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Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 9:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When Emeline said, "I grew up in California," I started to dislike her, although she had never claimed to have grown up elsewhere & I have nothing against Californians--really. How come??
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Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 9:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had she actually grown up in California?
Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 9:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

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Had she actually grown up in California? yes
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Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 10:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she mean the statement as some form of bragging?

Was she proud she grew up in California?

Did the speaker (Calling himself "I") grow up in California?
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Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 10:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

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Did she mean the statement as some form of bragging? no

Was she proud she grew up in California? no

Did the speaker (Calling himself "I") grow up in California? yes
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Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 11:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant where you grew up?
Did the California comment follow on from a relevant conversation? Had a relevant comment been made in the past? By you? By Emeline? By someone else?
Would you have disliked her if she had said another state? Is there a specific aspect of California that is relevant?

Was she suggesting that growing up in CA made her different than others? Superior? Inferior?
Was she offering a sort of reasoning or excuse for something about her, eg "You're very...", "Well, I grew up in California you see"

Is it relevant where she lives now? Where this conversation took place?

Did you dislike her because she seemed rude? Snobbish? Overly complaining? Prejudiced? Did she expect you to feel sorry for her?

Did she make it seem like growing up in CA was a bad thing? That she hadn't liked it? Was ashamed of it?
Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 11:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 11:06 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Is it relevant where you grew up? no
Did the California comment follow on from a relevant conversation?no Had a relevant comment been made in the past? no By you? By Emeline? By someone else?
Would you have disliked her if she had said another state? yes Is there a specific aspect of California that is relevant? any state would do

Was she suggesting that growing up in CA made her different than others? no Superior? no Inferior? no
Was she offering a sort of reasoning or excuse for something about her, eg "You're very...", "Well, I grew up in California you see" no

Is it relevant where she lives now? no Where this conversation took place? no

Did you dislike her because she seemed rude? no Snobbish? yes Overly complaining? no--I LOVE complainers!! Prejudiced? yesish Did she expect you to feel sorry for her? no

Did she make it seem like growing up in CA was a bad thing? yesish That she hadn't liked it? no Was ashamed of it? yesish
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Posted on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 11:08 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the tone of voice in which she said it relevant? If you had seen that she had written the words down, would you still have disliked her?
Is it relevant that she said "I grew up in California", rather than "I come from California" or "I used to live in California"?

Had you met Emeline before this? Relevant? Did you know anything relevant about her that contributed to your dislike? About her family? Her upbringing?
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Was she acting like a stereotype about California of which you disapprove? A "she's making us look bad" sort of thing?
Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 11:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

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Is the tone of voice in which she said it relevant? yope If you had seen that she had written the words down, would you still have disliked her? yes
Is it relevant that she said "I grew up in California", rather than "I come from California" yesish or "I used to live in California"? yes

Had you met Emeline before this? es Relevant? Did you know anything relevant about her that contributed to your dislike?yes About her family? no Her upbringing? no
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Was she acting like a stereotype about California of which you disapprove? no A "she's making us look bad" sort of thing? no
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Posted on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 11:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was shw using the statement as an excuse?
Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 4:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

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Posted on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 11:42 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Was shw using the statement as an excuse? no
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
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Posted on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 9:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Emeline H?A?F?
Is she a child?
Is she particularly mature?

About the statement:
Did you dislike the implication that she "grew up"?
Did you dislike how she phrased the statement?
Did you dislike her tone of voice?
Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 10:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
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Is Emeline H? yesA? yesF? yes but irrel
Is she a child? no
Is she particularly mature? no

About the statement:
Did you dislike the implication that she "grew up"? no
Did you dislike how she phrased the statement? no
Did you dislike her tone of voice? yope
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 4:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she a grammar nazi? Had she corrected you for improper use of words before? And now she was saying something improperly?
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Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 11:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she say it in a particular accent? A non-Californian accent, perhaps? Say, an East Coast accent that struck you as affected? An accent that suggested she had turned her back on her Californian roots?
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Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 6:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You were angry at her because the entonation or the context would make people think negatively about californians (something like: I grew up in California, so I'm stupid)... and you, as a californian, were offended.
Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 9:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

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Was she a grammar nazi? No. I'm all for grammar Nazis & I AM one!! Had she corrected you for improper use of words before? no And now she was saying something improperly? no
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Did she say it in a particular accent? yes A non-Californian accent, perhaps? yes Say, an East Coast accent that struck you as affected? see below An accent that suggested she had turned her back on her Californian roots? see below
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Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 6:30 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
You were angry at her because the entonation or the context would make people think negatively about californians (something like: I grew up in California, so I'm stupid)... and you, as a californian, were offended. No--& I'm not a Californian.

****SPOILER*****************
Emeline has an Oxford accent, which is fine...if you're from Oxfoirds. But it's revoltingly affected if you're from California, so when I learned that she was, I disliked her. This has nothing to do with turning your back on your "roots"; I think roots are for potatoes & have zero interest in mine. But I despise people who think roots matter so much that they fake upper-class accents. (I sound as though I grew up in Brooklyn, because I did.) All my puzzles lately seem to be either very easy or very hard--unfortunately, this was one of the former. Which will my new one be? Check it out & see!

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