| Author | Message | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 559 Registered: 5-2007 |
When they praised his organization's work, he knew it wasn't doing its job. | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 1023 Registered: 6-2007 |
his = he? it = its? is his organization a private company? a government? an institution? is it a true story? any occupation relevant? time period? is his organization either of the its? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 560 Registered: 5-2007 |
his = he? Yes it = its? Yes is his organization a private company? a government? an institution? This one is it a true story? Yes any occupation relevant? Yes time period? Yes is his organization either of the its? Yes | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 1026 Registered: 6-2007 |
Any of these relevant? Artistic/musical/writer? Banking/financial/real estate? Clerical/Administrative? Computer related / Hardware ? Construction / Craftsman ? Education / Academic Research ? Entertainment / Media ? Executive / Management ? Hospitality / Travel ? Legal Services ? Manufacturing / Distributions ? Medical / Health Services ? Politics / Government / Military ? Security / Law Enforcement? Sales / Marketing ? Technical / Science / Engineering ? Teaching / Child care? Transportation /Livery / Trucking ? Food Service ? Sports? Entertainment? Jailbird / Criminal? Religion? Other? century..18th, 19th, 20th 21st? is it due to the praise that he knew the organization wasn't doing its job? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 561 Registered: 5-2007 |
Any of these relevant? Artistic/musical/writer? Banking/financial/real estate? Clerical/Administrative? Computer related Yes / Hardware ? Construction / Craftsman ? Education / Academic Research ? Yes Entertainment / Media ? Executive / Management ? Hospitality / Travel ? Legal Services ? Manufacturing / Distributions ? Medical / Health Services ? Politics / Government / Military ? Security / Law Enforcement? Sales / Marketing ? Technical / Science / Engineering ? Teaching / Child care? Transportation /Livery / Trucking ? Food Service ? Sports? Entertainment? Jailbird / Criminal? Religion? Other? century..18th, 19th, 20th 21st? Yes is it due to the praise that he knew the organization wasn't doing its job? Yes | ||
| Mosquito (Mosquito)
New member Username: Mosquito Post Number: 434 Registered: 4-2005 |
Were the organization and its work supposed to be a secret? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 562 Registered: 5-2007 |
Were the organization and its work supposed to be a secret? No | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2415 Registered: 2-2001 |
Relevant who "they" were? Hackers? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 563 Registered: 5-2007 |
Relevant who "they" were? Yes Hackers? No | ||
| Takemeaway10 (Takemeaway10)
New member Username: Takemeaway10 Post Number: 2 Registered: 1-2008 |
Were "they" supposed to be disappointed with the organization? Upset? Angered? Is money relevant? Religion? Location of institution? Is this an institution of learning? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 588 Registered: 5-2007 |
Were "they" supposed to be disappointed with the organization? No Upset? No Angered? No Is money relevant? No Religion? No Location of institution? No Is this an institution of learning? Yes | ||
| Adryghi (Adryghi)
New member Username: Adryghi Post Number: 10 Registered: 1-2008 |
Is the organization a school? a high school? an university? a correctional institution? Are "they" some sort of criminals? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 597 Registered: 5-2007 |
Is the organization a school? a high school? an university? Yes a correctional institution? Are "they" some sort of criminals? No | ||
| Adryghi (Adryghi)
New member Username: Adryghi Post Number: 11 Registered: 1-2008 |
Are "they" the competition? People that work in the university? Students of the university? Are "they" people? An organization? Several organizations? Are "they" journalists? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 602 Registered: 5-2007 |
Are "they" the competition? No People that work in the university? No Students of the university? No Are "they" people? Yes An organization? No Several organizations? No Are "they" journalists? No | ||
| Adryghi (Adryghi)
New member Username: Adryghi Post Number: 12 Registered: 1-2008 |
Did "they" have something to gain from the organization not doing its job? Did "they" have something to gain from the organization, when/if it was doing its job? Did "they" have any interest in the organization? Or "they" were just observing its activity? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 605 Registered: 5-2007 |
Did "they" have something to gain from the organization not doing its job? Noish Did "they" have something to gain from the organization, when/if it was doing its job? Yesish Did "they" have any interest in the organization? Yes Or "they" were just observing its activity? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2007 |
"It" = the university? A particular department? The IT department (no pun intended)? Are "they" just the general public? Does the institution provide a particular service (besides the obvious education system)? If so, does it provide it exclusively to "them"? Academic publications relevant? Peer review? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 609 Registered: 5-2007 |
