of the phrase? If so: is it a noun? a verb? an adjective? an adverb? something else?
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Does the word with the double meaning function as the same part of speech in both meanings of the phrase? yesIf so: is it a noun? a verb? an adjective? an adverb? something else? it is a noun
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Does the insult contain the word "are"?
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Does the phrase include some mention of good fortune? I.e. the word "Lucky"?
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Does the insult contain the word "are"? Could be 'are' or 'is' depending on how many newspaper pieces they are referring to
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Does the phrase include some mention of good fortune?no I.e. the word "Lucky"? no
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Does the insult contain any word meaning rubbish?
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Does the insult contain any word meaning rubbish? yes!!
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The word rubbish? Something that could be construed as her articles only being good for the rubbish bin?

In the intended meaning, would the word meaning rubbish be describing Romana herself? Her writing ability? Her articles?

In the second meaning, would the word meaning rubbish be describing Romana herself? Her writing ability? Her articles?

Is it the word meaning rubbish that can have two meanings?
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The word rubbish? no. A word that figuratively has a similar meaning Something that could be construed as her articles only being good for the rubbish bin? no

In the intended meaning, would the word meaning rubbish be describing Romana herself? no Her writing ability? see next answer Her articles? yes

In the second meaning, would the word meaning rubbish be describing Romana herself? no Her writing ability? no Her articles? yesish. I'm talking the first meaning to be the intnded, common, non-literal meaning & the second to be the ;literal meaning}

Is it the word meaning rubbish that can have two meanings? yes, but we're really concerned with its occurrence in a phrase
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straight from an online thesaurus:

balderdash? bilge? bosh? crap? debris? detritus? dreck? drivel? dross? ejectamenta? foolishness? garbage? garble? gibberish? hogwash? junk? leavings? litter? nonsense? offal? offscouring? pish? poppycock? refuse? remains? riffraff? rubble? rummage? scoria? slop? trash? tripe? trumpery? waste? worthless?
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straight from an online thesaurus:

balderdash? bilge? bosh? crap? debris? detritus? dreck? drivel? dross? ejectamenta? foolishness? garbage? garble? gibberish? hogwash? junk? leavings? litter? nonsense? offal? offscouring? pish? poppycock? refuse? remains? riffraff? rubble? rummage? scoria? slop? trash? tripe? trumpery? waste? worthless?Crap. Now it should be easy!! Remember, it's part of a very common phrase!!
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I'm still giggling at the word 'ejectamenta'

So the relevant phrase is:

Cut the crap?
You don't know crap?
Holy crap?
To shoot craps?

Perhaps Romana had published a treatise on faeces, and a reviewer had said to her: 'clearly, you don't know crap'?

Anything along these lines?
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I'm still giggling at the word 'ejectamenta''Scoria' is pretty good, too

So the relevant phrase is:

Cut the crap? no
You don't know crap? no
Holy crap? no
To shoot craps? no

Perhaps Romana had published a treatise on faeces, and a reviewer had said to her: 'clearly, you don't know crap'? no

Anything along these lines? Well, what counts as being along those lines? It's a very, very common insult that includes the word 'crap.'
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A load of crap? A piece of crap? Full of crap?
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A load of crap? no A piece of crap? no Full of crap?yes

*********SPOILER*****

When Romana's got her piece published in her city's newspaper,someone said, "Your piece is full of crap," which was literally true, since newspapers are often used to line birdcages or in litter boxes for small dogs. I'm surprused it was so hard, but I know I'm a crappy judge of a puzzle's difficulty.Please check out my new one!!

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