"It" = the university? A particular department? The IT department (no pun intended)? Yes Are "they" just the general public? No Does the institution provide a particular service (besides the obvious education system)? Yesish If so, does it provide it exclusively to "them"? Not exclusively BLOOPER: The statement that "his organization" and "they" were the same may have been misleading. The thing that was praised was the IT department specifically, while the thing that "wasn't doing its job" was the university as a whole. Also, "he" was a professor, not an IT worker, but this should not be relevant to the puzzle. Academic publications relevant? No Peer review? No | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2007 |
Does the department run web servers for the university? Mail servers? Other servers? Other computers? Relevant? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 612 Registered: 5-2007 |
Does the department run web servers for the university? This one Mail servers? Other servers? Other computers? Relevant? Yes | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2007 |
Had he tried to modify some web pages? Upload new web pages? Did the praise involve the old version of the pages, and thus he realised that the new version was not online? A shot in the dark, I know. More to the point, when you say that the university was not doing its job, are you referring to its educational duties? To the "particular service" (in lack of a better word) mentioned above? Does the "particular service" involve...
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| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 614 Registered: 5-2007 |
Had he tried to modify some web pages? Upload new web pages? Did the praise involve the old version of the pages, and thus he realised that the new version was not online? A shot in the dark, I know. No More to the point, when you say that the university was not doing its job, are you referring to its educational duties? Yes To the "particular service" (in lack of a better word) mentioned above? No. This answer may have been slightly confusing - the "particular service" was the web site. Recap: Someone (not a student, faculty, or employee) praised a university's web site, and because of this, he (a university professor) knew that the university wasn't fulfilling its educational mission. | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 24 Registered: 12-2007 |
Is the content of the praise relevant? Did the praise concern a particular aspect of his website? A particular page? Some part of the content? Are "they" politicians? Do "they" fund the university? Do "they" belong to the industry? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 619 Registered: 5-2007 |
Is the content of the praise relevant? Yes Did the praise concern a particular aspect of his website? Yes A particular page? No Some part of the content? Yes Are "they" politicians? No Do "they" fund the university? Yesish Do "they" belong to the industry? No | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 25 Registered: 12-2007 |
Looks like it's just you and me here, Alex... Did the praise concern: the "news" section? announcement of vacancies? the personal homepage of one of the staff members? the homepage of one of the departments? The IT department? the "research" section? pages dedicated to students? to future students? the library homepage? If none of the above, does the page contain information about the university? faculty? other employees? students? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 620 Registered: 5-2007 |
the "news" section? Yes, for svv of "news" announcement of vacancies? the personal homepage of one of the staff members? the homepage of one of the departments? The IT department? the "research" section? pages dedicated to students? Not really "dedicated to students", but students were intended to be the primary beneficiaries of this information to future students? the library homepage? No to all others If none of the above, does the page contain information about the university? Yope faculty? No other employees? No students? No | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 26 Registered: 12-2007 |
What does "svv" mean? Exam results? Grades? Courses? A student portal? Some other form of communication/announcement? Did the page contain information provided by the university? By any of its departments? Only some? Only one? By the administration? By another university? By someone outside the academia? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 622 Registered: 5-2007 |
What does "svv" mean? Sufficiently vague values - in this case, it's "news" as in information aboug current happenings - but not the kind of "news" like you would find in the newspaper Exam results? Grades? Courses? A student portal? Some other form of communication/announcement? Did the page contain information provided by the university? By any of its departments? Only some? Only one? By the administration? By another university? By someone outside academia? These are hard questions to nswer, so it might be easier to just give away this part. The relevant information was a schedule of "upcoming events" at the university - like guest lectures or demonstrations that students could go to. | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 30 Registered: 12-2007 |
So, did they praise a particular upcoming event that was listed on the page? A lecture? A demonstration? Subject relevant? Was the page praised by the same people that were going to give the lecture/demonstration? Or did the praise concern the arrangement of the page, or some of its overall characteristics? Do we need to find more about who "they" are? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 623 Registered: 5-2007 |
So, did they praise a particular upcoming event that was listed on the page? A lecture? A demonstration? Subject relevant? Was the page praised by the same people that were going to give the lecture/demonstration? None of the above Or did the praise concern the arrangement of the page, or some of its overall characteristics? Just that the information was particularly complete Do we need to find more about who "they" are? Yes | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 37 Registered: 12-2007 |
Ok. I wonder what "they" have in common. Do "they" all do the same profession? Are they employees of the university? Of another university or educational institute? Is it relevant how many "they" are? 2? 3? 4? 5? 6-10? 11+? Do they have anything to do with... Artistic / musical / writer? Banking / financial / real estate? Clerical / Administrative? Computer related / Hardware ? Construction / Craftsman ? Education / Academic Research (this one is probably obvious)? Entertainment / Media ? Executive / Management ? Hospitality / Travel ? Legal Services ? Manufacturing / Distributions ? Medical / Health Services ? Politics / Government / Military ? Security / Law Enforcement? Sales / Marketing ? Technical / Science / Engineering ? Teaching / Child care? Transportation /Livery / Trucking ? Food Service ? Sports? Entertainment? Jailbird / Criminal? Religion? Other? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 625 Registered: 5-2007 |
Ok. I wonder what "they" have in common. Do "they" all do the same profession? No Are they employees of the university? No Of another university or educational institute? No Is it relevant how many "they" are? <b>See next answer</b?>There was one person that made a specific comment, but there were probably many others (in the same group of people) that felt a similar way. The more people who felt that way, the more it would prove the university wasn't doing its job. Do they have anything to do with... Education / Academic Research (this one is probably obvious)? Yes, but only indirectly. No to all others. | ||
| Noname (Noname)
New member Username: Noname Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2008 |
Amm, an extra effort put in by the univ folks (as a workaround) eg. a lot of paperwork or something - coz IT didnt work good enough to make it simpler? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 629 Registered: 5-2007 |
Amm, an extra effort put in by the univ folks (as a workaround) eg. a lot of paperwork or something - coz IT didnt work good enough to make it simpler? No. Remember they were praising the IT department, in particular the quality of the web site. | ||
| Noname (Noname)
New member Username: Noname Post Number: 4 Registered: 1-2008 |
try#2 - the website is hosting a schedule to hold special classes/lectures for extra-weak students? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 630 Registered: 5-2007 |
try#2 - the website is hosting a schedule to hold special classes/lectures for extra-weak students? No | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 1243 Registered: 9-2003 |
was there info on the web site that is relevant? that should have been available from somewhere else? if so is it something about classes? a map? special event? cafeteria? info on teacher(s)? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 632 Registered: 5-2007 |
was there info on the web site that is relevant? Just that it was about upcoming events that should have been available from somewhere else? if so is it something about classes? a map? special event? cafeteria? info on teacher(s)? No HINT: Start by figuring out who "they" were. | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 103 Registered: 12-2007 |
Are they men? Women? Both? Children? Youngsters? Adults? Elderly people? A mixture of some of these groups (please insert all possible combinations here)? Do they all do the same job? Is it reasonable to assume that they all live in the same country? The same city? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 633 Registered: 5-2007 |
Are they men? Women? Both? Yes Children? Youngsters? Adults? Yes Elderly people? Possibly but less likely A mixture of some of these groups (please insert all possible combinations here)? Do they all do the same job? No Is it reasonable to assume that they all live in the same country? Yes The same city? No | ||
| Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab Post Number: 1632 Registered: 2-2005 |
Are "they" connected by virtue of an opinion? a political view? an ability? a hobby? Was the praise directed at the design of the website? the url of the website? the user-interface of the website? the specific content of the website? (i.e., they were praising a particular item on the calendar of events?) Was the praise along the lines of "ur site is so ez 2 use!i luvit!!!!!!111111111" | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 659 Registered: 5-2007 |
Are "they" connected by virtue of an opinion? a political view? an ability? a hobby? None of the above HINT: In order to speed this along since the puzzle seems to have close to dried up, I will just give you this one: "they" are parents of students. Was the praise directed at the design of the website? the url of the website? the user-interface of the website? the specific content of the website? (i.e., they were praising a particular item on the calendar of events?) It isn't important really which specific aspects, just that the information was particularly complete and easy to access. Was the praise along the lines of "ur site is so ez 2 use!i luvit!!!!!!111111111" No text messaging involved here | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 1288 Registered: 9-2003 |
was the info correct? did the parents misunderstand it? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 662 Registered: 5-2007 |
was the info correct? Yes did the parents misunderstand it? No | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 1291 Registered: 9-2003 |
did it ask parents to do something? students? did it ask for a specific means of contacting them? are emails involved? phones? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 663 Registered: 5-2007 |
did it ask parents to do something? students? did it ask for a specific means of contacting them? are emails involved? phones? No to all | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 603 Registered: 10-2004 |
Was the method which this parent or group of parents used in praising relevent? Did they suggest anything? Was a method of accessing their page relevent? i.e (say University of Melbourne) "My son was saying how easy your page is to use! You just have to type 'melbin uni' into the Google toolbar and click the top link twice. It's so intuitive!" | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 665 Registered: 5-2007 |
Was the method which this parent or group of parents used in praising relevent? Not sure what you mean - the mode of communication (email, phone, in person etc.) was not relevant but the specific thing they said was Did they suggest anything? Not "suggest" as in "you should do such-and-such" but definitely "suggest" as in inadvertently revealing additional relevant information Was a method of accessing their page relevent? i.e (say University of Melbourne) "My son was saying how easy your page is to use! You just have to type 'melbin uni' into the Google toolbar and click the top link twice. It's so intuitive!" No | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 10 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was something illegal and/or unintentional involved? ie, "Wow, we can download music and movies for free through your server! I thought that was illegal!" Was the fault human or mechanical? Artificial or natural? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 11 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the information the parents were getting confidential? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 672 Registered: 5-2007 |
Was something illegal and/or unintentional involved? ie, "Wow, we can download music and movies for free through your server! I thought that was illegal!" There was nothing illegal involved, but the parents were using the information in a way the school didn't anticipate. Was the fault human or mechanical? Human Artificial or natural? Well, it was something that the parents were doing voluntarily, although whether to call it "artificial" or "natural" would be a matter of much debate Was the information the parents were getting confidential? No | ||
| Mawy (Mawy)
New member Username: Mawy Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2008 |
were the parents gaining any information about their children form the web site? about the teachers? | ||
| Travis (Travis)
New member Username: Travis Post Number: 26 Registered: 12-2007 |
From Alex's earlier posts: "The relevant information was a schedule of "upcoming events" at the university - like guest lectures or demonstrations that students could go to." "There was nothing illegal involved, but the parents were using the information in a way the school didn't anticipate." Were they getting information about upcoming speakers and then organizing protests or otherwise boycotting the speakers? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 678 Registered: 5-2007 |
were the parents gaining any information about their children form the web site? No about the teachers? No Were they getting information about upcoming speakers and then organizing protests or otherwise boycotting the speakers? No | ||
| Antesse (Antesse)
New member Username: Antesse Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2008 |
Did the lineup of events suggest something about the university? Such as the literature department offering only events hosted by pop singers? Or such as the science department hosting events like "Blow Stuff Up"? Perhaps a lineup of events that was not representative of the school as a whole? Like a lot of events from one demographic when the school is diversified? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 711 Registered: 5-2007 |
Did the lineup of events suggest something about the university? Such as the literature department offering only events hosted by pop singers? Or such as the science department hosting events like "Blow Stuff Up"? Perhaps a lineup of events that was not representative of the school as a whole? Like a lot of events from one demographic when the school is diversified? No to all. HINT: Figure out why the parents were looking at the web page to begin with. | ||
| Antesse (Antesse)
New member Username: Antesse Post Number: 3 Registered: 4-2008 |
Was there already an existing controversy at the university? Was it the beginning of the year? Was something mailed out to parents announcing a new website? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1144 Registered: 11-2003 |
Were the parents looking for some spesific piece of information? if so, about the location of university? the curriculum? extra-curricular activities? fascilities for students? security arrangements? something else? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 715 Registered: 5-2007 |
Was there already an existing controversy at the university? No Was it the beginning of the year? No Was something mailed out to parents announcing a new website? No Were the parents looking for some spesific piece of information? if so, about the location of university? the curriculum? extra-curricular activities? fascilities for students? security arrangements? something else? The "upcoming events", See below RECAP AND HINT: The parents were looking at the "upcoming events" section of the website. They also told the professor that they did this, and what they did with the information. Because of this, the professor knew that the university wasn't succeeding in its educational mission. Still to determine: 1. What were the parents doing with the information they were getting on the web site? 2. How does this reflect badly on the university as a whole? | ||
| Antesse (Antesse)
New member Username: Antesse Post Number: 6 Registered: 4-2008 |
Were the parents looking at the events and wanting to attend them themselves? Which meant the events were desired by "common" people? Which the (stuffy) professor saw as a failure of higher education? Did all of the professors feel the same way? Or would feel the same way? Was the professor organizing/sponsoring any of these events? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 716 Registered: 5-2007 |
Were the parents looking at the events and wanting to attend them themselves? No Which meant the events were desired by "common" people? Irrelevant Which the (stuffy) professor saw as a failure of higher education? No Did all of the professors feel the same way? I don't know, but it's possible Or would feel the same way? See previous answer Was the professor organizing/sponsoring any of these events? Irrelevant | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1151 Registered: 11-2003 |
A spesific type of events relevant? would the events be related to attract new students? or are they events arranged by the students that are there already? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 718 Registered: 5-2007 |
A specific type of events relevant? No would the events be related to attract new students? No or are they events arranged by the students that are there already? Irrelevant | ||
| Deep_embrace (Deep_embrace)
New member Username: Deep_embrace Post Number: 19 Registered: 4-2008 |
Did the parents spread the word about these events? Did the professor deduce that others couldn't find the information and therefore relied on the parents to obtain it? Wait, let's step back. Did the parents deal with the information in a positive way? Negative? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 719 Registered: 5-2007 |
Did the parents spread the word about these events? Yesish Did the professor deduce that others couldn't find the information and therefore relied on the parents to obtain it? Yope, explore Wait, let's step back. Did the parents deal with the information in a positive way? Negative? Depends on your definition of "positive" and "negative". Clearly the professor in question thought it was negative. The parents, however, would certainly consider it positive. Suffice it to say they were not criticizing, protesting, or disrupting the events, or anything like that. | ||
| Antesse (Antesse)
New member Username: Antesse Post Number: 7 Registered: 4-2008 |
Did the parents spread the word to other parents? Friends? Their own children (meaning the students)? Did the parents say "I'll have to tell my son about this event" or something like that? And the fact that the son did not already know the events upset the professor? Could the students access the website? Could they read the website? Did they read the website? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 721 Registered: 5-2007 |
Did the parents spread the word to other parents? Friends? Their own children (meaning the students)? Yes Did the parents say "I'll have to tell my son about this event" or something like that? Yes And the fact that the son did not already know the events upset the professor? Yes Could the students access the website? Yes Could they read the website? No Did they read the website? No SPOILER: This comes from the book "Excellence Without a Soul", by Harry Lewis of Harvard University. Lewis reports that when talking to a group of parents, one parent said that he "didn't understand what everyone else was complaining about" because "I like how everything's online so I can see it from my office in California. That way every day I can email my son a list of events he can attend in the hours between his classes." Lewis was upset that Harvard students were still dependent on their parents in this way. |
